Pierre Poilievre’s callous courting of Canada’s ‘deplorables’ (left wing in full panic mode)

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Regarding CPP contributions, at what point is enough? How much more are we expected to pay into the CPP off of one's pay cheque and for employers to do the same? How much is enough?
We most have equality of outcome in some peoples mind , personally I like equality of opportunity.
 

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Exactly!! Equality of opportunity is what it's all about. It puts the onus on the person involved rather than the claim that "it's someone else's fault" that I didn't get a good education, a good job, et al. It's also ridiculous to assume that everyone is entitled to everything. Jealousy is rampant in our society in that if someone does well, they've obviously oppressed someone to get where they are. Seriously? Hard work and a good idea has no part of this?

So if one has not done well, why is it my fault? Why is it "society's fault?"

What are they doing to better themselves? What are they doing to rectify their situation?
 

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In the past CPP payments were designed to equal one quarter of your average lifetime income. With the enhancement program now underway they will increase that to one third by 2025.
 
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In the past CPP payments were designed to equal one quarter of your average lifetime income. With the enhancement program now underway they will increase that to one third by 2025.
The "before Liberals could raid the CPP" and the "after Harper made it illegal for Liberals to raid the CPP fund" difference.

Payments to stakeholders should rise after the stellar job the now independent CPP Investment Board has done over the past 10 years of freedom.
 

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What would Canada’s NDP look like if it ceased to be its own distinct party, and instead operated as a phalange of the governing Liberals? Would New Democratic principles, initiatives and behaviours be perceptibly different from what the party is offering Canadians now?

If, one day, the NDP morphed from its current role as the figurative progressive flank of the Liberal Party, to the literal progressive flank of the Liberal Party – would anyone notice? Or would it take NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh donning a red tie and belting out a Queen song in a hotel lobby before the public realized that the two parties had become one?

The NDP will occasionally protest: “Hey, that was our idea first!” Each time, though, they will yield that idea to the Liberals and replace that hitherto occupied space with nothing. The final forfeiture of the party’s leverage and autonomy came through the confidence-and-supply non-coalition coalition agreement it reached with the Liberals in March, when the NDP promised to back the government until 2025; in exchange, the Liberals would implement certain NDP initiatives, such as dental care, and inevitably claim all the credit all their own, etc…the rest at the link.
 

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What would Canada’s NDP look like if it ceased to be its own distinct party, and instead operated as a phalange of the governing Liberals? Would New Democratic principles, initiatives and behaviours be perceptibly different from what the party is offering Canadians now?

If, one day, the NDP morphed from its current role as the figurative progressive flank of the Liberal Party, to the literal progressive flank of the Liberal Party – would anyone notice? Or would it take NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh donning a red tie and belting out a Queen song in a hotel lobby before the public realized that the two parties had become one?

The NDP will occasionally protest: “Hey, that was our idea first!” Each time, though, they will yield that idea to the Liberals and replace that hitherto occupied space with nothing. The final forfeiture of the party’s leverage and autonomy came through the confidence-and-supply non-coalition coalition agreement it reached with the Liberals in March, when the NDP promised to back the government until 2025; in exchange, the Liberals would implement certain NDP initiatives, such as dental care, and inevitably claim all the credit all their own, etc…the rest at the link.
As I said all along , if the NDP supported the protesters and forced an election they would have picked up enough seats to sit in opposition. They buckled because their party coffers were empty .
 

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As I said all along , if the NDP supported the protesters and forced an election they would have picked up enough seats to sit in opposition. They buckled because their party coffers were empty .
Oh Christ….Jagnutz was in lockstep with Trudork Days before the first truck arrived in Ottawa. This was more than empty pockets, and more like anti-democratic woke bullshit ‘cuz someone DARED to have an opinion contrary to anything right of Bernie Sanders.

The only good thing about the Ottawa protest is it exposed the extent to which the NDP & Liberals where in bed with each other, and brought the non-coalition coalition out from under the refrigerator.
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Oh Christ….Jagnutz was in lockstep with Trudork Days before the first truck arrived in Ottawa. This was more than empty pockets, and more like anti-democratic woke bullshit ‘cuz someone DARED to have an opinion contrary to anything right of Bernie Sanders.

The only good thing about the Ottawa protest is it exposed the extent to which the NDP & Liberals where in bed with each other, and brought the non-coalition coalition out from under the refrigerator.
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But how can they maintain electoral support in this fashion ? Sure the sitting members get their six golden years , then what ?
 

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But how can they maintain electoral support in this fashion ? Sure the sitting members get their six golden years , then what ?
Then who cares ‘cuz they got their golden parachute & they’re out…drop the mic…done like dinner…& damn the torpedoes…& who gives a fecal matter about electoral support ‘cuz they’re set for life with an inflation indexed gov’t pension ‘till death do them part from this plain of woke existence. God…I need to go to bed.
 

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For a man who’s supposedly divisive and ripping apart the Conservative Party, Pierre Poilievre seems to be building a lot of bridges. It’s less than two weeks since he won the Conservative Party leadership, taking 68% of the points, but he’s made time to reach out to rivals and past leaders in that time.

