Quantum Entanglement
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Whatever woo is. Science mostly deals with the material tangible stuff. It has no way to deal with the intangible or spiritual stuff. It seem ludicrous to me for any scientist to even comment on stuff they have no way of knowing about because their "discipline" has geared their minds into a "physical" box. I have studied metaphysics for forty years.You can poo poo it all you want and it makes no difference because you don't know anything about it.
Tangible? There is nothing tangible to you or I about the quantization of particles, yet science can study it. The box that science is in is not a physical box, it's a box that outlines how you test hypotheses. I'm not poo pooing anything, as I said to beaver already I don't know is a perfectly fine answer.
Is that "metaphysics" something like turning straw into gold? When you get that part fine tuned, let me know. :smile:
This coincidence you describe here Karrie seems to run in my family, but usually
only in the females in a direct blood-line from my Mother. The one exception was
one of my Nephews when he was young, but that seems to have passed before
he hit puberty.
It was strongest between my Mother and my oldest Brother. My mother would know
when he was hurt, and would have the same pain....and this would happen from
motorcycle accidents to other happenings.
When that Brother was very young, he was very ill, and had to be in a tent with a
humidifier. At that time my Mom was in an ugly relationship with a guy who was
away for weeks or months at a time, living on a farm, with no phone, etc...and that
humidifier got tipped over, scalding my Brother. That was where my Mother thought
it all started.
Back in the very early '80's, my Mother woke in the night with horrible pain in her
hand. She knew that Dan was hurt. She tried phoning him at home and work, and
had my Father massaging her hand for hours...
Turns out my Brother was working alone in a shop out in the Industrial area on a
Semi, and the engine turned over, trapping his hand between a belt and a pulley,
with his feet dangling off the floor. Shortly after this happened, the phone in that
shop started ringing, but he couldn't reach it.
It took him hours to saw through that belt with a screwdriver (He has carried a knife
on his belt everyday since). Once he was freed, and called my Mother, her hand
stopped aching. This is just one example of many....
It seems to me that Carl Jung's concept of synchronicity applies well to this discussion.
Synchronicity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Synchronicity is the experience of two or more events, that are apparently causally unrelated or unlikely to occur together by chance, that are observed to occur together in a meaningful manner. The concept of synchronicity was first described by Swiss psychologist Carl Gustav Jung in the 1920s.[1]
The concept does not question, or compete with, the notion of causality. Instead, it maintains that just as events may be grouped by cause, they may also be grouped by their meaning. Since meaning is a complex mental construction, subject to conscious and subconscious influence, not every correlation in the grouping of events by meaning needs to have an explanation in terms of cause and effect.
I'm sure most of us will admit to experiencing synchronicity at least a few times in our lives.
I'm a piano teacher and 2 days ago I was listing to one of my talented 14 year old student playing a Chopin piece we had worked on together. It suddenly dawned on me that she would probably play Debussy's ''Clair de Lune'' really well. When she finished playing I told her we should start working on a new piece but before suggesting ''Claire de Lune'' I asked her if there was any piece she wanted to play. She then told me that her cousin had given her the score to a piece called ''Clair de Lune'' and that she had started working on it at home... She then proceeded to playing the part she had learned while I was just sitting there, dumbfounded by the coincidence and by how naturally she played it for her age.
YouTube - CLAUDE DEBUSSY: CLAIRE DE LUNE
When you think of it, there's nothing very spectacular about this. ''Clair de Lune'' is a fairly popular piece. But the point here is that the coincidence was very meaningful to me and to her. It all just felt so right.
The fact that two causally unrelated events can be connected by meaning can ironically appear as meaningless to the materialist skeptics because to them, the concept of causality has precedence over the concept of meaning, which is ''merely'' a creation of our minds... They'll say that a coincidence is all it is, refusing to see in it any demonstration of a universe permeated with meaning. This demonstrates their belief that only a human mind has the necessary depth and complexity necessary for ''meaningfulness'' to exist, revealing their own hubris. As if only human life had ''meaning''! It seems to me that they are disconnecting themselves from the Cosmos from which they are born, failing to see that the meaning that permeates our mind is caused by the Cosmos itself.
