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Possible majority Liberal government in range ??
SES CPAC Poll report 12 pt advantage for Liberals 07/12/2005
Polling completed Tuesday December 6th indicates that the Liberals are now at 40% popular support followed by the Conservatives at 28%, the NDP at 17%, the BQ at 11% and the Green Party at 4%. Martin's Performance Index Score increased 10 points on the day of his National Daycare announcement.
SES CPAC Poll report 12 pt advantage for Liberals 07/12/2005
Polling completed Tuesday December 6th indicates that the Liberals are now at 40% popular support followed by the Conservatives at 28%, the NDP at 17%, the BQ at 11% and the Green Party at 4%. Martin's Performance Index Score increased 10 points on the day of his National Daycare announcement.
Well its that big old mean Liberal election machine at work again. 
Imean the cons are stuck at 27,28, 29 % in basically all polls, it is amazing with all the ammo Harper had from Gomery he could not capitalize. I guess people still do not like his policies or his reduce GST or Childcare policy. Bizarre really for a party to be stuck in such a rut.
I was hoping the NDP would hold the balance this time, but the other thing is the Liberals have away of going up in the polls aswe get closer to voting day.
Canadian politics, if anything are very interesting.
Imean the cons are stuck at 27,28, 29 % in basically all polls, it is amazing with all the ammo Harper had from Gomery he could not capitalize. I guess people still do not like his policies or his reduce GST or Childcare policy. Bizarre really for a party to be stuck in such a rut.I was hoping the NDP would hold the balance this time, but the other thing is the Liberals have away of going up in the polls aswe get closer to voting day.
Canadian politics, if anything are very interesting.
They could be peaking too early but you never know.
It could be a few reasons:
A) People have either forgiven, forgotten or do not care about Gomery and know Martin was cleared.
B) People like Liberal policies. (I know this is a stretch)
C) People dislike Conservatives policies so far.
D) People dislike Harper, the "scarey and hidden agenda" label has stuck or people view his policies as such.
E) I believe people want a change, but the Conservatives have offered nothing that would make them a viable alternative, and that is seen with the polls of late. People are scared of Harper and the Conservative party.
F)People may not like, trust or are mad at Liberals at the moment but bite their tongue and vote Liberal just to keep conservatives out. People know the liberals and are familar with them and until Conservatives prove to be a viable alternative to people outside of Alberta we will have Liberal minority's (Which is fine by me as long as NDP hold balance of power) or small Liberal majority's for years to come.
G) The liberals do know how to run and win elections, I hate to say.
It could be a few reasons:
A) People have either forgiven, forgotten or do not care about Gomery and know Martin was cleared.
B) People like Liberal policies. (I know this is a stretch)
C) People dislike Conservatives policies so far.
D) People dislike Harper, the "scarey and hidden agenda" label has stuck or people view his policies as such.
E) I believe people want a change, but the Conservatives have offered nothing that would make them a viable alternative, and that is seen with the polls of late. People are scared of Harper and the Conservative party.
F)People may not like, trust or are mad at Liberals at the moment but bite their tongue and vote Liberal just to keep conservatives out. People know the liberals and are familar with them and until Conservatives prove to be a viable alternative to people outside of Alberta we will have Liberal minority's (Which is fine by me as long as NDP hold balance of power) or small Liberal majority's for years to come.
G) The liberals do know how to run and win elections, I hate to say.
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Stephen Harper Needs to Explain Tax Proposal Math
07/12/2005
from Liberal Party : In his announcement on cutting the GST, Stephen Harper said -
“For an average family of four with an income of $60,000 a year, this would mean about $400 less in taxes, savings they will see every time they go to the gas station, the shopping mall or a restaurant. If when the GST cut is fully implemented the total benefit will of course be much greater.” (Stephen Harper, CTV, December 1, 2005)
Fact:
With a one-percentage-point reduction in GST, a family of four, earning $60,000, would have to spend $40,000 on goods and services after basic household expenses such as mortgage payments and groceries, to get the $400 tax relief Stephen Harper anticipates.
But StatsCan data indicates that an average family earning $60,000 would spend about $25,000 a year of taxable purchases, yielding savings of only about $250 next year under Mr. Harper’s plan.
Is there any possibility that the liberals are somehow writing Harpers speeches. :wink:
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Stephen Harper Needs to Explain Tax Proposal Math
07/12/2005
from Liberal Party : In his announcement on cutting the GST, Stephen Harper said -
“For an average family of four with an income of $60,000 a year, this would mean about $400 less in taxes, savings they will see every time they go to the gas station, the shopping mall or a restaurant. If when the GST cut is fully implemented the total benefit will of course be much greater.” (Stephen Harper, CTV, December 1, 2005)
Fact:
With a one-percentage-point reduction in GST, a family of four, earning $60,000, would have to spend $40,000 on goods and services after basic household expenses such as mortgage payments and groceries, to get the $400 tax relief Stephen Harper anticipates.
