Prisoner trade by Obama: Malevolent or just Stupid?

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there's no question that Ronnie left quite a legacy:













he even called them the "moral equivalent of our Founding Fathers"
 

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Well here in my take on the 5 terrorist released.. Obama is pretty good with the drones.. he certainly can't drone these guys while they are sitting in Guantanamo..

Now he can.. ;)

Make an example out of them for future detainees.

 

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I wonder if the uproar over the Bergdahl exchange was anticipated by Obama?

Naw...he is simply too ****ing stupid when it comes to anything outside his own privileged little world.

He sees desertion as about as serious as cutting class in university.

He simply doesn't get it.
 

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Taliban Video Shows Handover Of US Soldier Bowe Bergdahl Full Video HD

Taliban Video Shows Handover Of US Soldier Bowe Bergdahl Full Video HD - YouTube

Meet the 6 heroes that died trying to save Bowe Bergdahl

When Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl went missing in 2009, his brothers in uniform went to try and find him.

In the days since he was released in a prisoner exchange involving 5 Taliban leaders being held in Guantanamo Bay, accusations that Bergdahl was intentionally going AWOL when he disappeared and may have been aiding the enemy have flown across the world.

But what of those searches to retrieve him? What of the 6 men who died in an effort to ensure that Bowe Bergdahl could live?

Pfc. Matthew M. Martinek


Pfc. Martinek died in September of 2009 looking for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl. Friends and family describe Martinek as a fun loving guy who loved the outdoors and loved being in the United States Army. At just 20-years-old, Martinek died of injuries sustained in the Paktika province.

“If you were in a bad mood, he always did something to cheer you up y’know, one of those clowns,” a friend told the Associated Press.

2nd Lt. Darryn D. Andrews


Second Lieutenant Andrews died in September 2009 trying to save Bowe Bergdahl. With a father and uncle who served in the Armed Forces, Andrews knew the possibility of death overseas was a real possibility. Following his first tour in Afghanistan, Andrews went back to college and left as an officer. Even though he could have spent his second tour away from enemy fire on a military base, Andrews made sure he was always standing shoulder to shoulder with his brothers in arms.

Andrews sustained a direct hit from a rocket propelled grenade after seeing a Taliban fighter aiming the weapon at members of his unit.

Pfc. Morris L. Walker


Pfc. Walker was killed August 2009 trying to save Bowe Bergdahl. A University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill graduate, Walker was an avid basketball player and involved in student government in college. Teachers described Walker as a well adjusted young man who was far more responsible and mature for his age than his adolescent peers.

“He didn’t have to be a star of anything,” his guidance counselor told the Associated Press.

“He just wanted to be a participant.”

Staff Sgt. Michael C. Murphrey


SSG Murphrey died in September 2009 trying to save Bowe Bergdahl. When friends and family mourned the loss of SSG Murphrey, they remembered a man who put service and family above just about everything in life. The married father of two and Texas native was remembered fondly in a YouTube tribute video following his death.

IN MEMORY OF SGT MICHAEL C. MURPHREY - YouTube

Staff Sgt. Clayton Bowen


SSG Bowen died in August 2009 trying to save Bowe Bergdahl. The Texas native joined the Army at just 17-years-old. The avid singer and former drill sergeant was just one month away from the end of his service and 30th birthday when he died. His mother remembered him fondly in the Military Times.

“Clay called me around midnight to tell me I wouldn’t hear from him for a few days,” she said. As she later learned, “the mission was to travel to the voting precincts so the Afghans could vote in the presidential election. His humvee hit an IED on the way.”

Staff Sgt. Kurt R. Curtiss


SSG Curtiss died in August 2009 trying to save Bowe Bergdahl. The married father of two was in the midst of his third tour of duty overseas when he died in Afghanistan in late August 2009. His family remembered him as a purposeful man who knew that what he was doing was bigger than the last name on his chest.

“He felt we were in danger and he wanted to do something to help,” his sister told the Associated Press.

Visit Military Times to find out more.
 

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there's no question that Ronnie left quite a legacy:













he even called them the "moral equivalent of our Founding Fathers"


Then the Taliban arrived and defeated much of the original Mujadeen after these people (pictured here) defeated the Soviets.


You Fail.

I wonder if the uproar over the Bergdahl exchange was anticipated by Obama?


Of course not. They do not think through anything. Susan Rice said Bergdahl served with "Honor and Distinction"!

Good Job POTUS!


Freed Taliban Commander Tells Relative He'll Fight Americans Again - NBC News
 

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I wonder if the uproar over the Bergdahl exchange was anticipated by Obama?
Sometimes one has to do what they have to, and not just to score political points. They can't keep everyone locked up there forever, and I'd bet my last dime that they know half of these guys would be found not guilty in a court of law (for a million reasons). Then what?
 

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Fox News media critic Howard Kurtz told Bill O’Reilly on Wednesday that his Islamophobic comments directed at recently rescued American POW Bowe Bergdahl’s father “went too far.”


Various conservatives lashed out at Bowe’s father Bob Bergdahl for apparently looking too much like a Muslim after he and his wife appeared with President Obama when he announced their son’s release.



