His efforts so far have surprised and impressed one-time critics.

Poilievre reached out to Jean Charest’s camp shortly after the leadership race ended, culminating in a phone call with Charest himself. A close advisor of Charest described it as a cordial chat, and Poilievre made clear that anyone working on Charest’s team is still welcome within the party — including those looking for a staff job in Poilievre’s office.

Last week, Poilievre met with O’Toole and even asked for advice. The report I received of the discussion was one where the two men listened to each other and compared notes with respect.

On Monday night, not long after the official ceremony in Ottawa to mark the passing of Queen Elizabeth II, an important if unofficial dinner happened. Pierre Poilievre and his wife Ana hosted Brian and Mila Mulroney for dinner.

There’s been an ongoing narrative that Poilievre wouldn’t be able to attract old-school Mulroney-era Tories, and yet here was the former PM dropping in at Stornoway. The dinner lasted much longer than expected, according to sources, with both couples enjoying getting to know each other.

The Conservatives shouldn’t be hiding old leaders come election time; they should be bringing them out like the Liberals have with Chretien (and Obama?). Having Mulroney onside in Quebec, or Atlantic Canada – even in Toronto business circles – can do wonders for Poilievre.

Speaking of Atlantic Canada, Poilievre also reached out to Peter MacKay, the co-founder of the modern Conservative Party, and a former PC leader and Harper cabinet minister.

MacKay still maintains a strong network not just in Nova Scotia but across the Maritimes. It would be wise for Poilievre to nurture these relationships, to draw on those networks as he builds a team to try and beat Trudeau (unlike Singh, who’s trying to beat Poilievre???).

He’s been following through and making peace with people he has done battle with, and people who expressed reservations about his leadership or his tone.

That kind of news is good for anyone who wants the Conservatives to be united in defeating Trudeau and the Liberals. It’s the type of news that should make Trudeau worried (…& apparently Jagmeet Singh, who’s NDP’er are paying for attack ads against Poilievre when they can’t financially separate themselves from the Liberals who are currently the actual governing party that the NPD are in opposition to???).
 

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Jugmeat should be kissing CPC ass if they want to be a viable opposition party.
Can't tho. You can't argue that the CPC is correct and the liberals are shit while at the same time you're the only thing keeping the liberals in power.

He'll take the occasional pot shot at the libs but his focus will be on preventing the CPC from eating his lunch by stealing young people who've realized that the NDP isn't going to do anything for them.

When the ndp is ready for an election (which will be AFTER jaggers gets his pension) THEN they'll start trash talking the libs hardcore and break the deal and go hard at the libs. But that won't be till after 2023, so MAYBE sometime in 2024? Unless he just wants to ride it out then retire?
 

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Jugmeat should be kissing CPC ass if they want to be a viable opposition party.
Can't tho. You can't argue that the CPC is correct and the liberals are shit while at the same time you're the only thing keeping the liberals in power.

He'll take the occasional pot shot at the libs but his focus will be on preventing the CPC from eating his lunch…
…by stealing young people who've realized that the NDP isn't going to do anything for them….
OTTAWA — Pierre Poilievre’s former campaign co-chair, John Baird, thinks the NDP is lashing out against the new Tory leader because he is eating their “lunch” among working-class voters and could pose a threat for New Democrats in the next federal election in Ontario and B.C.

That helps explain why Jagmeet, Who in theory is in the opposition to the current government (except for the non-coalition coalition’s coalition?) is attacking the other opposition party instead of fulfilling their roll as opposition to gov’t.

Currently Jagmeet Singh is the NDP leader and the Non-Critic of governmental affairs. Niki Ashton is the Non-Critic of National Revenue & Deputy Non-Critic of Indigenous Services, etc…you see where I’m going here? Even the names of the current portfolios in the NDP cabinet are hypocritical jokes.
 

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Currently Jagmeet Singh is the NDP leader and the Non-Critic of governmental affairs.
Niki Ashton is the Non-Critic of National Revenue & Deputy Non-Critic of Indigenous Services, etc

LOL - well yeah. It's an open joke. And Jaggers is going to have to wear it for a time. He may try to buck that at the end and rear up in a fit of righteous indignation at the evils of the libs and try to pretend that the non-Coalition-Coalition wasn't a thing but if history is an indicator he'll take a beating in the next election over it, and meanwhile young people ARE leaving the ndp to look at what PP has to offer because they're pretty much sick of living in their parents basements.
 
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Exactly.

I mean, Trudeau deserves a lot of flack for the stupid crap he's done, don't get me wrong. But this "Fuck Trudeau" stuff while "Trump Is Awesome!" when they're both doing the same type of shit just really does not compute.
In what way are they the same? Please elucidate your opinion....because I don't see any comparison at all. One is a selfish narcissist who calls everyone names, the other actually cares about his country (even if he is crude at times - poor wittle people who get their feelings hurt - can't stand him), even tho' he works for those who hate him as well as those who support him.