But StatsCan data indicates that an average family earning $60,000 would spend about $25,000 a year of taxable purchases, yielding savings of only about $250 next year under Mr. Harper’s plan.
Is there any possibility that the liberals are somehow writing Harpers speeches. :wink:
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From Here
British Columbia Dec 6, 2005- Decima
Libs-33%
Cons-24%
NDP-33%
Green- not reported
Cons seem to be down, imagine that.
Manitoba and Saskatchewan Dec 3,2005 - EKO's
Libs-34%
Cons-27%
NDP-34%
Green-4%
Cons down again in another region.
Alberta- Dec 3, 2005 - EKO's
Libs-21%
Cons-54%
NDP-15%
Green-10%
Cons are down 5 points in Alberta over last poll. They are only at 54% in Alberta, wtf is up with that? I thought they would be higher.
Ontario Dec 6,2005 - SES
Libs-48%
Cons-28%
NDP-19%
Green-5%
The cons were at 34% on Dec 2. What is happening to the Harperites?
Atlantic Canada- Dec 6, 2005 - SES
Libs-58%
Cons-19%
NDP-19%
Green-4%
Dec 3rd- Cons were 30% what is happening? His promises do stink as obviously most Canadians believe, by the drop in Conservative poll numbers everywhere. Unless people really believe Harper is scarey? There has to be a reason why?
Hell Nationally Libs at 40% and Cons at 28%? Even after Gomery and the corruption? Must be bad leadership. Why else is Martin on the bubble of a majority?
At least the NDP is showing good.
British Columbia Dec 6, 2005- Decima
Libs-33%
Cons-24%
NDP-33%
Green- not reported
Cons seem to be down, imagine that.
Manitoba and Saskatchewan Dec 3,2005 - EKO's
Libs-34%
Cons-27%
NDP-34%
Green-4%
Cons down again in another region.
Alberta- Dec 3, 2005 - EKO's
Libs-21%
Cons-54%
NDP-15%
Green-10%
Cons are down 5 points in Alberta over last poll. They are only at 54% in Alberta, wtf is up with that? I thought they would be higher.
Ontario Dec 6,2005 - SES
Libs-48%
Cons-28%
NDP-19%
Green-5%
The cons were at 34% on Dec 2. What is happening to the Harperites?
Atlantic Canada- Dec 6, 2005 - SES
Libs-58%
Cons-19%
NDP-19%
Green-4%
Dec 3rd- Cons were 30% what is happening? His promises do stink as obviously most Canadians believe, by the drop in Conservative poll numbers everywhere. Unless people really believe Harper is scarey? There has to be a reason why?
Hell Nationally Libs at 40% and Cons at 28%? Even after Gomery and the corruption? Must be bad leadership. Why else is Martin on the bubble of a majority?
At least the NDP is showing good.
Another Conservative Claim, Another Conservative Mistake
07/12/2005
from Liberal Party :
The Conservative Party in a release today stated that “disposable income has not increased in 12 years.”
Fact: After allowing for inflation, the average Canadian family’s income was 8 per cent higher in 2003 than in 1993. ►
I don't think the Conservatives can keep on like this and hope to win.
07/12/2005
from Liberal Party :
The Conservative Party in a release today stated that “disposable income has not increased in 12 years.”
Fact: After allowing for inflation, the average Canadian family’s income was 8 per cent higher in 2003 than in 1993. ►
I don't think the Conservatives can keep on like this and hope to win.
Actually, the Conservatives are kind of right. First of all, they should be going back to just before the Mulroney/Thatcher/Reagan triumvirate, when most of the wage-erosion happened. Second of all, they need to look at the increase of people making less and the amount of money that the top wage-earners make.
The Conservatives can't really play that game though because their policies would transfer even more money from the working class to the rich while cutting the programs that working class people depend on, making the Conservatives even worse than the Liberals.
I really don't know who the CPC strategists are, but somebody should fire them and hire somebody competent. They never should have gone near this issue.
The Conservatives can't really play that game though because their policies would transfer even more money from the working class to the rich while cutting the programs that working class people depend on, making the Conservatives even worse than the Liberals.
I really don't know who the CPC strategists are, but somebody should fire them and hire somebody competent. They never should have gone near this issue.
MMMike
Harper did say that incomes hadn't risen when, according to Statistics Canada, they have. I don't know who is going to win this election but if the Conservatives keep this sort of thing up, it won't be them. Personally, I think Harper is going to push the Liberals into another majority government, and that should be the end of Harper.
