Passing Health Care Reform in the Senate

[ironsides]

I still would not upset the whole healthcare system with something that just requires more dedication of money and resources. Why it has gotten this bad, I do not know. I still would not change to a 'National Healthcare System" to fix it though. Over kill. We have the money to fix it now, there is no reason for us to have the child mortality rate we have.

"America is among the industrialized world's worst victims of infant mortality, teenage pregnancy and child poverty, even though it spends more per child than better-performing countries such as Switzerland, Japan and the Netherlands, a new survey indicates."
US fares poorly in child welfare survey - Yahoo! News

 

[#juan]

Congressman Mike Rogers' opening statement on Health Care reform in Washington D.C.
YouTube - Congressman Mike Rogers' opening statement on Health Care reform in Washington D.C.

Mike Rogers is a spin artist who doesn't want to inconvenience the insurance companies.
Decent health care for everyone would cost less not more.

 

[ironsides]

Decent healthcare would cost less, but not the way the Democrats want to do it. Any one of those stimulus packages would have been more than enough to make sure that every man, women and child had health insurance. Now there gone, solid money is going fast..

 

[#juan]

Decent healthcare would cost less, but not the way the Democrats want to do it. Any one of those stimulus packages would have been more than enough to make sure that every man, women and child had health insurance. Now there gone, solid money is going fast..

It appears to me that Democrats and Republicans hate each other and that party affiliation is the biggest impediment to progress in this matter. Obama is not trying to screw the people who have health care. He is trying to save them money......The money the insurance companies are robbing from everyone every day.

 

[ironsides]

Obama is going to take $500 billion from Medicare to fund the uninsured. These people on Medicare now have paid all their lives into the program and expect the goverment to keep its promise to them. It does seem that the two parties hate each other, look how many times Bush's name keeps popping up, he is gone. One can only blame those in power now for what is happening now.
"Obama proposed cutting over $500 billion from Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans. He is advocating a tougher Medicare Payment Advisory Commission, modeled after the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Commission. The commission’s cost-cutting recommendations would be adopted unless blocked by a vote of both houses of Congress."
Obama Turns Up Volume on Health Care - AARP Bulletin Today

 

[#juan]

Obama is going to take $500 billion from Medicare to fund the uninsured. These people on Medicare now have paid all their lives into the program and expect the goverment to keep its promise to them. It does seem that the two parties hate each other, look how many times Bush's name keeps popping up, he is gone. One can only blame those in power now for what is happening now.
"Obama proposed cutting over $500 billion from Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans. He is advocating a tougher Medicare Payment Advisory Commission, modeled after the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Commission. The commission’s cost-cutting recommendations would be adopted unless blocked by a vote of both houses of Congress."
Obama Turns Up Volume on Health Care - AARP Bulletin Today

Ironsides in the link you provided the article says Obama and the top economists agree that the healthcare system you have right now cannot be sustained unless something is done. You can see from that same link that your healthcare system costs twice as much per capita as systems other countries have that work better. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

 

[ironsides]

"Cannot be sustained unless something is done" does not mean completely change it. What I suggested would fix it nicely. (just plug the holes with a new influx of money, not taking it from one group for another)

 

[#juan]

"Cannot be sustained unless something is done" does not mean completely change it. What I suggested would fix it nicely. (just plug the holes with a new influx of money, not taking it from one group for another)

As someone on the outside looking in, it seems obvious that you have to get the insurance companies out of health care. They are taking out a zillion dollars in profits that the system can't afford, and that is why it is going down the drain.

 

[ironsides]

As someone on the outside looking in, it seems obvious that you have to get the insurance companies out of health care. They are taking out a zillion dollars in profits that the system can't afford, and that is why it is going down the drain.

