Preparations to Attack Iran???

[Omicron]

What I am listening to while writing this: --> http://tunes.digitalock.com/Damien_Robitaille-Metres_De_Mon_Etre.mp3

In this case Israel can possibly get away with it, but a couple years ago she could not have.

A couple years ago Iran had a secret nuclear program. The issue with international inspectors was that Iran would show them everything except the stockpiles of material.

The surplus materials were going to secret centrifuges, the stupidest and most MBA expensive way to make a bomb, which got found out. That's not how N.Korea did it.

Now I am listening to this while writing: --> http://tunes.digitalock.com/hammersong.mp3

In the mean time Canada had the Candu, a reactor so well done that the waste material was Plutonium.

The waste-product of Candus' is the building material of atomic bombs. India built its nuclear defense using waste-product of Candus.

Canada got told by Bush to hand-over the waste-product of Canadian reactors, as if there was a threat from the north. Classic Harvard-MBA thinking from twat families rich enough to pay tuition for a kid without a brain nor IQ strong enough to crack an acorn.

That's as stupid as thinking Canada would threaten China, now the greatest buyer of timber.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Harper got told by Uncle Sam to hand-over all stuff like that, as if there was a threat from the north. Classic Harvard-MBA thinking from some twat from a family rich enough to pay his tuition without his brain having an IQ strong enough to crack an acorn.

How did Harper respnd?? Did he "obey" ??

( thx. )

An Act Of War?
Top US Senator Unveils Iran Central Bank Sanctions

By AFP

November 17, 2011 "AFP" -- Looking to heap pressure on Iran over its suspect nuclear program, a top US senator on Thursday introduced legislation aimed at collapsing the country's central bank.


An Act Of War? : Top US Senator Unveils Iran Central Bank Sanctions

.......IF one was from outer space, and observing this , who would be determined a threat to whom? ( a REAL threat , not a fabricated one Neither the empire or Israel have any credibility left. Their lies have been exposed for all to see. Their motives are those of aggression.

All one has to do is think of all those WMD (stockpiles of same) that was used to justify invading Iraq. How long can this insanity go on??

All this talk about trying to obtain nukes. , fear of something that has not happened being a "threat" to two nations who have the most dangerous weapons on the planet is totally irrational. Two nations who have no compunctions about using them regardless of how many they have slaughtered in the recent history.
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No one is substantiating with FACTS just how big a threat Iran is and to whom. but the drums of war are beating with intent . War like this is nothing but genocide. And yet so many fall for the lies and propaganda and would support even more human slaughter en masse.

Will people, IF they still exist a hundred years from now be asking: How come no one stopped these progressive , destructive wars . How come no one stood up to the empire and Israel about the inhumanity of what they were doing??

It is shameful......what lust for power, and world control can make people do...every thing else is just window dressing. for the gullible










"Nuclear Option" Against Iran's Economy Paves Way for War
* "Nuclear Option" Against Iran's Economy Paves Way for War :* Information Clearing House

 

[Omicron]

Options are, you get to lay on your back in NY and jerk-off to get profit for wise "investment" decisions, or you actually get to do a good investment.

I know someone from a Scottish bank as hard core as a Jewish Bank.

Relax dudes... it's no more harsh a separation from the global economic system into a system of economic self-sufficiency (of which two countries only can do the other bring Russia) than was Henry-VIII and Elizabeth-I from Rome) other than this.

Suppose you are one of two countries on the planet self sufficient, such that if you were blown into space with only a dome over your head you would survive.

Next is Russia, the other place with sufficient resources, with a bastard mental IQ changing zero since it did regime change. The bankers are delighted to have this new place to scoop interest from.

Third is the objective of our ancestors, which was to have a good and prop or civilization.

So seriously... why is it every time I get an anteanea against Lucifer, you guys hate me?

Is it because for you the influence is coming from the grunt side of hell? And existence consisting of Harpies telling you all about the stuff you already know you did wrong?

If you want Harpies killed, I would love to do that.

