Political commentary on court verdicts hurts views of justice system: lawyers

Twin_Moose

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No need to shout, the fact that Stanley is still facing firearm charges has not made it to the media in these parts, in fact there has been very little coverage at all until this verdict. I can't even speculate on the reasons all charges weren't presented at trial unless the Crown is proceeding with a summary conviction rather than an indictment, or there are underlying strategic reasons. All I have seen too is that they are proceeding with unsafe storage but no mention of unsafe use. The reason I say unsafe storage is a stretch is that there are so many defenses to such a charge you would think the Crown would go after something with a better chance of conviction. Prosecutors, in Ontario especially, have a habit of throwing in every conceivable charge in hopes that at least one will stick.

It wasn't meant as a shout but to emphasis, Stanley is pretty much guilty of unsafe storage on a few of his rifles, it was reported that they found them leaned up on a wall. His handguns I believe were reported to be in a box storage not sure if locked or not.
 

Murphy

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In this particular case...which is BS, and yes it is a criticism of the fact Stanley was not convicted..........

Geez, don't go all obtuse on me.

This needs to be said over and over. Hoid is a contrarian and a troll. He rarely provides proof for his arguments. He gets his jollys from twisting the words of others. He is painfully easy to catch in a lie. He deals with being caught by ignoring the individual, or denying that he said what he was caught posting.

He strikes me as a spoiled 14 year old. I invite you to check his posts. He isn't worth trying to reason with. Like some others here, he is a childish troll.
 

JLM

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It wasn't meant as a shout but to emphasis, Stanley is pretty much guilty of unsafe storage on a few of his rifles, it was reported that they found them leaned up on a wall. His handguns I believe were reported to be in a box storage not sure if locked or not.
Do you think storage rules should be as strict on a farm as they should be in a house in the city?

It's Colpy.

No one is allowed to be a blow hard but him.

Contrary to you he usually makes some sense!
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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All First Nations people dismissed from jury selection by the defense.

But race played no part in this.

Because I am an Ignore Lister and that is how smart I am.

That is the defendant's right to dismiss any juror he chooses for whatever reason. He has a right to be heard by his peers. I think the crown can also dismiss jurors.
 

JLM

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Quite frankly after all the virtue-signalling towards FN's that our ill-advised PM is guilty of, I would have been more surprised had he kept his mouth shut. That would have been the right thing to do.

The man is an idiot, Mowich. We really shouldn't even comment on him.
 

pgs

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That is the defendant's right to dismiss any juror he chooses for whatever reason. He has a right to be heard by his peers. I think the crown can also dismiss jurors.
Personally I think Native people are no more thrilled about sitting on a jury then any one else .
 

10larry

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Appears this decision runs counter to justyns'strategy of harvesting fn votes not to mention a little ice being tossed on his pc fervour. I'm curious why a handful of canucks sitting on a jury are not considered the accused peers, canadians all. Wish justyn would clear this up and reveal his fairer judicial system, maybe jury foremen will hafta submit verdicts to pmo for approval before the judge reads it. Mandating jury populace favour the accuseds ethnic profile not only challenges libs diversity gospel but would unlock pandoras' box.
 

Murphy

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I think it was a matter of Justin opening his mouth before he engaged his brain.

Politicians aren't supposed to render a personal opinion of specific trial verdicts. Any trouble that comes as the result of the court decision must be borne, in part, by the PM's office. I've no doubt that his advisors have spoken to him about it, but the damage has been done.
 

JLM

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How is something that gets said after a verdict tampering with that verdict?


The people of Canada are supposed to be running the show.

These institutions are just expressions of the will of the people.

It is not the will of the people that justice be denied to anyone.

This is my understanding of how the country is supposed to work. If the justice system is not delivering justice it is appropriate that our parliament address that issue.

You obviously have a lot to learn about the justice system. It's not perfect by any means but it's not going to be fixed by the average yokel on the street who has had no formal education in the discipline of law.
 

justlooking

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Well I have not said he should have been convicted.

I have said there were no First Nations people on the jury.

This is only your opinion, and supported by any facts.
Details of the jury are is not public information.
And no I don't accept the racist rants of the family, crying about all white jury.
There is enough intermixing, some you can't tell anymore.

So, no facts, as usual.

That is the defendant's right to dismiss any juror he chooses for whatever reason. He has a right to be heard by his peers. I think the crown can also dismiss jurors.

Up to 12 for each side can be dismissed without justification.

Personally I think Native people are no more thrilled about sitting on a jury then any one else .

500 people did not even show up for jury call. Have to ask why that is.
 

Hoid

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It's only me who is mentioning the lack of first nations on the jury?

You need to grow up.

Everyone in the country is talking about it including the minister of justice and the premier of Saskatchewan and the Prime Minister of Canada.


I can see where all these years of climate change denial comes in handy around here.
 
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Colpy

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It's only me who is mentioning the lack of first nations on the jury?

You need to grow up.

Everyone in the country is talking about it including the minister of justice and the premier of Saskatchewan and the Prime Minister of Canada.


I can see where all these years of climate change denial comes in handy around here.

And the Minister of Justice and the PM should be slapped in the mouth.

As well as the premier.

The jurors can not (by law) defend themselves as they are labelled as racists.

It is obvious the idiots listed above are criticized a specific jury decision.

AND the Supreme Court has already weighed in on FN presence on juries, just back in 2015.

The usual stupididy and inappropriate behaviour we have come to expect from this gov't.
 

Hoid

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Once again - the verdict is not the issue.

I get the feeling this is going to be another climate change thing, where you simply will not be able too get it.
 

petros

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You would have been disqualified as a Juror Cliff.

From

Question 6 on the Juror questionnaire:

https://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/courts/jury/instructions.php

Controlled Drugs and Substances Act

Possession of 30 grams or less of cannabis (marihuana) or 1 gram or less of cannabis resin — Section 4(5)

All other Criminal Code or Controlled Drugs and Substances Act offences can be prosecuted by way of indictment and you should therefore answer “Yes”.


That's you Cliff.