 

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Fox News media critic Howard Kurtz told Bill O’Reilly on Wednesday that his Islamophobic comments directed at recently rescued American POW Bowe Bergdahl’s father “went too far.”


Various conservatives lashed out at Bowe’s father Bob Bergdahl for apparently looking too much like a Muslim after he and his wife appeared with President Obama when he announced their son’s release.




















Don't be bloody ridiculous.

It is NOT what he looked like....it is what he said:

“bism allah alrahman alraheem,” which translates from Arabic to English as “in the name of Allah, the merciful, the compassionate.” It is said before every chapter in the Koran except the 9th (the chapter of the sword).

Why Did Robert Bergdahl Stand Next to President Obama and Praise Allah for His Freed POW Son?

I doubt Phil Robertson will be mouthing those words anytime soon.................
 

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Don't be bloody ridiculous.

It is NOT what he looked like....it is what he said:

“bism allah alrahman alraheem,” which translates from Arabic to English as “in the name of Allah, the merciful, the compassionate.” It is said before every chapter in the Koran except the 9th (the chapter of the sword).

Why Did Robert Bergdahl Stand Next to President Obama and Praise Allah for His Freed POW Son?

I doubt Phil Robertson will be mouthing those words anytime soon.................
We should have left Bergdahl because his father said something in Arabic.
 

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We should have left Bergdahl because his father said something in Arabic.

Naw....you should have left Bergdahl because he is a deserter, possibly a traitor, because the money paid will be used to murder Americans, and because at least one of the men released is a war criminal wanted for genocide. and the murders of thousands of Shia Muslims.
 
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Mark Allen, paralyzed in Afghanistan and unable to speak, with his daughter in her graduation gown


.................................The Afghan end of this thing is the nearest to a conventional war there is. A sovereign state was invaded and its government toppled. But the toppled party never quite went away, and they're assuredly going to be part of Afghanistan's post-US future. When Obama says this is how wars end, he's wrong. Wars end either by being won or lost or drawn. Either way, there's generally a written agreement that the war is over, and a prisoner exchange occurs only as part of that agreement. This is true of civil wars, too. In this case, there's no agreement. The Taliban are going to continue fighting until they're back in partial or total control of the Afghan government, and they will kill anyone who stands between them and that end - American, Nato troops, Afghan army... So Obama is replenishing the enemy in time of war. Seen strictly in war terms, there is no deal.
Unless it's not a war. One of the justifications offered for the Bergdahl trade is that his captors were threatening to kill him. So that's not a "prisoner exchange" between lawful combatants but a hostage negotiation with terrorists. Every civilized nation says it will not negotiate with terrorists, but sometimes, whatever their protestations to the contrary, governments wind up doing exactly that. And, when they do, terrorists wind up walking out of their cells as free men. Under the Good Friday Agreement in the Nineties, London and Dublin both agreed to the early release of IRA prisoners from British and Irish gaols. As you might imagine, this stuck in the craw of a lot of people who'd been on the receiving end of the IRA's bombing campaign. Nevertheless, in return for releasing these guys, the United Kingdom got the IRA to sign a peace deal and agree to turning over their weaponry. It has been at times a precarious peace, but it has held, and it has been warmer than one might expect, at least in turns of the personal relationships between the Loyalist and Republican leaders at Stormont. And the bombing has stopped. So yes, there's a few people wandering around Belfast and Derry one might prefer to see hanging from a gibbet, but at least they're not blowing the legs off grannies at bus stops. That's not a small thing. In this case, the Taliban will still be engaging in the Afghan equivalent of granny-bombing - killing and terrorizing their way back to power. So again, in terrorist-negotiation terms, there is no deal.
What of "law enforcement"? That's how many of the senior figures in the Administration and the broader Democrat left see the war: Bush and Rummy and the gang oversold the whole thing; it's basically law enforcement. You catch these guys, you charge them with a crime, and you process them through the same crappy, sclerotic courtrooms I'm currently mired in. Even by this reductive measure, the Bergdahl deal is a flop. In his sloughed-off address at West Point, Obama advanced the bizarre definition of "American exceptionalism" that what makes America exceptional is that it follows "international norms". But in this case he's releasing on to the world stage war criminals accused of war crimes by the "international community", who would like at least two of this guys on trial in the Hague. Mullah Noori, for example, is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Shia Muslims. Meanwhile, a schlub who made the mistake of having dinner at a Boston restaurant with the Tsarnaev brothers is facing 40 years in the slammer. So, even in law-enforcement terms, there is no deal.
That's the point to remember about this debacle: There is no deal. None. Washington gave away five war criminals who are already pledging to get back to killing - and the superpower got nothing in return. The deserter and his kooky dad are merely the cover for the fact that the United States entered into an end-of-war prisoner exchange without ending the war; or an agreement with terrorists without persuading the terrorists to agree to anything; or a criminal-justice suspended sentence without getting the criminals to suspend their criminality.
This is a disgraceful dereliction of duty. The President has always been a remarkable narcissist. Two years ago, he referred on ABC News to "those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf". We didn't know how literally he meant it. But Barack Obama supposedly did his no-deal "deal" because he pledged way back when, six years ago, that he would close Gitmo - and putting himself back in good order with his anti-war base counts for more than his responsibilties as commander-in-chief or the national interests of the United States - or even those "international norms" he claims to be fond of.
~One of those out there "fighting on my behalf" was Mark Allen. His wife Shannon challenges her husband's commander-in-chief:
Meet my husband, injuries directly brought to you by the actions of this traitor. He can't give an account of what went down, because he can no longer speak. Now, which guy is a "hero" again?!? Sick.
Careful, Mrs Allen. Or the court eunuchs of the Obama media will soon be accusing you of "Swiftboating" and your husband of being a "psycho".
Watch that Rose Garden ceremony again and ask yourself Shannon Allen's question: Which guy is the hero? Pace Susan Rice, there are three dishonorable men in that short photo-op: a deserter who broke his oath, a father who sympathizes publicly with the enemy ...and a president lying before the nation, to make them complicit in that dishonor. Mr Obama is unworthy of the men who fight on "his" behalf.