 

[ironsides]

Israeli Attack on Iran Would Include Targeting Civilian Infrastructure
A strike would go beyond bombs to include electronic warfare aimed at emergency frequencies for firemen and police officers


Israeli Attack on Iran Would Include Targeting Civilian Infrastructure -- News from Antiwar.com



you are such a brat.:lol:

Defiantly, and why wouldn't Israel want to shut Iran down completely with a first strike. It is sound military strategy for anyone contemplating war.


P.S.

HONOLULU (AP) — The Army on Thursday conducted its first flight test of a new weapon capable of traveling five times the speed of sound.
The Army launched the Advanced Hypersonic Weapon from the military's Pacific Missile Range Facility on Kauai at about 1:30 a.m.
The weapon's "glide vehicle" reached Kwajalein Atoll — some 2,300 miles away — in less than half an hour, said Lt. Col. Melinda Morgan, a Pentagon spokeswoman.

http://news.yahoo.com/army-tests-hypersonic-weapon-over-pacific-025853085.html

 

[petros]

Follow the silk road...

 

[ironsides]

Looks like something will be forced upon Iran if they continue on the road they are taking.

NUSA DUA, Indonesia (Reuters) - The White House said on Saturday that Iran is facing an unprecedented degree of isolation, with major world powers united in their opposition to Tehran getting a nuclear weapon.
"Russia, China and the United States I can tell you share a similar goal, and that is to not seeing the Iranians move toward the development of nuclear weapons," U.S. national security adviser Tom Donilon told reporters.
"The degree of isolation really is unprecedented," he said, referring a Friday vote by the United Nations nuclear watchdog IAEA expressing concerns about Iran's nuclear program.
President Barack Obama discussed Tehran's nuclear ambitions with Russian and Chinese leaders last week during an Asia-Pacific summit he hosted in Hawaii.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/About+the...d+to+Hurricane+Katrina+victims+5-Sep-2005.htm
http://news.yahoo.com/u-russia-china-united-iran-white-house-054318026.html

 

[Ocean Breeze]

War Clouds Form over Iran

War Clouds Form over Iran

the pending attack of Iran should make the war lovers on here salivate with anticipation. Nothing like destroying yet another nation , slaughtering thousands of its inhabitants that did no harm to anyone.

A tragic testiment to what is called "humanity".

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Iran cut off from Canada, U.S., U.K. banking systems

Iran cut off from Canada, U.S., U.K. banking systems - Politics - CBC News

Looks like the Harper Canada wants to make itself a target for hatred too.

Seems that Iran would be justified completely in doing a pre-emptive strike against its threats. ( the US/Israel combo with UK and Canada along for the ride. with political reasons of their own)

and there is no question about the validity of the threats Iran is facing. They are real and dangerous.

 

[earth_as_one]

Israel's Defense Minister Ehud Barak speaks candidly about his view regarding Iran's nuclear ambitions:
Iranian nuclear programme not about Israel
Iranian nuclear programme not about Israel - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

I don't agree with him as I believe the evidence does not support allegations that Iran has an active nuclear weapons program. But his comments are insightful and refreshing. I wish more politicians would speak their minds.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Target Iran: Washington's Countdown to War

Target Iran: Washington's Countdown to War

from above:

The Iranian people know what it means to earn the enmity of the global godfather.

As William Blum documented in Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II, 1953's CIA-organized coup against Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh, guilty of the "crime" of nationalizing the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, may have "saved" Iran from a nonexistent "Red Menace," but it left that oil-rich nation in proverbial "safe hands"--those of the brutal dictatorship of Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi.

Similarly today, a nonexistent "nuclear threat" is the pretext being used by Washington to install a "friendly" regime in Tehran and undercut geopolitical rivals China and Russia in the process, thereby "securing" the country's vast petrochemical wealth for American multinationals.

As the U.S. and Israel ramp-up covert operations against Iran, the Pentagon "has laid out its most explicit cyberwarfare policy to date, stating that if directed by the president, it will launch 'offensive cyber operations' in response to hostile acts," according to The Washington Post.

