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Tories falter in crucial battleground, but gain throughout West, poll finds
By TU THANH HA AND JANE TABER
Monday, December 5, 2005 Posted at 1:26 AM EST
From Monday's Globe and Mail
Montreal and St. John's — A week after the election writ was dropped, Conservative support in Ontario has sagged markedly, giving the Liberals a firm lead in the key battleground of the federal campaign, polling results indicate.
Nightly tracking numbers compiled by the Strategic Counsel for The Globe and Mail and CTV show that Paul Martin's Liberals have widened the five-point lead they enjoyed before the election was called to a 12-point gap.
The week before the election was called, the Liberals had 40-per-cent support in Ontario. It has remained stable and now stands at 42 per cent.
Tories falter in crucial battleground, but gain throughout West, poll finds
By TU THANH HA AND JANE TABER
Monday, December 5, 2005 Posted at 1:26 AM EST
From Monday's Globe and Mail
Montreal and St. John's — A week after the election writ was dropped, Conservative support in Ontario has sagged markedly, giving the Liberals a firm lead in the key battleground of the federal campaign, polling results indicate.
Nightly tracking numbers compiled by the Strategic Counsel for The Globe and Mail and CTV show that Paul Martin's Liberals have widened the five-point lead they enjoyed before the election was called to a 12-point gap.
The week before the election was called, the Liberals had 40-per-cent support in Ontario. It has remained stable and now stands at 42 per cent.
Are the Liberals winning, or are the Conservatives losing? I have a feeling it is the latter.
http://www.nodice.ca/elections/canada/polls.php
http://www.nodice.ca/elections/canada/polls.php
Libs 38
Cons 29
Ndp15
Bloc14
grn5
That sis one of three polls for dec 3 from Juans link. The conservatives are stuck in a rut.
Cons 29
Ndp15
Bloc14
grn5
That sis one of three polls for dec 3 from Juans link. The conservatives are stuck in a rut.
What impressed me no1
was where the Liberals were in Ontario. If they can build on 42 pecent in Ontario percent and pick up a few seats in Quebec and a few in the west, they might make Harper wish he hadn't pushed so hard for an early election. The Libs seem to have support in the Maritimes.
was where the Liberals were in Ontario. If they can build on 42 pecent in Ontario percent and pick up a few seats in Quebec and a few in the west, they might make Harper wish he hadn't pushed so hard for an early election. The Libs seem to have support in the Maritimes.
Tell you the truth Juan, I do not think even a small majority for Martin is out of the question, especially if Cons lose seats in Ontario and Libs pick up a few in BC......
December 4th poll. (SES-CPAC)
From Here
Libs-37%
Cons-30%
NDP-16%
Bloc-13%
Greeen-5%
SES - Liberals lead by 9 Points
A teaser:
The Liberal up-tick was concentrated mostly in Ontario. Our daily Leadership Index which scores the leaders each day shows Martin fared better yesterday than both Harper and Layton. On the best PM front, unsure has mathematically surpassed Stephen Harper (Unsure Best PM 20, Harper Best PM 19) although still a statistical tie. [/teaser]
Decided Voters
LIB - 38% (+4)
CP - 29% (+1)
NDP - 15% (-5)
BQ - 14% (NC)
GP - 5% (+1)
*17% of Canadians were undecided (+3)
In Quebec:
BQ - 52% (-2)
LIB - 30% (+6)
CP - 9% (NC)
NDP - 6% (-2)
GP - 3% (-1)
Best PM
Martin - 30% (+1)
Unsure - 20% (+7)
Harper - 19% (-3)
None - 13% (+2)
Layton - 10% (-6)
Duceppe - 6% (-1)
Harris - 2% (-2)
Leadership Index (Daily composite of the Leaders' Trust, Competence and Vision)*
Martin - 82 (+6)
Harper - 49 (-11)
Duceppe - 30 (-13)
Layton - 25 (-5)
Harris - 8 (0)
* Change for this measure is from yesterday's composite score.
Click link above for the rest. Amazing How far Martin is ahead of Harper for Leadership and best PM.
Things do not look too good at the moment for the Harperites, I wonder why?
From Here
Libs-37%
Cons-30%
NDP-16%
Bloc-13%
Greeen-5%
SES - Liberals lead by 9 Points
A teaser:
The Liberal up-tick was concentrated mostly in Ontario. Our daily Leadership Index which scores the leaders each day shows Martin fared better yesterday than both Harper and Layton. On the best PM front, unsure has mathematically surpassed Stephen Harper (Unsure Best PM 20, Harper Best PM 19) although still a statistical tie. [/teaser]
Decided Voters
LIB - 38% (+4)
CP - 29% (+1)
NDP - 15% (-5)
BQ - 14% (NC)
GP - 5% (+1)
*17% of Canadians were undecided (+3)
In Quebec:
BQ - 52% (-2)
LIB - 30% (+6)
CP - 9% (NC)
NDP - 6% (-2)
GP - 3% (-1)
Best PM
Martin - 30% (+1)
Unsure - 20% (+7)
Harper - 19% (-3)
None - 13% (+2)
Layton - 10% (-6)
Duceppe - 6% (-1)
Harris - 2% (-2)
Leadership Index (Daily composite of the Leaders' Trust, Competence and Vision)*
Martin - 82 (+6)
Harper - 49 (-11)
Duceppe - 30 (-13)
Layton - 25 (-5)
Harris - 8 (0)
* Change for this measure is from yesterday's composite score.
