Passing Health Care Reform in the Senate

Should the Senate and House pass reform despite Republican opposition?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 66.7%
  • No

    Votes: 6 33.3%

  • Total voters
    18

SirJosephPorter

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You sister would not have died, as I have mentioned before children are coverd up to the age of 18 and if someone has a disability, they have medical coverage all their life.


Ironsides, I don’t think all children are covered, I think only children up to certain income (of parents) are covered. Is that the case?
 

SirJosephPorter

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The way your system is going right now, it is unsustainable and in a few years, more and more people will be without coverage.

Juan, the same poll that says that a majority of Americans are satisfied with their own health care, also says that majority of Americans are worried about the future of the health care, that they may not have coverage in future (due to losing their job, or their employer discontinuing health insurance etc..).

I don't know why the Republicans like the system so much when it clearly doesn't work when so many dollars are sucked out of the system by the insurance companies.

There are two reasons for that. One is that Republican Party is in the pockets of the insurance companies, they are big donors to the Republican Party.

The other his that Republicans sense an opportunity here. Democrats failed to pass health care bill in 1993 and partly as a result, lost both the Senate and the House in 1994. They apparently are hoping that if they keep Democrats from passing the health care bill this time around (that partly explains the destructive, abusive behavior at the Town hall meetings), they may gain the control of the House and the Senate in 2010 elections.
 

Liberalman

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Government healthcare is communism and America will not stand for it so they are willing to fall on their swords and protect capitalism and the free market system.

Now corporations support American government corporate welfare like stimulus, which in reality is communism but they don’t call it that.

American private healthcare has shown that they are not able to do their jobs anymore but refuse to give it up because they like the money and will short-change their clients and as they need medical attention the private healthcare withdraws their coverage because they really don’t want to do the job.

Canada has a good government healthcare system that has been around for decades and it works but can be improved they don’t pay money it just comes out of everybody’s taxes.

American private healthcare companies say that Canada’s system is broken but what they don’t tell the American people that it still is working money goes in and Canadians are taken care of and they don’t get a bill.

America has spent trillions of dollars on the financial and auto sector, isn’t it about time they spend a trillion more on the most important sector, the American people who pays the taxes, who makes America great
 

SirJosephPorter

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American private healthcare companies say that Canada’s system is broken but what they don’t tell the American people that it still is working money goes in and Canadians are taken care of and they don’t get a bill.

Not only Canadians system, to listen to the health care industry and the Republican Party, every health care system except that of USA is broken. It is all part of the propaganda to prevent Democrats from passing any health care reform.

Anyway, if Democrats know what is good for them, they will pass some sort of health care reform, something that they can take to the voters in 2010. If they don’t, chances are that they will lose control of Senate and House in 2010.
 

ironsides

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If anyone can get health care benfits, what's the point? Its sort of like golfing at a public golf course rather than an exclusive club. As IS pointed out above, most Americans with health care plans are happy paying through the nose. They don't want to save through economies of scale. They'd much rather buy their prescriptions individually at whatever prices big pharma charges or fill their prescriptions with Canadian pharmacies through the internet. Even Americans without health care benefits don't want free medicare. It has nothing to do with being misinformed but a legitimate fear of nazi communist government death panels.


Why is it that misery loves company.

"If anyone can get health care benfits, what's the point? Its sort of like golfing at a public golf course rather than an exclusive club. Not quite, health care will vary according to what doctor will accept your health plan. All doctors do not accept all health plans. As IS pointed out above, most Americans with health care plans are happy paying through the nose. Why do others care what we pay for health care. If I need health care, I want it now, not in one week or a month. They don't want to save through economies of scale. Lets not forget that 85% of us can afford what ever health care we need. They'd much rather buy their prescriptions individually at whatever prices big pharma charges or fill their prescriptions with Canadian pharmacies through the internet. Most prescriptions (antibiotics) are free and other stuff costs $3.00 per, with some being a little higher. Even Americans without health care benefits don't want free medicare. Medicare as I said before, does not kick in until you retire of become disabled and it is free. It has nothing to do with being misinformed but a legitimate fear of nazi communist (oxymoron) government death panels.


Bottom line is that we do not trust any National Health System, not even our Social Security program since the goverment stole billions from it and never repaid anything. That was money paid into the program by people who actually worked. With Medicare we can see any doctor we want, not appointed by some clinic or goverment.
 

ironsides

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Ironsides, I don’t think all children are covered, I think only children up to certain income (of parents) are covered. Is that the case?


No child is refused medical care in the U.S. If parents have insurance it will be utilized first, if they don't the child is still covered.
 

pgs

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I live on Vancouver Island and I haven't seen anything like that. Me and my friends are getting older now and quite a few of my crowd have had by-pass surgery and MRI services without the wait times you talk about.
Funny I read an article just this weekend stated that the capital health region are over budget for mri's and are cutting back the number performed.This in turn is creating longer wait times up to a year in many cases.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Funny I read an article just this weekend stated that the capital health region are over budget for mri's and are cutting back the number performed.This in turn is creating longer wait times up to a year in many cases.