Citing "a long-overdue report to Congress released late Monday," we're informed that "hostile acts may include 'significant cyber attacks directed against the U.S. economy, government or military'," unnamed Defense Department officials stated.

However, Air Force General Robert Kehler, the commander of U.S. Strategic Command (USSTRATCOM) told Reuters, "I do not believe that we need new explicit authorities to conduct offensive operations of any kind."

The Pentagon report, which is still not publicly available, asserts: "We reserve the right to use all necessary means--diplomatic, informational, military and economic--to defend our nation, our allies, our partners and our interests."

Washington's "interests," which first and foremost include "securing its hegemony over the energy-rich regions of the Middle East and Central Asia" as the World Socialist Web Site observed, may lead the crisis-ridden U.S. Empire "to take another irresponsible gamble to shore up its interests in the Middle East ... as a means of diverting attention from the social devastation produced by its austerity agenda."

 

[earth_as_one]

George Orwell on the Evil Iranian Menace

... the U.S. and Israel has bombarded Iran with multiple acts of war over the last year, including explosions on Iranian soil, the murder of numerous Iranian nuclear scientists (in which even one of their wives was shot), and sophisticated cyberattacks. Meanwhile, top American political officials from both parties are actively demanding that an Iranian revolutionary cult be removed from the list of Terrorist organizations (just coincidentally, they’re all on the cult’s payroll). In the past decade, the U.S. and/or Israel have invaded, air attacked, and/or occupied Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya, Lebanon, Sudan, Syria, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip (to say nothing of the creation of a worldwide torture regime, a system of “black site” prisons around the world to which people were disappeared, and a due-process-free detention camp in the middle of the Caribbean Ocean where many people remain encaged for almost a full decade without charges).

During this same time period, Iran has not invaded, occupied or air attacked anyone. Iran, to be sure, is domestically oppressive, but no more so — and in many cases less — than the multiple regimes funded, armed and otherwise propped up by the U.S. during this period. Those are all just facts. But — despite all of these facts — all Serious people in the U.S. know that Iran is the Aggressor, the Modern Nazis, a True Menace, while the U.S. and Israel are its innocent peace-loving victims.

...despite all of these facts — all Serious people in the U.S. know that Iran is the Aggressor, the Modern Nazis, a True Menace, while the U.S. and Israel are its innocent peace-loving victims. Today, Iran claims that it took down an American drone flying over its country (either by shooting it down or overtaking its control system). Iran has made similar claims before, but this time the U.S. admits it last week lost a drone flying over what it claims was Western Afghanistan (not Eastern Iran). Between the intense wall of secrecy behind which the U.S. government operates and the less-than-reliable nature of the pronouncements from both governments, we’ll likely never know what happened for sure.

In any event, this is yet another case of increased tensions between the two nations, and it’s thus time for yet another round of Those Evil, Provocative, Aggressive Iranians (because, of course, no peace-loving nation — such as the U.S. — would ever dare shoot down an Iranian drone if it flew over their soil; in fact, just imagine the massive retaliatory response that would be triggered if Iran were found to be flying drones over American soil, let alone simultaneously killing U.S. scientists, causing explosions on U.S. soil, backing U.S. Terrorist groups, and launching cyber attacks on U.S. nuclear facilities, all while occupying Canada and Mexico with more than 150,000 troops). In light of these belligerent U.S. actions and threats — along with seeing how the U.S. treats countries without a nuclear capability versus those who have one – nothing is more rational than Iran’s wanting a nuclear weapon. Given the extensive violence and aggression the U.S. has perpetrated, and continues to perpetrate, on numerous countries in that region, one might think that not even our political culture could sustain the propagandistic myth that it is Iran that is the aggressor state and the U.S. that is its peace-loving victim. But, of course, one who thought that would be completely wrong. Not only is it a widespread belief, but it’s virtually mandated orthodoxy.