There is No "Deal" :: SteynOnline

Obama is scum
 

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Obama is scum



A t first I thought he was simply an incompetent as a Senator, simply an overrated community organiser.....
But now I think you're right, and he's hell bent on destroying our neighbour to the south and probably us too should we make the mistake of letting Justin get in power here....
 

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Under the Good Friday Agreement in the Nineties, London and Dublin both agreed to the early release of IRA prisoners from British and Irish gaols.
You and Stain are a STITCH!

You really believe that the GFA only freed IRA prisoners.

If it was up to you, Gusty Spence woulda got a medal.


But, let's test your logic. Would it be fair to say that you think a captured soldier's background and the circumstances of his capture should be investigated before there's any negociation for his release? If so, what is your standard? Do we try to get him released if he was a deserter? How 'bout AWOL? How 'bout if he mass-murdered civilians? Fell asleep at his post? Failed an inspection?
 

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You and Stain are a STITCH!

You really believe that the GFA only freed IRA prisoners.

If it was up to you, Gusty Spence woulda got a medal.


But, let's test your logic. Would it be fair to say that you think a captured soldier's background and the circumstances of his capture should be investigated before there's any negociation for his release? If so, what is your standard? Do we try to get him released if he was a deserter? How 'bout AWOL? How 'bout if he mass-murdered civilians? Fell asleep at his post? Failed an inspection?

For a guy that claims to be a lawyer, you seem to have a surprising difficulty with reading comprehension............

The quote does NOT say Protestant extremists were not released.........indeed the agreement set loose some very bad people on both sides, including Michael Stone. Look him up to see how THAT worked out. .

Do yourself a favour, and do not pretend to lecture me on Irish history. I have a friend that was a B Special (look it up), and another that is a professor of history, his PhD from Trinity..........and he's a Catholic. And I have a number of courses of Irish history under my belt.........Believe me, I know more about it that I might wish.....

"The circumstances of his capture" are NOT the issue, his desertion IS the issue.

No, we don't care if they keep him if he is a deserter. We certainly do not release genocidal mass murderers that have a psychotic hatred of our people in trade for him.

Your last paragraph shows exactly how vacuous your "argument" is....desertion is a capital offense (although only one has been executed since the Civil War)......to compare it with "failing an inspection" puts you in danger of being considered as sharing the same moral and intellectual failings as your president.
 

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For a guy that claims to be a lawyer, you seem to have a surprising difficulty with reading comprehension............

The quote does NOT say Protestant extremists were not released.........indeed the agreement set loose some very bad people on both sides, including Michael Stone. Look him up to see how THAT worked out. .

Do yourself a favour, and do not pretend to lecture me on Irish history. I have a friend that was a B Special (look it up),
Special Branch of the RUC. Responsible for Burntollet Bridge, amongst many, many other atrocities. Hardly surprising that you number them among your friends.

and another that is a professor of history, his PhD from Trinity..........and he's a Catholic.
Which proves what, that he's a Republican?

Oh, right. To you it does, just like being a Muslim proves you're a terrorist supporter.

And I have a number of courses of Irish history under my belt.........Believe me, I know more about it that I might wish.....
Wow, yer all edumacated! Mongo impressed!

"The circumstances of his capture" are NOT the issue, his desertion IS the issue.
OK, that being the issue and all, I'm gonna get all lawyerly on ya. Ready?. . .

Prove it.

No, we don't care if they keep him if he is a deserter. We certainly do not release genocidal mass murderers that have a psychotic hatred of our people in trade for him.

Your last paragraph shows exactly how vacuous your "argument" is....desertion is a capital offense (although only one has been executed since the Civil War)......to compare it with "failing an inspection" puts you in danger of being considered as sharing the same moral and intellectual failings as your president.
Your impression that I was comparing it to failing an inspection shows that the fact that I was presenting you with a sheaf of diminishing-severity offences went over your head like a Raptor on afterburner.

Whether the trade was a wise one is a separate issue. We don't need to address that, because you've stated that we shouldn't have recovered Bergdahl. So the price is irrelevant.