Preparations to Attack Iran???
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I kind of meant the software would contain the virus and the transfer/infection would come during the back engineering process. The systems it affect are the same ones that were used to set the drone on failure mode.
Unlike Stuxnet, which targeted specific Siemens SCADA (supervisory control and data acquisition) software and appeared to have been written to sabotage Iran's nuclear program, the new malware installs a backdoor and is designed to gather information, like design documents, that could be used in future attacks, Symantec said.
New data-stealing Trojan could be Stuxnet version 2.0 | InSecurity Complex - CNET News
Much of the world realizes the war started a while ago. How are you doing ES? The attack on Iran is real good bizzness, people have to make a living. The US First Armored Division are fat guys who sit in air conditioned deluxe veehickles playing video games while they listen to death rock. You get picked for armour cuz yer to weak to carry proper swords and yer scared of being outside where beards grow.
Technically the Stuxnet virus was an attack and the covert war has already started.
If the US and Israel are assassinating Iranian nuclear scientists (likely) and as a result also killing innocent bystanders, like family members, or if the explosion at the Iranian rocket testing area was sabotage (possible), then this war has already had lethal consequences. Currently Iran can justify a cyber attack against US and Israeli targets. If they can prove the US or Israel were behind the assassinations, then they can justify reprisal assassinations of Americans and Israeli scientists as well as other people of interest. If Iran can prove the rocket testing area explosion was sabotage, they they can also justify acts of sabotage against the US and Israel too.
If Canada or any other countries assisted the US and Israel in any way then Iran would be justified in taking action against thos countries too.
My point here is that if the US and Israel attack Iran, then Iran is completely justified attacking the US and Israel right back. Mind you if Iran does this openly without any proof that the US and Israel were behind all these mysterious attacks and possible sabotage, then a covert war could easily become an overt war.
BTW, I'm not taking sides in this covert war between the US/Israel and Iran. I'm on Canada's side and my position is that we should stay out of this fight. I support Canada's position regarding Iran so far. I don't support the Harper government's position regarding Israel. They are getting us way too involved in this conflict. Talk of a possible Mutual Defense Pact with Israel doesn't serve Canada's best interests, IMO.
Hey CB, do you have anything to add or is your point just to throw excrement?
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Cool, when did you upload that vid of you to YouTube? Why were you throwing your poop at that little girl? Was she Jewish?
I don't know why you gave me a neg when I said you were hairy.
You already have taken sides. For some reason Iran, Hamas etc. could never do any wrong.
I admit I've taken a side, its just not the one you've assigned to me. I'm on the side of innocent civilians who just want to live in peace. I am against war criminals and people who commit crimes against humanity.
As far as I know Iran doesn't practice ethnic cleansing, nor do they commit war crimes or crimes against humanity. I consider Iran to be oppressive towards religious minorities and women. Iran's criminal justice system is medieval. But from my agnostic viewpoint, the Israeli and Iranian governments aren't that different. They both practice religious based discrimination which I find offensive because I believe in freedom of religion as well as the separation of church and state.
I've condemned Palestinian militant war crimes many times on this forum. For example:
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/99813-osama-bin-laden-dead-6.html#post1420696
Can you reference a single post you've made criticizing Israel's creeping ethnic cleansing, any of their war crimes or crimes against humanity?
You and I both recognize that Palestinians militants commit war crimes when they fire rockets and mortars at civilian targets. However you don't recognize that Israelis commit war crimes when they bomb densely populated urban areas with high explosives or white phosphorous. You don't recognize that Israelis commit crimes against humanity when they interfere with the delivery of humanitarian food and medical aid, or toss families out of their homes and onto the street because they aren't God's chosen people.
I'm going to repost my Orwell quote, because it explains your lack of outrage regarding Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity:
Orwell: Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them, and there is almost no kind of outrage — torture, the use of hostages, forced labour, mass deportations, imprisonment without trial, forgery, assassination, the bombing of civilians — which does not change its moral colour when it is committed by ‘our’ side. . . .
In your last post, you failed to criticize killing scientists along with members of their families, or an act of sabotage which killed 18 people. I'm pretty sure you'd be outraged if Palestinian militants committed the same crimes. So you are proof that Orwell was right. People like yourself can be manipulated to the point where their outrage is based more on who commits the crime rather than the crime itself.
