If as Iran said today, that they redirected the drone by overriding its GPS system, then I give them a very BIG thank you. We just found out its vulnerabilities without it being a big deal. We got off cheap with a easy fix available.
Preparations to Attack Iran???
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US Fear And Loathing Over Spy Drone
By Ismail Salami - Tehran
December 16, 2011 "PalestineChronicle" -- In what seems to be nothing but US-style barefaced arrogance, President Barack Obama has demanded the return of a spy drone which violated the airspace of the Islamic Republic but which was to the humiliation of the US officials downed by the Iranian army.
*US Fear And Loathing Over Spy Drone* :* Information Clearing House
something about two bullies playing a very dangerous game...comes to mind
By Ismail Salami - Tehran
December 16, 2011 "PalestineChronicle" -- In what seems to be nothing but US-style barefaced arrogance, President Barack Obama has demanded the return of a spy drone which violated the airspace of the Islamic Republic but which was to the humiliation of the US officials downed by the Iranian army.
*US Fear And Loathing Over Spy Drone* :* Information Clearing House
something about two bullies playing a very dangerous game...comes to mind
Iran guided the CIA's "lost" stealth drone to an intact landing inside hostile territory by exploiting a navigational weakness long-known to the US military, according to an Iranian engineer now working on the captured drone's systems inside Iran.
Iranian electronic warfare specialists were able to cut off communications links of the American bat-wing RQ-170 Sentinel, says the engineer, who works for one of many Iranian military and civilian teams currently trying to unravel the drone’s stealth and intelligence secrets, and who could not be named for his safety.
Using knowledge gleaned from previous downed American drones and a technique proudly claimed by Iranian commanders in September, the Iranian specialists then reconfigured the drone's GPS coordinates to make it land in Iran at what the drone thought was its actual home base in Afghanistan.
Exclusive: Iran hijacked US drone, says Iranian engineer - Yahoo! News
Iranian electronic warfare specialists were able to cut off communications links of the American bat-wing RQ-170 Sentinel, says the engineer, who works for one of many Iranian military and civilian teams currently trying to unravel the drone’s stealth and intelligence secrets, and who could not be named for his safety.
Using knowledge gleaned from previous downed American drones and a technique proudly claimed by Iranian commanders in September, the Iranian specialists then reconfigured the drone's GPS coordinates to make it land in Iran at what the drone thought was its actual home base in Afghanistan.
Exclusive: Iran hijacked US drone, says Iranian engineer - Yahoo! News
Report: Israel, US Discuss Excuses for Attacking Iran
Israeli Hawks 'Furious' at Panetta for Comments on War
by Jason Ditz, December 28, 2011
A report today is claiming that the Obama Administration is in secret talks with the Israeli government to figure out exactly what would constitute a good excuse for launching an attack on Iran.
Report: Israel, US Discuss Excuses for Attacking Iran -- News from Antiwar.com
Israeli Hawks 'Furious' at Panetta for Comments on War
by Jason Ditz, December 28, 2011
A report today is claiming that the Obama Administration is in secret talks with the Israeli government to figure out exactly what would constitute a good excuse for launching an attack on Iran.
Report: Israel, US Discuss Excuses for Attacking Iran -- News from Antiwar.com
It's a dangerous idea.
Iranians are a fundamental people, like French, British, Germans, Russians, Chinese, Indians etc.
They are not a carved out piece of Arabia. They hate being confused with Arabs.
It means the only way to eliminate Iranians as a "problem" would be to kill each and every one... to wipe them out as a race. All of them. Leave one Iranian male with one Iranian female, and they will rebuild.
This also means that, as a people, it wouldn't be surprising for them to be seeking every means possible to defend themselves. What would Americans do?
Yet, the only thing the citizens of Iran want to do is trade.
I do see Iran having is an inconvenient protectorate-type attitude towards Palestinians, possibly because of their Shi'itism.
It's like China protecting North Korea, the Soviets having protected Cuba, the US protecting Israel, and Canada protecting Haiti.
I see so many combinations, starting with Iran offering zones for Palestinians to emigrate to, such that Iran would become the eliminator of Israeli headaches. Problem is, Iran is probably already at the carrying capacity of land, given its 60 million population, unless they were to get gratuitous western help about agricultural efficiency under harsh climates, for, I don't know if you guys have ever looked at a topographical map, but the borders of Iran are almost perfectly defined by mountain ranges. They are a people defined by their land, and they need food from mountain lands.
Now, here's a freaky thought.
You know how France sort-of maintains stability over North Africa?
You know how America maintains a (possibly unnecessary) stability over south and Central America?
You know how Britain maintains a form of stability over its colonies, former or otherwise, via the Commonwealth?
What if instead of hating Iran, we let them become enough of a power to maintain stability over those sick, dicky little 'Stani republics abandoned by the Russians after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Persians have the history for it. They know those people, and at one time ruled them under empire.