Insurance companies are the big problem, but not the only one. They do just about decide the prices of just about everything, including who and what gets paid. No question about it, they must be regulated. But if regulation is anything like we get in Florida with home insurance we are in a lot of trouble. seems that the state senate approves just about every increase they ask for. Regulated insurance is my biggest home expense. (mortgage is paid up )

 

[ironsides]

The U.S. treats almost all cancer's much better with a higher survival rate than the United Kingdom or Canada. Then again big brother knows best. Destroying/changing insurance for 85% of Americans just to give some coverage to the other 15%, it is not really worth the cost they plan to spend. Cheaper to fix than replace, that includes the insurance companies. This is not a Democratic or Republican issue, what Congressman Mike Rogers said is just stating fact.

 

[#juan]

The U.S. treats almost all cancer's much better with a higher survival rate than the United Kingdom or Canada. Then again big brother knows best. Destroying/changing insurance for 85% of Americans just to give some coverage to the other 15%, it is not really worth the cost they plan to spend. Cheaper to fix than replace, that includes the insurance companies. This is not a Democratic or Republican issue, what Congressman Mike Rogers said is just stating fact.

Ironsides that sounds really narrow. I've read a lot about the changes Obama wants to make and the only people they will hurt are the insurance companies who have been screwing you for years and you will end up paying less and everybody will be covered.

 

[ironsides]

I have no idea what health plan Obama has finally settled on, but in the original there was mention of rationing. This is not what the majority want, yes the poor do want and need some form of National Health Care, but you do not take health care from those who have it, thus increasing their costs either directly or thru taxes. We now have great health care though maybe expensive to some, but how much is ones life to ones self. As I previously mentioned, insurance companies are a big problem and need some sort of control and monitoring.

"Obama's health care rationing"

President Obama admitted he wants the government to decide what health care Americans receive. "There's always going to be an asymmetry of information between patient and provider," he said. "And part of what I think government can do effectively is to be an honest broker in assessing and evaluating treatment options."

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/01/obamas-health-care-rationing/

"Obama Will Ration Your Health Care"

"The prognosis is not good for patients, physicians or taxpayers. If Mr. Daschle meant what he wrote in his book "Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis," Americans can expect a quick, hard push to build more federal bureaucracy, impose price controls, restrict medicines and technology, boost taxes, mandate the purchase of health insurance, and expand government health care."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123060332638041525.html


Rationing Health Care
http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/21/rationing-health-care-opinions-contributors-scott-atlas.html

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[#juan]

I have no idea what health plan Obama has finally settled on, but in the original there was mention of rationing. This is not what the majority want, yes the poor do want and need some form of National Health Care, but you do not take health care from those who have it, thus increasing their costs either directly or thru taxes. We now have great health care though maybe expensive to some, but how much is ones life to ones self. As I previously mentioned, insurance companies are a big problem and need some sort of control and monitoring.

"Obama's health care rationing"

President Obama admitted he wants the government to decide what health care Americans receive. "There's always going to be an asymmetry of information between patient and provider," he said. "And part of what I think government can do effectively is to be an honest broker in assessing and evaluating treatment options."

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/01/obamas-health-care-rationing/

"Obama Will Ration Your Health Care"

"The prognosis is not good for patients, physicians or taxpayers. If Mr. Daschle meant what he wrote in his book "Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis," Americans can expect a quick, hard push to build more federal bureaucracy, impose price controls, restrict medicines and technology, boost taxes, mandate the purchase of health insurance, and expand government health care."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123060332638041525.html


Rationing Health Care
http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/21/rationing-health-care-opinions-contributors-scott-atlas.html

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You know, I can see many ways that the U.S. could save money on a single payer health care system. The accounting alone would save hundreds of millions of dollars.
The way your system is going right now, it is unsustainable and in a few years, more and more people will be without coverage. I don't know why the Republicans like the system so much when it clearly doesn't work when so many dollars are sucked out of the system by the insurance companies.
As I've said before, I have raised a family and watched our system grow and evolve to where it is now. All the little medical problems my kids had, up to my open heart surgery. We are generally quite happy with what we have.

 

[shadowshiv]

All I have to say about the US Health Care system is this. If my sister had been born in the US instead of Canada she would have died because there is no way in hell that my parents could have afforded the care that she required when she was born premature.