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BRAVO. very well said. It is curious to see how people choose sides and the side they choose can do whatever it wants, kill in elective wars. (remember how Israel treated Arafat with all that bulldozing ?) ....etc etc........when just about every party on the world stage has committed crimes but some live with an entitlement that does not apply to others. How can the same crime be a crime in one nation and not in another??
Now, tell us where the biases lie?? The law applies to everyone. End of story. There is no exceptionalism , except in some over inflated egotistical deluded minds.
Indeed. Particularly if the terrorists are called a coalition. ( group guilt ) Makes one wonder if a dozen years from now we won't be wondering "how we missed the cues of the pending horrors "??
the point is we have NOT missed the cues. But are helpless to do anything to prevent an Iran aggression. Wonder what the Irainans feel , each time they hear the threats to their country. ACTIVE and REAL threats.
War on Iran has already begun. Act before it threatens all of us
Escalation of the covert US-Israeli campaign against Tehran risks a global storm. Opposition has to get more serious
War on Iran has already begun. Act before it threatens all of us | Seumas Milne | Comment is free | The Guardian
The only one here proposing ethnic cleansing and seems to cry wolf about it all the time is you. No one is trying to remove the ethnic Arabs from the face of this Earth. Nobody else brings up the subject so often. Now if your talking about relocation, that is another subject, we (all of us) have been guilty of that since 1492. Who is calling out for Palestinian was criminals to be punished, no one here that I have heard of. As I have mentioned before ethnic cleansing has not been done in the Mid-East since the Mufti ruled in partnership with Hitler. What I find shocking is that everyone knew the role that Islam played in Holocaust, and yet these Muslims went unpunished. We nuked the Japanese, routed the Nazis, decimated the axis of evil -- except the Mufti and his Muslim murderers. Why?
US Confirms Role Of Mufti as the Nazi Middle East Leader September 17, 1945 - Atlas Shrugs
Atlas Shrugs? Are you crazy? That's one of the Websites which inspired the Oslo mass murderer to gun down innocent children. In fact that nutjob was a regular guest blogger for Atlas Shrugs. So you are basically getting your information from a mass murderer who hunted down innocent children or a website which supported that mass murderer's viewpoint.
...Norwegian bloggers are reporting that Breivik is the author of a blog called Fjordman and that he’s guest blogged for Atlas Shrugs, Jihad Watch and Gates of Vienna “for years.” As Breivik, he publicly praised one of her posts. Elise Hendrick has translated a passage from Realisten which confirms that Fjordman and Breivik are one and the same:
Breivik, Rightist Mass Murderer, Hates Muslims, Loves Pam Geller « Tikun Olam-
If you embrace the Islamaphobic trash posted on those hate sites, you too could find yourself gunning down innocent children, just like the Oslo killer.
If you want to know Israel's history, I recommend reading peer reviewed books, papers and articles by various Israeli New Historians. I may not agree with some of their viewpoints/conclusions, but at least those sources can legitimately claim to base their conclusions on empirical evidence. I wouldn't say the New Historians are objective, since every historian has their own slant. But at least you'll actually know Israel's history rather than be manipulated by deceitful hate propaganda.
Benny Morris was one of the first historians to read through the declassified records from the Israeli and British military archives regarding the events surrounding Israel's creation. He discovered that most of what the previous historians wrote about Israel's early history was pure rubbish. Here is what Morris has to say about the Old Historians.