...none of that should be at all surprising or confusing, given that 66 years ago, George Orwell — in his 1945 Notes on Nationalism — explained exactly the warped form of thinking that creates this mindset:

All nationalists have the power of not seeing resemblances between similar sets of facts. A British Tory will defend self-determination in Europe and oppose it in India with no feeling of inconsistency. Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them, and there is almost no kind of outrage — torture, the use of hostages, forced labour, mass deportations, imprisonment without trial, forgery, assassination, the bombing of civilians — which does not change its moral colour when it is committed by ‘our’ side. . . . The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.
​

George Orwell on the Evil Iranian Menace - Salon.com

 

[petros]

What is the nuclear target in Iran anyway?

 

[earth_as_one]

Iran's nuclear program includes a nuclear power plant, several research sites, two uranium mines, a research reactor and uranium processing facilities that include three known uranium enrichment plants. If the US or Israel attacks Iran, they'll probably bomb some of Iran's nuclear facilities but their main target will be Iranian missile factories. I strongly suspect that a covert US or Israeli operation was behind this recent event:

Explosion Seen as Big Setback to Iran’s Missile Program
December 4, 2011
The huge explosion that destroyed a major missile-testing site near Tehran three weeks ago was a major setback for Iran’s most advanced long-range missile program, according to American and Israeli intelligence officials and missile technology experts....Some Iranian officials have talked of sabotage, but it is unclear whether that is based on evidence or surmise after several years in which Iranian nuclear scientists have been assassinated on Tehran’s streets, and a highly sophisticated computer worm has attacked its main uranium production facility. Both American and Israeli officials, in discussing the explosion in recent days, showed little curiosity about its cause.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/05/w...ase-seen-as-big-setback-to-iran-missiles.html

So the war is on. Its just a covert war mostly fought indirectly by proxy

 

[petros]

Iran's nuclear program includes a nuclear power plant, several research
sites, two uranium mines, a research reactor and uranium processing facilities
that include three known uranium enrichment plants.

A total of 80 nuclear facilities and they are spread far and wide through the country. That makes for a full scale invasion if the freaks want to attack. It won't be a small easy war like many believe.

 

[earth_as_one]

Iran possesses solid fuel ballistic missiles which can be launched in a few minutes and hit targets as far away as Europe:
Ashura/Ghadr-110A

The also have multiple warhead independent targeting scalability, cruise missiles, Surface to Air missiles and super-cavitation capable torpedoes. But the biggest threat to Israel is this small missile:

ZELZAL-2 ( Mushak-200)
Range Kilometers 300
Diameter Meters 0.61
Height Meters 8.3 - 8.46
Stages 1
Launch Mass Kilograms 3,450-3,545
Warhead Mass Kilograms 210-600
Fateh-110 / NP-110 / Mushak

Hezbollah will eventually possess tens of thousands of these truck launched Iranian made missiles.

A total of 80 nuclear facilities and they are spread far and wide through the country. That makes for a full scale invasion if the freaks want to attack. It won't be a small easy war like many believe.

That's not counting warehouses of spare parts which are probably distributed across the country. Nothing short of a full scale invasion and occupation could stop Iran. By the time the US and Israel pacified Iran, Tel Aviv and most of Israel's military and nuclear facilities would be mostly craters from conventional weapons.

 

[petros]

Yup.

 

[darkbeaver]

It is important that Israel be spared. Corpses cannot be tried for genocide.

 

[petros]

Dead men tell no tales.

 

[ironsides]

George Orwell on the Evil Iranian Menace

... the U.S. and Israel has bombarded Iran with multiple acts of war over the last year, including explosions on Iranian soil, the murder of numerous Iranian nuclear scientists (in which even one of their wives was shot), and sophisticated cyberattacks. Meanwhile, top American political officials from both parties are actively demanding that an Iranian revolutionary cult be removed from the list of Terrorist organizations (just coincidentally, they’re all on the cult’s payroll). In the past decade, the U.S. and/or Israel have invaded, air attacked, and/or occupied Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya, Lebanon, Sudan, Syria, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip (to say nothing of the creation of a worldwide torture regime, a system of “black site” prisons around the world to which people were disappeared, and a due-process-free detention camp in the middle of the Caribbean Ocean where many people remain encaged for almost a full decade without charges).