Click link above for the rest. Amazing How far Martin is ahead of Harper for Leadership and best PM.
Things do not look too good at the moment for the Harperites, I wonder why?
Martin promises tax cuts that would put $600 into familes pockets and he is the second coming.
Harper promises $1,200 and everyone has to break it down to $25 per week.
Martins promise saves us $12/wk.
Not to mention that Martin has really done nothing during this campaign other than complain about other parties platforms, not just the Conservatives.
Harper promises $1,200 and everyone has to break it down to $25 per week.
Martins promise saves us $12/wk.
Not to mention that Martin has really done nothing during this campaign other than complain about other parties platforms, not just the Conservatives.
He balanced the budget by crippling health care and other social programs. He downloaded Billions in transfer payments down to the provinces. Any teenager with a bachelors degree in economics could drastically cut spending, increase taxes and balance the budget. If he did all that without destroying health care, then I would consider voting for him.
As far as believing the guy. This is the same guy that "promised" to clean up government.
This is the same guy that "promised" to "Axe the Tax" (GST)
This is the same guy that "promised" to reduce waiting times.
There are too many lies to count. I would believe a chronic liar before I would believe Martin on any issue. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. I voted for him the last time. I would rather die than vote for Martin.
That's true, and like Harper's plan it is inherently biased towards the wealthy. The breakdown on Harper's GST cut, assuming he ever got it through, would give rich people $600...$50 a week; working and lower middle class people about $400...$30 a week; and poor people about $200...less than $17 a week. Dropping the GST from specific items and keeping the overall rate the same would do more to help the poor and working class.
Martin's immediate cuts look better for the working and middle class, but his longer range plans again pander to the wealthy.
That's because people tend to pay for child care on a weekly or monthly basis. If he was offering $25 a day, it would have roughly the same impact as the NDP plan, but at an incredibly high cost. Harper wants to pay June Cleaver's babysitting bill so she can go to her knitting club once a week. He's out of touch with Canadians.
And what would Harper do? The same thing, but quicker and meaner. Nice choices you guys are making.
Harper wants to give Canadians a choice. Whether it's mothers staying at home, paying Aunt Unice or going to a day care centre, every child gets the same amount of funding. The cookie cutter process of jamming every kid into an institutionalized day care centre may be the answer for some, but certainly not all.
The point of the GST is that ALL Canadians pay GST no matter how rich or poor they are. Martins tax cuts do absolutely nothing for those on welfare or those that make little or no income. Everyone has to purchase something at some point and wil have to pay GST. If this was an NDP plank, you would say it was a brilliant plan.
These are not even answers. Quicker and meaner? :roll:
Harper wants to return to the 1950s. Proper child care costs money and the most efficient way of providing it is through not-for-profit daycares. Those facilities also employ professionals so your kid can actually learn something while they're there.
Canadians still do have a choice, btw. Nobody is talking about kids being forced into daycare. If you want to stay home or leave your kid with drunken old Aunt Unice, that's up to you.
Those people qualify for the GST rebate and don't buy luxuries. While the GST in its present form inequitable and regressive, Harper's plan does nothing to correct that. Removing the GST from some basic items would address those concerns though.
Just going on Harper's record. He would have cut social programs more deeply. He would have scrapped the Canada Health Act and brought in private care.
Those are things that he said he would do while opposing things that you are complaining about Martin doing, so we're comparing apples with apples.
Reverend Blair said:
Yes, god forbid uneducated parents actually raise children. Who knows what would happen? :roll: Just typical of you lefties: government always knows better.
Sure they have a choice: choose our taxpayer funded, state-approved specialists or you are on your own. And if you can still fund the rich kids in the state run system while your at it. :roll:
So would Layton if you listen to him these days. Or would he? Its hard to tell with his flip flopping. What does he stand for anyway?
MMMikey, you are free to keep your kids locked in the basement if you want. The reality for most people is that most parents work and most grandparents, or even drunken Aunt Unice, really don't want to look after kids every day. That leaves daycare.
Expecting proper, professionally run daycare to be available to everybody isn't unreasonable at all. Harper's plan still leaves such daycare out of the hands of the working poor and much of the middle class. It's a substandard plan by a substandard man who lives in a fantasy world.
Thought you'd try another run at that, did ya? Why were Conservatives phoning Manitobans from the US Senate?
Martin, Harper both have strong negatives: poll
A teaser:
Prime Minister Paul Martin may be seen as dishonest and hypocritical, but people perceive Conservative Leader Stephen Harper as a charmless extremist, a new poll suggests.
"Both leaders are viewed as flawed individuals," pollster Tim Woolstencroft of The Strategic Counsel told CTV.ca on Monday.
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Some interesting numbers there and a link to all results.
A teaser:
Prime Minister Paul Martin may be seen as dishonest and hypocritical, but people perceive Conservative Leader Stephen Harper as a charmless extremist, a new poll suggests.
"Both leaders are viewed as flawed individuals," pollster Tim Woolstencroft of The Strategic Counsel told CTV.ca on Monday.
[/teaser]
Some interesting numbers there and a link to all results.