Benny Morris's critique of the Old Historians
- The "Old Historians" lived through 1948 as highly committed adult participants in the epic, glorious rebirth of the Jewish commonwealth. They were unable to separate their lives from this historical event, unable to regard impartially and objectively the facts and processes that they later wrote about.[12]
- The “Old Historians” have written largely on the basis of interviews and memoirs and at best made use of select batches of documents, many of them censored.[12]
- Benny Morris has been critical of the old Historians, describing them, by and large, as not really historians, who did not produce real history: "In reality there were chroniclers and often apologetic",[13] and refers to those who produced it as "less candid", "deceitful" and "misleading".[14]
I'm more of a subscriber to New Jewish Israeli historian Ilan Pappe:
Ilan Pappé - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Regarding demands to punish Palestinian war criminals, that is official Canadian government policy. Canada was the first country declare the democratically elected Palestinian government a terrorist organization and cut aid. I agree with that appraisal of the military wing of Hamas, but not the political/charity wings. However since its difficult to know where the money ends up, I agreed with Canada's decision. I disagree with giving that aid to Israel war criminals and their puppet Palestinian dictator. I support giving Palestinian aid to the various NGO's. I support holding Israeli war criminals to the same standard as we hold Palestinian war criminals. Unlike the Harper government, I don't support war criminals, even the ones who claim God gave them the right to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Can you prove that the following statement was wrong? "As I have mentioned before ethnic cleansing has not been done in the Mid-East since the Mufti ruled in partnership with Hitler. What I find shocking is that everyone knew the role that Islam played in Holocaust, and yet these Muslims went unpunished. We nuked the Japanese, routed the Nazis, decimated the axis of evil -- except the Mufti and his Muslim murderers. Why?*US Confirms Role Of Mufti as the Nazi Middle East Leader September 17, 1945".
No matter the source in this instance it is true.
No matter the source in this instance it is true.
Your deliberately manipulative and deceitful source proves that a big lie can grow from a tiny grain of truth.
The truth is that Haj Mohammed Effendi Amin el-Husseini was a Palestinian Arab nationalist who actively opposed Zionism and British colonialism. The nature of al-Husseini's support for the Axis powers was based on strategy not ideology. Later in his memoirs el-Husseini wrote 'the enemy of your enemy is your friend' to explain his decision to hop in bed with Italian and German Fascists. Not all Palestinians supported El-Husseini. They were even more divided back then they are now. A coalition of Palestinian factions known as the mu'aridun supported compromising with the Zionists. El-Husseini gained power because he was able to procure significant arms, financing and training from Italian and German Fascists. Fascists supported el-Husseini not because he agreed with their ideology, but because an Arab revolt in Palestine would force the British to divert arms and resources to Palestine, away from areas of Fascist interest. During the war, el-Husseini fled Palestine and wound up in Nazi Germany. He was paid about twice the salary of a German Field Marshal to broadcast propaganda to Arab areas under Allied control in order to instigate riots and revolts.
The lie is that your sources portray el-Husseini primarily as supporter of German Nazism (which doesn't make sense when you consider the Nazi German viewpoint regarding inferior races like Arabs) rather than an Arab nationalist willing to accept arms and bribes from anyone to gain power and advance his anti-British, anti-Zionist agenda. They portray el-Husseini as the undisputed leader of Palestinians, rather than just a minor leader of one Palestinian faction among many factions of widely varying viewpoints. ( A heavily armed faction, thanks more to Italian support, than German support). Attempts to use the role played by el-Husseini during WW II to create a perception that Palestinians assisted in the Holocaust are completely ridiculous, considering that few people outside of Europe had a clue about the Holocaust while it was happening and no Jews were ever rounded up for extermination in Palestine. Perceptions weaved by your deceitful sources that Palestinians assisted in any significant way with the extermination of Jews doesn't make any sense considering that Palestine was a major destination for Jews fleeing the horrors of Nazi Europe. Obviously your Islamaphobic hate site gives el-Husseini far more importance than he had or deserves.
Haj Amin al-Husseini - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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More like, ... used the Japanese to perfect fire-bombing cities, hired most of the bad-ass Nazis, lied to the Arabs and bent over for the Jewish bankers.
Downed US Drone in Iran Reveals Broader Covert War
President Barack Obama promised that "No options off the table means I'm considering all options."
Downed US Drone in Iran Reveals Broader Covert War -- News from Antiwar.com
Obama Brags About Bin Laden Killing, Threatens Iran
Comments Appear Aimed At Proving He's as Big a Hawk as Potential 2012 Opponents
by Jason Ditz, December 08, 2011
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In comments that were surprisingly bellicose even for the current political environment, President Obama bragged loudly about the number of people he’s killed today, urging hawks who don’t think he’s hawkish enough to “ask Osama bin Laden and the 22 out of 30 top al-Qaeda leaders who’ve been taken off the field.”