It would mean responsibility, which as a people I think they would have no problem accepting by virtue of their incredibly well refined manners... plus I see all they need is trade, plus probably maybe a bit of respect for being a people... like French Canadians.
They are a fundamental people. I can't repeat that enough. They are not a shaved-off piece of Arabia, and they are not Indian. Put them into a situation of them-or-us, and they will do what you would do.
Yet all they really want to do is trade.
Being a people, they will tolerate a dictatorship in as much as did Germans-as-a-people do under an economy debauched by the Treaty of Versailles, preferring it to slavery.
If you go to war against Iran, it will be like going into WW-II against Germans with an evil leader feeling and telling people they were pushed into it by economics. The Treaty of Versailles was so full of MBA thinking that all it could do was lead to another (profitable?) war, (say some). That treaty was so devastating, the question has become one of whether or not the MBAs knew what they were doing, and whether or not they should therefor be pre-sent to hell given the destruction it lead to. Personally I think it's because the MBAs dictating that treaty didn't know how to do much more than jerk off with copies of the Wall Street Journal and feel confident about knowing where to buy suits, but I could be wrong.
Iranians are advanced enough that if, as a people, they have the money, they will replace the existing government in a nite-shade's second.
They make the best carpets, and Albertan-foothills sheep ranchers grow the world's best lamb.
The problem for Albertan lamb ranchers is that Canadians have a prejudice against lamb, such that all the good stuff gets shipped to Europe, such that those few Canadians okay about eating lamb buy second-grade New Zealand stuff.
Yet Persians *love* good lamb.
We start trading Alberta lamb for good carpets, and end up with a bunch of Alberta lamb ranchers laying on a foot of Persian carpets with a wife nagging about how her shep-herd hubby is getting too much into having his grapes pealed.
Seriously... nobody wants to go to war when everyone is doing well. War is expensive, and is of useless value when of no purpose, such that if UN-treaties govern right, then Iran can take on the burden of governing the non-sense that is the abandoned ex-Soviet 'Stani republics, whereupon everything can get back to and be well fed by good trade.
Iranians are a fundamental people, like French, British, Germans, Russians, Chinese, Indians etc.
They are not a carved out piece of Arabia. They hate being confused with Arabs.
It means the only way to eliminate Iranians as a "problem" would be to kill each and every one... to wipe them out as a race. All of them. Leave one Iranian male with one Iranian female, and they will rebuild.
This also means that, as a people, it wouldn't be surprising for them to be seeking every means possible to defend themselves. What would Americans do?
Yet, the only thing the citizens of Iran want to do is trade.
I do see Iran having is an inconvenient protectorate-type attitude towards Palestinians, possibly because of their Shi'itism.
It's like China protecting North Korea, the Soviets having protected Cuba, the US protecting Israel, and Canada protecting Haiti.
I see so many combinations, starting with Iran offering zones for Palestinians to emigrate to, such that Iran would become the eliminator of Israeli headaches. Problem is, Iran is probably already at the carrying capacity of land, given its 60 million population, unless they were to get gratuitous western help about agricultural efficiency under harsh climates, for, I don't know if you guys have ever looked at a topographical map, but the borders of Iran are almost perfectly defined by mountain ranges. They are a people defined by their land, and they need food from mountain lands.
Now, here's a freaky thought.
You know how France sort-of maintains stability over North Africa?
You know how America maintains a (possibly unnecessary) stability over south and Central America?
You know how Britain maintains a form of stability over its colonies, former or otherwise, via the Commonwealth?
What if instead of hating Iran, we let them become enough of a power to maintain stability over those sick, dicky little 'Stani republics abandoned by the Russians after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Persians have the history for it. They know those people, and at one time ruled them under empire.
It would mean responsibility, which as a people I think they would have no problem accepting by virtue of their incredibly well refined manners... plus I see all they need is trade, plus probably maybe a bit of respect for being a people... like French Canadians.
They are a fundamental people. I can't repeat that enough. They are not a shaved-off piece of Arabia, and they are not Indian. Put them into a situation of them-or-us, and they will do what you would do.
Yet all they really want to do is trade.
Being a people, they will tolerate a dictatorship in as much as did Germans-as-a-people do under an economy debauched by the Treaty of Versailles, preferring it to slavery.
If you go to war against Iran, it will be like going into WW-II against Germans with an evil leader feeling and telling people they were pushed into it by economics. The Treaty of Versailles was so full of MBA thinking that all it could do was lead to another (profitable?) war, (say some). That treaty was so devastating, the question has become one of whether or not the MBAs knew what they were doing, and whether or not they should therefor be pre-sent to hell given the destruction it lead to. Personally I think it's because the MBAs dictating that treaty didn't know how to do much more than jerk off with copies of the Wall Street Journal and feel confident about knowing where to buy suits, but I could be wrong.