Harper did say that incomes hadn't risen when, according to Statistics Canada, they have. I don't know who is going to win this election but if the Conservatives keep this sort of thing up, it won't be them. Personally, I think Harper is going to push the Liberals into another majority government, and that should be the end of Harper.
It is starting to look like a Liberal majority is forming up. That comes largely because of Harper's announcements, not because of Martin's.
It's also a very bad thing. A liberal majority means that there will be no chance of parliamentary reform, little chance of fixing our healthcare system, and more talk with no action when it comes to the environment.
It's also a very bad thing. A liberal majority means that there will be no chance of parliamentary reform, little chance of fixing our healthcare system, and more talk with no action when it comes to the environment.
Rev
The Liberals have certainly won a majority before with forty percent of the popular vote. It is still early but I can't see Harper doing much to change things even though we have forty odd days to go before the election. If Harper keeps shooting himself in the foot, hell, the NDP could be the official opposition. The Bloc's stranglehold on Quebec also seems to be slipping.
The Liberals have certainly won a majority before with forty percent of the popular vote. It is still early but I can't see Harper doing much to change things even though we have forty odd days to go before the election. If Harper keeps shooting himself in the foot, hell, the NDP could be the official opposition. The Bloc's stranglehold on Quebec also seems to be slipping.
That would be cool. We'd have an effective opposition for a change.
Go to StatsCan and look it up, MMMikey.
We are doing well in the kind of things that business measures, Juan. My concern is that we really suck bad on environmental issues (which could actually be used to grow the economy even more) and on things like child poverty.
Doing well economically isn't the whole picture.
On the other hand, the Liberals are at least nominally better than the Conservatives on those other issues.
Doing well economically isn't the whole picture.
On the other hand, the Liberals are at least nominally better than the Conservatives on those other issues.
My biggest concern
is greenhouse gasses. I don't think Kyoto goes far enough and our big, stupid, neighbor to the south refuses to go anywhere. It is sad when we just carry on screwing up the world for our grandchildren.
We will always have poverty to some degree. What bothers me is that the people who put the numbers together include 12 and13 year olds who have run away from home and are living on welfare. Runaway children should be picked up and taken home, or to foster homes. We have to get these kids early or they will be producing the next generation of poverty stricken children. A big part our problem right now is that we have too many minimum wage sweatshops. Who can even live on minimum wage? Meanwhile Wal-Mart and others are growing like flipping ameobas. ameobi ?
is greenhouse gasses. I don't think Kyoto goes far enough and our big, stupid, neighbor to the south refuses to go anywhere. It is sad when we just carry on screwing up the world for our grandchildren.
We will always have poverty to some degree. What bothers me is that the people who put the numbers together include 12 and13 year olds who have run away from home and are living on welfare. Runaway children should be picked up and taken home, or to foster homes. We have to get these kids early or they will be producing the next generation of poverty stricken children. A big part our problem right now is that we have too many minimum wage sweatshops. Who can even live on minimum wage? Meanwhile Wal-Mart and others are growing like flipping ameobas. ameobi ?
Damn those Americans.
Kyoto Failing to Curb Canadian Emissions
According to the September 8 edition of Toronto's Globe and Mail, Canada's greenhouse gas emissions have increased at a faster rate than emissions in the United States since 1990. The figures show Canada's emissions have grown by 20 percent, while America's have risen by only 14 percent.
Noted the Globe and Mail, "Even though the United States has been vilified by environmentalists for withdrawing from the Kyoto accord, it's doing a better job of cutting greenhouse emissions than Canada, figures show."
Harlan Watson, chief climate negotiator for the U.S. State Department, said the figures showed how difficult it is to reduce emissions. He told the Globe and Mail, "As we say, actions speak louder than signing pieces of paper.
As usual, the Liberals are big on speeches,studies,surveys, and negotiations but small on results.
Kyoto Failing to Curb Canadian Emissions
According to the September 8 edition of Toronto's Globe and Mail, Canada's greenhouse gas emissions have increased at a faster rate than emissions in the United States since 1990. The figures show Canada's emissions have grown by 20 percent, while America's have risen by only 14 percent.
Noted the Globe and Mail, "Even though the United States has been vilified by environmentalists for withdrawing from the Kyoto accord, it's doing a better job of cutting greenhouse emissions than Canada, figures show."
Harlan Watson, chief climate negotiator for the U.S. State Department, said the figures showed how difficult it is to reduce emissions. He told the Globe and Mail, "As we say, actions speak louder than signing pieces of paper.
As usual, the Liberals are big on speeches,studies,surveys, and negotiations but small on results.