Obama Brags About Bin Laden Killing, Threatens Iran -- News from Antiwar.com
Oh dear. BRAGGING about his kills......and more bellicose threats to Iran. Obama : What happened??? Must you appease the R's to the degree you would sell your own soul?? Bragging is so uncouth anyhow......but for a president .....shameful . or so one would have thought. (particularly about slaughtering an old man , unarmed, in front of his children and wife .........yep, it takes a real macho man to do that. ) Is that your version of an "honor kill"??? I trust you kept the tape of the kill and can watch it just to savor that moment over and over again. (something like bush showing off the gun that was found with SH ). Isn't collecting trophies from your kills evidence of severe pathology??
SICK and bloody shocking....
President Barack Obama promised that "No options off the table means I'm considering all options."
Downed US Drone in Iran Reveals Broader Covert War -- News from Antiwar.com
recovery of a downed U.S. surveillance drone publicized America’s ongoing covert war on Iran, a part of the Obama administration’s strategy even more bellicose than his predecessor’s.
U.S. actions towards Iran are being couched as an attempt to prevent their attainment of nuclear weapons, despite a failure to put forth a shred of evidence that a weapons program is underway.
In a statement on Thursday, President Obama reiterated this confrontational approach with a popular euphemism for international aggression: “No options off the table means I’m considering all options.”
And many options are indeed being carried out
Obama Brags About Bin Laden Killing, Threatens Iran
Comments Appear Aimed At Proving He's as Big a Hawk as Potential 2012 Opponents
by Jason Ditz, December 08, 2011
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In comments that were surprisingly bellicose even for the current political environment, President Obama bragged loudly about the number of people he’s killed today, urging hawks who don’t think he’s hawkish enough to “ask Osama bin Laden and the 22 out of 30 top al-Qaeda leaders who’ve been taken off the field.”
Obama Brags About Bin Laden Killing, Threatens Iran -- News from Antiwar.com
Oh dear. BRAGGING about his kills......and more bellicose threats to Iran. Obama : What happened??? Must you appease the R's to the degree you would sell your own soul?? Bragging is so uncouth anyhow......but for a president .....shameful . or so one would have thought. (particularly about slaughtering an old man , unarmed, in front of his children and wife .........yep, it takes a real macho man to do that. ) Is that your version of an "honor kill"??? I trust you kept the tape of the kill and can watch it just to savor that moment over and over again. (something like bush showing off the gun that was found with SH ). Isn't collecting trophies from your kills evidence of severe pathology??
SICK and bloody shocking....
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The local Arab population had been waging a long campaign against the Jews in the former Ottoman Empire and now against the mandated territories of Iraq, Syria and Palestine, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of Jews in scattered pogroms. While certainly not all the local Arab population was committed to the extermination of Jews in western Asia, a considerable number of people did hope for this eventuality. Their collaboration in murdering Jews would have been comparable with assistance given the Germans by local populations in several European countries. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin el-Husseini, galvanized anti-Jewish sentiment among Arabs. Husseini congratulated Hitler after his 1933 victory in the German elections, and in the subsequent decade he increased his contacts with him, actually taking refuge in Berlin after the war began. While in Germany, Husseini met with Hitler, Eichmann and Eichmann’s subordinates in an effort to implement their shared vision of a Palestine denuded of Jews. The Grand Mufti, in a statement issued after meeting with top German officials, noted that “Germany was the only country in the world that did not limit itself to struggling against Jews solely on its own soil, but had also declared an uncompromising war on world Jewry. In this struggle of Germany against international Jewry, the Arabs felt a very close bond of solidarity with Germany.”
http://forward.com/articles/144213/
http://forward.com/articles/144213/
IS, it would be more accurate to say that overwhelming Jewish immigration created problems and the resulting friction escalated into violence. Do you think that the Arab residents had anything to fear from this level of Jewish immigration?
Do you think its unreasonable for the local Arab population to be concerned about this level of Jewish immigration? Try to imagine how you would react if the United States was run as a British mandate, and the Brits allowed 100 million Muslim Fundamentalists intent on turning the US into a Muslim Fundamentalist state to immigrate to the US. Do you think resident Americans be happy as the Muslim Fundamentalist immigrants changed the US into a Muslim Fundamentalist state, adopted Sharia law, required all women to wear Burkas and enforced the call to prayer? How do you think that would go over? Would you expect resident Americans might be upset?