Synchronicity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Synchronicity is the experience of two or more events, that are apparently causally unrelated or unlikely to occur together by chance, that are observed to occur together in a meaningful manner. The concept of synchronicity was first described by Swiss psychologist Carl Gustav Jung in the 1920s.[1]
The concept does not question, or compete with, the notion of causality. Instead, it maintains that just as events may be grouped by cause, they may also be grouped by their meaning. Since meaning is a complex mental construction, subject to conscious and subconscious influence, not every correlation in the grouping of events by meaning needs to have an explanation in terms of cause and effect.
I'm sure most of us will admit to experiencing synchronicity at least a few times in our lives.
I'm a piano teacher and 2 days ago I was listing to one of my talented 14 year old student playing a Chopin piece we had worked on together. It suddenly dawned on me that she would probably play Debussy's ''Clair de Lune'' really well. When she finished playing I told her we should start working on a new piece but before suggesting ''Claire de Lune'' I asked her if there was any piece she wanted to play. She then told me that her cousin had given her the score to a piece called ''Clair de Lune'' and that she had started working on it at home... She then proceeded to playing the part she had learned while I was just sitting there, dumbfounded by the coincidence and by how naturally she played it for her age.
YouTube - CLAUDE DEBUSSY: CLAIRE DE LUNE
When you think of it, there's nothing very spectacular about this. ''Clair de Lune'' is a fairly popular piece. But the point here is that the coincidence was very meaningful to me and to her. It all just felt so right.
The fact that two causally unrelated events can be connected by meaning can ironically appear as meaningless to the materialist skeptics because to them, the concept of causality has precedence over the concept of meaning, which is ''merely'' a creation of our minds... They'll say that a coincidence is all it is, refusing to see in it any demonstration of a universe permeated with meaning. This demonstrates their belief that only a human mind has the necessary depth and complexity necessary for ''meaningfulness'' to exist, revealing their own hubris. As if only human life had ''meaning''! It seems to me that they are disconnecting themselves from the Cosmos from which they are born, failing to see that the meaning that permeates our mind is caused by the Cosmos itself.
"This demonstrates their belief that only a human mind has the necessary depth and complexity necessary for ''meaningfulness'' to exist, revealing their own hubris. As if only human life had ''meaning''!"
Somehow connected with the notion of human dominion over all and a great fear.
Somehow connected with the notion of human dominion over all and a great fear.
My Aunt died of cancer in 1977 and her ashes were sent to North Bay to be buried near her sons. A year later, my uncle was driving through North Bay and it occurred to him that he hadn't been to her grave site yet. Being in a hurry, he decided that he would stop on his way back though. Something kept telling him though, that he had you stop "now". He fought it until he was 1/2 hour passed North Bay when the need to turn the car around became too much for him.
He wandered around the graveyard for a while, trying to find her and, giving up, he headed for the car. He happened to meet a worker and asked how he could find her plot. The worker started apologizing to my uncle. It seems my aunt's ashes were misplaced for a year and the worker was, at that particular moment, going out to bury them. My Uncle helped the worker bury his sister and he never told this story to anybody until 2003.
ESP? Coincidence? Was she talking to him from beyond? Quantum entanglements?
He wandered around the graveyard for a while, trying to find her and, giving up, he headed for the car. He happened to meet a worker and asked how he could find her plot. The worker started apologizing to my uncle. It seems my aunt's ashes were misplaced for a year and the worker was, at that particular moment, going out to bury them. My Uncle helped the worker bury his sister and he never told this story to anybody until 2003.
ESP? Coincidence? Was she talking to him from beyond? Quantum entanglements?
I think there are just too many of these types of events for it to be coincidence. I can think of a couple right off the top of my head.