 

[pgs]

You know, I can see many ways that the U.S. could save money on a single payer health care system. The accounting alone would save hundreds of millions of dollars.
The way your system is going right now, it is unsustainable and in a few years, more and more people will be without coverage. I don't know why the Republicans like the system so much when it clearly doesn't work when so many dollars are sucked out of the system by the insurance companies.
As I've said before, I have raised a family and watched our system grow and evolve to where it is now. All the little medical problems my kids had, up to my open heart surgery. We are generally quite happy with what we have.

Yes Juan tell that to the good people of Victoria and Vancouver island who have had wait times for MRI jump from 6 to 12 months.
I am sure Americans are waiting for this service with baited breath.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

You know, I can see many ways that the U.S. could save money on a single payer health care system. The accounting alone would save hundreds of millions of dollars.

Juan, I remember reading that there are 1500 insurance companies in USA which give out medical insurance. Each has its own form to fill out, the administration is horrendous. A doctor almost has to hire a full time accounts executive to keep track of accounts receivables.

In Canada by contrast, there is a single payer. The billing goes to OHIP (in our case) once or twice a month on a diskette or via the modem (OHIP doesn’t trust the internet). That is the end of administration. It takes perhaps one hour a day to enter the billing of a Family Physician (less than that for a specialist, since he sees fewer patients). Accounts receivable is small part of the job of one secretary.

 

[#juan]

Yes Juan tell that to the good people of Victoria and Vancouver island who have had wait times for MRI jump from 6 to 12 months.
I am sure Americans are waiting for this service with baited breath.

I live on Vancouver Island and I haven't seen anything like that. Me and my friends are getting older now and quite a few of my crowd have had by-pass surgery and MRI services without the wait times you talk about.

 

[ironsides]

All I have to say about the US Health Care system is this. If my sister had been born in the US instead of Canada she would have died because there is no way in hell that my parents could have afforded the care that she required when she was born premature.

You sister would not have died, as I have mentioned before children are coverd up to the age of 18 and if someone has a disability, they have medical coverage all their life.

 

[ironsides]

You know, I can see many ways that the U.S. could save money on a single payer health care system. The accounting alone would save hundreds of millions of dollars.
The way your system is going right now, it is unsustainable and in a few years, more and more people will be without coverage. I don't know why the Republicans like the system so much when it clearly doesn't work when so many dollars are sucked out of the system by the insurance companies.
As I've said before, I have raised a family and watched our system grow and evolve to where it is now. All the little medical problems my kids had, up to my open heart surgery. We are generally quite happy with what we have.

Look at all the dollars that have been and are now being sucked out of the system. It is not only Republicans who like the system we have now, it is the 85% who have a decent health plan and do not want to change it. have to give up something in order for the other 15% to get their insurance, and that something seems to be $500 billion taken out of Medicare (Which is 21% (Seniors 65+) of the 85% has already paid for and expect no less than what they were promised from Medicare.)

Here is a little editorial I read in the local paper today "Seniors on Social Security, the goverment has a great plan to get rid of you. If you think the Republicans were bad, just wait until the Democratic Party is thru with you. Their plan is, in the next two years, no cost of living raise in your Social Security even though everything is going up. Also, a big raise in your Medicare payment will mean a decrease in your Social Security. A health plan that will decide how long you can live and when it's time to die. Of course this is ridiculous, but this is the kind of fear going thru the elderly population.

Creating more people to keep track of medical expenses are not going to save anyone anything. Obama is not going to shut down the insurance companies, maybe regulate them a little, but there has been no serious mention of it yet. We are being hit with to much to soon. Nobody has really had a chance to see if what he proposes will even work, especially reputable medical people, just politicians.

 

[earth_as_one]

If anyone can get health care benfits, what's the point? Its sort of like golfing at a public golf course rather than an exclusive club. As IS pointed out above, most Americans with health care plans are happy paying through the nose. They don't want to save through economies of scale. They'd much rather buy their prescriptions individually at whatever prices big pharma charges or fill their prescriptions with Canadian pharmacies through the internet. Even Americans without health care benefits don't want free medicare. It has nothing to do with being misinformed but a legitimate fear of nazi communist government death panels.