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AnnaG

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AnnaG, I could quote you just as many or even more references on how to boil water. Which is about as scientific as politics.

"Political science" is promoted, required and believed by those who falsified history.

A degree in political "science" is about as valuable as a degree in basket weaving or baby-sitting. No, wait, baby-sitting needs skills.
Again, a comment born of unbounded ignorance.
Like I said, you know extremely little of it, yet you presume to say what it is. :tard: Hilarious.

Political science is not politics in the sense you seem to be referring to. But I cannot expect you to understand that; it being too deep for you.
 

Tonington

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I wonder what a political scientist would say about this type of policy:

The Arizona Law should have been:

Land mines along the border.
Shoot on sight and shoot to kill.

This method worked incredibly well for the former Soviet Union and its satellite enslaved countries to keep people in. There is no reason to think it could not work equally well to keep people out.

I'd say the person is insane, but I'm not a political scientist, so I'm not sure what the correct terminology is in this case...
 

YukonJack

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AnnaG, you are a typical liberal!

in the abscence of anything logical or rational you pull out the "superiority" card.
"Political Science"? Invention of the truly ignorant for self-glorification.

Kind of similar to the other losers using the "race" card. Like your idol, The Anointed One.

Tonnington, can you argue the unqualified success of the Soviet Union and its sattellites in keeping their borders safe? If the method worked there and then why should not it work here and now?
 

Tonington

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Tonnington, can you argue the unqualified success of the Soviet Union and its sattellites in keeping their borders safe? If the method worked there and then why should not it work here and now?

As usual you're missing the point. The point is that such a policy is highly authoritarian. It's hegemonic to the max. I don't really wish to live in a state with such authoritarian practices, and I have no idea why you would like to either. I mean countries with Sharia Law like Saudi Arabia have lower crime rates than we do too. Does that mean we should do as they do? Do you endorse that kind of authority here as well?
 

YukonJack

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Tonnington, it is you who is missing the point. What is authoritarian about protecting one's country? Why is keeping unwanted rabble who ruin your educational and health system out, hegemonic?

The Soviet method was almost 100% successful. The citizens of the Soviet states were denied their freedom in many ways, but one thing they never had to worry about was border security.

I can sympathize with your concern for those who live in slave states. Unlike you I lived it. The unfortunate people of Cuba, China, VietNam still do.

Can you quote just once where I said that I would welcome Sharia Law? The jackals who time after time claim that I hate Muslims would surely love to see that.

The bottom line is that no matter what they do in the States about illegal immigration, if the border is not secure it is all in vain.

Kind of like the flood in your basement is not not stopped or dried up until and unless you fix the cracked pipe and stop the leak.

No political science degree needed to figure that out.
 

petros

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Kind of like the flood in your basement is not not stopped or dried up until and unless you fix the cracked pipe and stop the leak.

No political science degree needed to figure that out.

Speaking of floods, water flow and leaks stopped....is that why the US cut off ALL the rivers that used flow into Mexico where they could have grown their own food and fed themselves? Or was it better to cut off that water and eliminate the competition in the food supply game leaving you competition starving and jobless?
 

Tonington

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Tonnington, it is you who is missing the point. What is authoritarian about protecting one's country?

Shooting people on sight, no questions asked? I'd call that authoritarian. The authoritarianism in the USSR was pervasive.

Can you quote just once where I said that I would welcome Sharia Law? The jackals who time after time claim that I hate Muslims would surely love to see that.

See, again you missed the point. I will explain it then so you can see the parallel here.

You are advocating for the USSR policy because it worked. Well, Sharia Law keeps crime rates low in Saudi Arabia too.

I am saying that given what you're advocating here, you're advocating that the ends justify the means.

I know very well that you're not in favour of Sharia Law...
 

YukonJack

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Tonnington, your point is well taken.

And I say, yes, the end justifies the means if it is the matter of national security and survival. So, the Soviet method of border security is certainly an option - maybe the ONLY option - that is worth considering seeing that everything else, so far, has failed.

Sharia Law is not only NOT an option, in any civilized society it should NEVER be an option.
 

Tonington

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And I would argue that in a civilized society, we don't need to shoot on site anyone found within 100 meters of a fenced wall.
 

YukonJack

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"And I would argue that in a civilized society, we don't need to shoot on site anyone found within 100 meters of a fenced wall."

And I would agree too, if an uncivilized society where the poor are treated like dirt by the rich, where the poor are given no choice, where the economy depends on money sent over by hard working people, where the ruling class does not even look like the people who try to make a better living in America, would respect their own people and give them a chance to succeed in their own country.
 

Machjo

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Economic Left/Right: -1.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.18

I have to say though that way too many questions on there were quite open to interpretation, thus making this test and its results very unreliable.

I could probably take this test a few times over and get a different answer each time even if I answered honestly and sincerely each time but merely understood the questions differently.
 

YukonJack

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The fact of the matter is that if the Mexicans have any self-respect and any respect of their own citizens they would be the ones putting up a fence in order to keep what all civilized countries consider their most precious resoursce, their own people, in.
 

petros

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Tonnington, your point is well taken.

And I say, yes, the end justifies the means if it is the matter of national security and survival. So, the Soviet method of border security is certainly an option - maybe the ONLY option - that is worth considering seeing that everything else, so far, has failed.

Sharia Law is not only NOT an option, in any civilized society it should NEVER be an option.
Well lets go and kick some Chicano ass in Brandon Soviet style. Let's see how a real man like yourself protects his borders. It's right in your backyard, here is your chance to prove yourself a real Canadian hero.
 

s_lone

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My results, whatever they are worth



Too many questions had me wanting to answer ''neither agree or disagree... it all depends on the context''