I'm of the school of thought that there is no such thing as coincidence. Everything is cause and effect, that we are interconnected and interdependent - all life, not just human. That life on this planet is a continuum and springs forth from the life force of the planet - the biosphere is one living mass or being and we are but one small part of that life force.
You are talking about alchemy not metaphysics. Metaphysics is about the unseen or spiritual aspects of life.
Sounds as good as anyone else's theory.
"You are talking about alchemy not metaphysics. Metaphysics is about the unseen or spiritual aspects of life"
Well, you may as well let us in on your alchemy skills. :smile:
Most would agree with me, and I hope you're not taking that damnfool film What the Bleep Do We Know seriously, it's a terrible mash of misrepresentations and quote mining. My point was that there's nothing in the theory or the data that points to such a claim, there's no evidence for it at all, it's simply speculation unsupported by anything in the science. The science itself quite clearly indicates that quantum entanglement cannot be used to transmit information, so if there are telepathic events happening, it's not the explanation. Roger Penrose in his book The Road to Reality deals with quantum entanglement at some length, and appears to argue (if I've understood it correctly) that if it scaled up then solid objects would collapse into their constituent quantum particles and disappear. And actually it's a bit of a mystery why it DOESN'T scale up.
I agree completely.
We can't possibly fathom how far science can and will redefine our understanding of absolutely everything. The most dangerous enemy to that process is a closed mind. Until proven otherwise, anything is possible. Anything. And anything we can possibly imagine should never be taken off the table until it's proven - irrefutably - that it's not possible. And even then, it might be better to put it into a " we can't prove it yet" category.
We're built to quest, and in the spirit of that questing nature, all sorts of unlikely schools of thought have been explored with unexpected and amazing results. Yet the tools we use to measure 'truth' or understand the 'facts' are only as evolved as our understanding is.
Perhaps we ought to be looking at how our understanding of "science" might be re-defined - to make room for the exponential growth, new schools of thought, tangents of possibility that each new discovery coaxes into the light - because the more we learn, the more we realize how much more there is to learn.
Ooops, Sorry to derail your topic Karrie. I`m truly intrigued by this whole subject - my gut tells me there`s more to it than meets the eye - and in MY world, my gut is a scientifically reliable method of measuring accuracy of many many things.
Zan. You may have brought things back on topic.
I have had two incidence of this nature. Both times I had a physiological response to an unknown stimuli. One was the death of my Memere [Gramma], The other a car accident my wife was in. Both were unexpected. I'm still waiting for science but I'm sure it will come through eventually.
I have had two incidence of this nature. Both times I had a physiological response to an unknown stimuli. One was the death of my Memere [Gramma], The other a car accident my wife was in. Both were unexpected. I'm still waiting for science but I'm sure it will come through eventually.
Well reality is a subjective commodity not an objective one, in my reality. I know we live in the Matrix - a computer like program that appears to be real. To me, science focuses on what seems to be material reality, which is its greatest short fall. For thousands of generations we have passed on a bunch of misconceptions about our nature and the nature of reality to our children who do the same in their turn. We create our reality based on our beliefs about it, which, to me, are false.
Our brains are super computers and they have been programmed since birth by well intentioned but misguided caretakers and peers. When we break everything down to it very basic foundations, we are left with only pure energy. The more powerful our microscopes, the less we see matter and the more we see just movement. I don't believe we have seen quarks, just an indication that because of their movement, they may be material objects. We have theories about them, but we have no way to perceive them as real, just speculation.
From my perspective, science is left in the dust because of its limited focus. In fact, in my reality, we are spiritual beings (energy beings) who once experimented with physical reality and got so enchanted by it that we forgot what we really are. In other words, we got stuck in physical reality and are now in the process of trying to find our way home. Sometimes I find science a hindrance to that process because of its limited scope of perception.
But that's just me. I may have tripped the light fantastic a few times too often, or.....
You stop believing in something, anything, when you die. Reality is what you believe it is.