Iranians are advanced enough that if, as a people, they have the money, they will replace the existing government in a nite-shade's second.
They make the best carpets, and Albertan-foothills sheep ranchers grow the world's best lamb.
The problem for Albertan lamb ranchers is that Canadians have a prejudice against lamb, such that all the good stuff gets shipped to Europe, such that those few Canadians okay about eating lamb buy second-grade New Zealand stuff.
Yet Persians *love* good lamb.
We start trading Alberta lamb for good carpets, and end up with a bunch of Alberta lamb ranchers laying on a foot of Persian carpets with a wife nagging about how her shep-herd hubby is getting too much into having his grapes pealed.
Seriously... nobody wants to go to war when everyone is doing well. War is expensive, and is of useless value when of no purpose, such that if UN-treaties govern right, then Iran can take on the burden of governing the non-sense that is the abandoned ex-Soviet 'Stani republics, whereupon everything can get back to and be well fed by good trade.
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The Royal Navy's newest and most advanced ship is being sent to the Gulf for her first mission amid heightened tensions with Iran over threats by Tehran to block a busy shipping lane.
First mission: Type 45 destroyer HMS Daring, which employs a 'stealth' design to help avoid detection, is to join the British presence in the region, the Ministry of Defence confirmed
The Type 45 destroyer HMS Daring, which has a 'stealth' futuristic design to help avoid detection, is to join the British presence in the region, the Ministry of Defence confirmed.
The dispatch of the ship comes days after Defence Secretary Philip Hammond warned the regime that any attempt to block the Strait of Hormuz would be 'illegal and unsuccessful' and would be countered militarily if necessary.
Scheduled to leave Portsmouth next Wednesday, the £1 billion destroyer, also carries the world's most sophisticated naval radar, capable of tracking multiple incoming threats from missiles to fighter jets.
The vessel has been fitted with new technology that will give it the ability to shoot down any missile in Iran's armoury, according to The Telegraph.
An MoD spokesman said: 'The Royal Navy has had a continuous presence East of Suez for many years, including the Armilla patrol and its successors since 1980.
'While the newly-operational Type 45 destroyer HMS Daring is more capable than earlier ships, her deployment East of Suez has been long planned, is entirely routine and replaces a Frigate on station.'
The second Type 45, HMS Dauntless, will also be available to sail at short notice.
HMS Daring completed four years of sea trials and training late last year and is the first of six new destroyers which will replace the Type 42 vessels which started service in the 1970s.
The vessel, with a crew of 180, is the first to be built with a futuristic design that makes it difficult to detect using radar.
It also has a large flight deck which can accommodate helicopters the size of a Chinook as well as take on board 700 people in the case of a civilian evacuation.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1istGAwNK
First mission: Type 45 destroyer HMS Daring, which employs a 'stealth' design to help avoid detection, is to join the British presence in the region, the Ministry of Defence confirmed
The Type 45 destroyer HMS Daring, which has a 'stealth' futuristic design to help avoid detection, is to join the British presence in the region, the Ministry of Defence confirmed.
The dispatch of the ship comes days after Defence Secretary Philip Hammond warned the regime that any attempt to block the Strait of Hormuz would be 'illegal and unsuccessful' and would be countered militarily if necessary.
Scheduled to leave Portsmouth next Wednesday, the £1 billion destroyer, also carries the world's most sophisticated naval radar, capable of tracking multiple incoming threats from missiles to fighter jets.
The vessel has been fitted with new technology that will give it the ability to shoot down any missile in Iran's armoury, according to The Telegraph.
An MoD spokesman said: 'The Royal Navy has had a continuous presence East of Suez for many years, including the Armilla patrol and its successors since 1980.
'While the newly-operational Type 45 destroyer HMS Daring is more capable than earlier ships, her deployment East of Suez has been long planned, is entirely routine and replaces a Frigate on station.'
The second Type 45, HMS Dauntless, will also be available to sail at short notice.
HMS Daring completed four years of sea trials and training late last year and is the first of six new destroyers which will replace the Type 42 vessels which started service in the 1970s.
The vessel, with a crew of 180, is the first to be built with a futuristic design that makes it difficult to detect using radar.
It also has a large flight deck which can accommodate helicopters the size of a Chinook as well as take on board 700 people in the case of a civilian evacuation.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1istGAwNK
Fools march in where Anglo Daring treads?
Please forgive my poetic licence, as I know Das Boot floats.
Please forgive my poetic licence, as I know Das Boot floats.
US to send old warship to Persian Gulf
On board of the oldest US aircraft carrier, the USS Enterprise, Panetta told the crowd of 1,700 sailors that the 50-year-old ship is heading to the Persian Gulf region in a direct message to Tehran.
On board of the oldest US aircraft carrier, the USS Enterprise, Panetta told the crowd of 1,700 sailors that the 50-year-old ship is heading to the Persian Gulf region in a direct message to Tehran.