My wife wanted an MRI of her knee, she got it within a month (not only that, they scheduled it on a Sunday for her, so she won’t have to miss work). Again, I don’t know if she got preferential treatment because she is a doctor.
 

TenPenny

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My wife wanted an MRI of her knee, she got it within a month (not only that, they scheduled it on a Sunday for her, so she won’t have to miss work). Again, I don’t know if she got preferential treatment because she is a doctor.

I don't know why you'd wonder. Of course she got preferential treatment. The only way a doctor doesn't get preferential treatment is if he/she is a complete and utter asshole to all colleagues.
 

SirJosephPorter

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I don't know why you'd wonder. Of course she got preferential treatment. The only way a doctor doesn't get preferential treatment is if he/she is a complete and utter asshole to all colleagues.

I don’t know firsthand if she is getting preferential treatment, I have no idea what the wait period is for MRI where we live.

However, in general doctors do get preferential treatment. I remember when my wife had her caesarean, in Britain. They kept her in hospital for one week, the normal hospitalization period for caesarean is (or was 25 years ago) two days. She was on maternity leave from National Health Service anyway, so there was no question of her missing any work.

Also, normally the caesarean is performed by the registrar, who is in training. My wife’s caesarean was done by the Consultant himself, the top dog in OBGYN in the hospital.

They gave her epidural, which anesthetized the body from chest down. So they had cut open her stomach, but my wife was perfectly awake, she was chatting, laughing etc.
 

gopher

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''Government healthcare is communism''

Canadians, Europeans, American politicians, judges, and everybody else are communists?

LOL!!

If that's the case, I'll gladly join them and become a commie anyday! :)
 

SirJosephPorter

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''Government healthcare is communism''

Canadians, Europeans, American politicians, judges, and everybody else are communists?

LOL!!

If that's the case, I'll gladly join them and become a commie anyday! :)

Indeed they are, Gopher, if one listens to the far right Republican base.
 

ironsides

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My wife wanted an MRI of her knee, she got it within a month (not only that, they scheduled it on a Sunday for her, so she won’t have to miss work). Again, I don’t know if she got preferential treatment because she is a doctor.


I read the same article pgs read, it happened in Vancouver. My wife saw a doctor two weeks ago Monday and had the MRI that Friday. You do have a delay problem or we have more MRI's available.
 

shadowshiv

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You sister would not have died, as I have mentioned before children are coverd up to the age of 18 and if someone has a disability, they have medical coverage all their life.

My parents know the particulars more than I, and I am just going by what they said. She had to get a lot of her intestines removed and had a long stay at the hospital. She also had to stay in an incubator which also costs a lot of money.

You would know more than I, with you living in the US and all. If that is the case, then that would make me happy.
 

shadowshiv

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That would be expensive, glad she is all right now.

Thank you.:smile:

She's actually 21 now, and writing her final exam(today!) to be a RNA(I think that is what she is going for. I am not sure what acronym it is. LOL!)

It's hard to believe so much time has gone by. Sometimes it feels just like yesterday. It was a battle. My parents told me that the Doctor felt that it was doubtful that she would survive(due to the removal of some of her intestine) but she was a fighter! You wouldn't think it seeing her(she is short in stature like my mom), but she's scrappy!:cool:
 

pgs

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I live on Vancouver Island and I haven't seen anything like that. Me and my friends are getting older now and quite a few of my crowd have had by-pass surgery and MRI services without the wait times you talk about.
And Juan I heard your man Adrian Dix NDP health critic on tv last night.
And of course the subject health care,and the cuts to health regions across the province resulting in unneccesary delays and the hardships they create.
But i quess everything is just rosy in the health field.
 

coop

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I do not think that american should pass adopt a universal health care plan right now.

While I would agree that it is needed. The fact remains that there is still a recession right now and the US has an exponentially increasing debt. to pay for this Americans are furthering themselves in debt at a time when the should be at all costs reducing that debt.
 

SirJosephPorter

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I do not think that american should pass adopt a universal health care plan right now.

While I would agree that it is needed. The fact remains that there is still a recession right now and the US has an exponentially increasing debt. to pay for this Americans are furthering themselves in debt at a time when the should be at all costs reducing that debt.


Well, according to Obama, health care costs are spiraling out of control and in a few years may sink the economy. Hence the imperative to pass health care reform.

Also, politically it is necessary that Democrats pass something.

Anyway, they are going to introduce a bill in Senate committee soon. House liberals seem to have softened their stance and now they say that they may consider a bill without public option. Democrats may even be able to get one or two Republicans on board (like Olympia Snow). For the first time it is beginning to look like Democrats are serious about health care reform, that they may actually pass something.
 

gopher

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''it is beginning to look like Democrats are serious about health care reform, that they may actually pass something. ''


As for me, I won't settle for anything less than a European style system.