I find the level of violence in Palestine surprisingly low until about 1936. I doubt Americans would have been as peaceful for so long, when faced with that kind of a demographic change.
Zionism and the way it was implemented was the main cause of violence in this region and rising Arab antisemitism. Its a fact that before Zionism, Palestinian Jews, Muslims and Christians got along fairly well in this region. Your Islamaphobic websites would have you believe that Muslims have had a special hate for Jews over the centuries, when it fact, this is a recent phenomenon and is 100% associated with the Zionism and Zionist pro-Jewish ethnic cleansing activities. Before Zionism, Muslims treated all religious minorities more or less equally bad. Jews weren't treated more poorly than Christians. The Ottoman empire controlled this area for centuries until WW I. During this time, Palestine was peaceful 99% of the time. For most of this period, Jews and Christians were free to immigrate to Palestine and practice their faith. The Ottomans were Muslim and they did favor the Muslim population, but compared to the level of antisemitism in Europe at the time, Jews were far better off in the Ottoman empire than they were in Germany, Russia, France, the UK and most of Europe. The Ottomans more or less protected everyone who paid their taxes regardless of religion.
Islamaphobic hate sites like Atlas Shrugs are deliberately manipulative and deceitful. Effectively they've convinced you, the Oslo mass murderer and millions of other people to hate Muslims and support war crimes and crimes against humanity against Muslims. I am concerned when people fail to recognize war crimes and crimes against humanity. That's where Germans were in the early 1930's and we all know how that turned out. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
During the Mandate, the Yishuv or Jewish community in Palestine, grew from one-sixth to almost one-third of the population. According to official records, 367,845 Jews and 33,304 non-Jews immigrated legally between 1920 and 1945.[83] It was estimated that another 50–60,000 Jews and a small number of non-Jews immigrated illegally during this period.[84] Immigration accounted for most of the increase of Jewish population,
Before Zionism, Jews were about 1/20 of the population. By 1920, they were 1/6 and by 1945 they were 1/3. Understandably the local residents were concerned about this level of immigration. Some Palestinians believed these new immigrants intended to drive them off their land and create a Jewish state. Imagine that! Do you think its unreasonable for the local Arab population to be concerned about this level of Jewish immigration? Try to imagine how you would react if the United States was run as a British mandate, and the Brits allowed 100 million Muslim Fundamentalists intent on turning the US into a Muslim Fundamentalist state to immigrate to the US. Do you think resident Americans be happy as the Muslim Fundamentalist immigrants changed the US into a Muslim Fundamentalist state, adopted Sharia law, required all women to wear Burkas and enforced the call to prayer? How do you think that would go over? Would you expect resident Americans might be upset?
I find the level of violence in Palestine surprisingly low until about 1936. I doubt Americans would have been as peaceful for so long, when faced with that kind of a demographic change.
Zionism and the way it was implemented was the main cause of violence in this region and rising Arab antisemitism. Its a fact that before Zionism, Palestinian Jews, Muslims and Christians got along fairly well in this region. Your Islamaphobic websites would have you believe that Muslims have had a special hate for Jews over the centuries, when it fact, this is a recent phenomenon and is 100% associated with the Zionism and Zionist pro-Jewish ethnic cleansing activities. Before Zionism, Muslims treated all religious minorities more or less equally bad. Jews weren't treated more poorly than Christians. The Ottoman empire controlled this area for centuries until WW I. During this time, Palestine was peaceful 99% of the time. For most of this period, Jews and Christians were free to immigrate to Palestine and practice their faith. The Ottomans were Muslim and they did favor the Muslim population, but compared to the level of antisemitism in Europe at the time, Jews were far better off in the Ottoman empire than they were in Germany, Russia, France, the UK and most of Europe. The Ottomans more or less protected everyone who paid their taxes regardless of religion.
Islamaphobic hate sites like Atlas Shrugs are deliberately manipulative and deceitful. Effectively they've convinced you, the Oslo mass murderer and millions of other people to hate Muslims and support war crimes and crimes against humanity against Muslims. I am concerned when people fail to recognize war crimes and crimes against humanity. That's where Germans were in the early 1930's and we all know how that turned out. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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