During this same time period, Iran has not invaded, occupied or air attacked anyone. Iran, to be sure, is domestically oppressive, but no more so — and in many cases less — than the multiple regimes funded, armed and otherwise propped up by the U.S. during this period. Those are all just facts. But — despite all of these facts — all Serious people in the U.S. know that Iran is the Aggressor, the Modern Nazis, a True Menace, while the U.S. and Israel are its innocent peace-loving victims.

...despite all of these facts — all Serious people in the U.S. know that Iran is the Aggressor, the Modern Nazis, a True Menace, while the U.S. and Israel are its innocent peace-loving victims. Today, Iran claims that it took down an American drone flying over its country (either by shooting it down or overtaking its control system). Iran has made similar claims before, but this time the U.S. admits it last week lost a drone flying over what it claims was Western Afghanistan (not Eastern Iran). Between the intense wall of secrecy behind which the U.S. government operates and the less-than-reliable nature of the pronouncements from both governments, we’ll likely never know what happened for sure.

In any event, this is yet another case of increased tensions between the two nations, and it’s thus time for yet another round of Those Evil, Provocative, Aggressive Iranians (because, of course, no peace-loving nation — such as the U.S. — would ever dare shoot down an Iranian drone if it flew over their soil; in fact, just imagine the massive retaliatory response that would be triggered if Iran were found to be flying drones over American soil, let alone simultaneously killing U.S. scientists, causing explosions on U.S. soil, backing U.S. Terrorist groups, and launching cyber attacks on U.S. nuclear facilities, all while occupying Canada and Mexico with more than 150,000 troops). In light of these belligerent U.S. actions and threats — along with seeing how the U.S. treats countries without a nuclear capability versus those who have one – nothing is more rational than Iran’s wanting a nuclear weapon. Given the extensive violence and aggression the U.S. has perpetrated, and continues to perpetrate, on numerous countries in that region, one might think that not even our political culture could sustain the propagandistic myth that it is Iran that is the aggressor state and the U.S. that is its peace-loving victim. But, of course, one who thought that would be completely wrong. Not only is it a widespread belief, but it’s virtually mandated orthodoxy.

...none of that should be at all surprising or confusing, given that 66 years ago, George Orwell — in his 1945 Notes on Nationalism — explained exactly the warped form of thinking that creates this mindset:

All nationalists have the power of not seeing resemblances between similar sets of facts. A British Tory will defend self-determination in Europe and oppose it in India with no feeling of inconsistency. Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them, and there is almost no kind of outrage — torture, the use of hostages, forced labour, mass deportations, imprisonment without trial, forgery, assassination, the bombing of civilians — which does not change its moral colour when it is committed by ‘our’ side. . . . The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.
​

George Orwell on the Evil Iranian Menace - Salon.com

Cannot believe it, out of all this garbage you said one thing right. "all Serious people in the U.S. know that Iran is the Aggressor, the Modern Nazis, a True Menace, while the U.S. and Israel are its innocent peace-loving victims."

 

[darkbeaver]

Dead men tell no tales.

I think I mentioned a theory that I had read several some twenty four moths ago or so outlining the eventual necessity that those tales remain forever sealed. The persecution and sacrifice of Israel was to be the ultimate burnt offering of the controllers to the lord of this world. This act would forever deify a whole select people and more importantly appease their golden overlords.Crazy I know but the old ways are best I guess.

Cannot believe it, out of all this garbage you said one thing right. "all Serious people in the U.S. know that Iran is the Aggressor, the Modern Nazis, a True Menace, while the U.S. and Israel are its innocent peace-loving victims."

It's good that there are so few serious people in the USA cuz war is very expensive, especially when your broke. No that's not exactly right, there are serious people in the USA, packing to leave.