You got the right attitude, Ger!
How much security is feasible in Gov't? Isn't Government supposed to be transparent and open to observation from the public? Ya can't suck and blow at the same time!
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You got the right attitude, Ger!
How much security is feasible in Gov't? Isn't Government supposed to be transparent and open to observation from the public? Ya can't suck and blow at the same time!
and how long has Canada been around? coming up to 150 years? and how many times has security been breached?
They cannot get the simple right, how do you expect them to get even the basics beyond integrated communications correct?
Ottawa shooting: RCMP, House security radios on different frequencies - Politics - CBC News
The security forces protecting Parliament must be better integrated, Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney said Monday, less than a week after a gunman killed a soldier at the National War Memorial, ran onto the Hill to hijack a car, and died metres from the rooms where MPs were meeting.
Concerns have been raised repeatedly over the years about the different silos in which law enforcement and security officials operate on and around Parliament Hill, including by Auditor General Michael Ferguson, who reported on them in 2012.
In question period Monday, Blaney said, "the silos we have today are not adequate. Security inside Parliament must be integrated with outside security forces."
CBC News has learned those security forces can't even speak to each other by radio because their radios use different frequencies.
Ottawa shooting: RCMP, House security radios on different frequencies - Politics - CBC News
The security forces protecting Parliament must be better integrated, Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney said Monday, less than a week after a gunman killed a soldier at the National War Memorial, ran onto the Hill to hijack a car, and died metres from the rooms where MPs were meeting.
Concerns have been raised repeatedly over the years about the different silos in which law enforcement and security officials operate on and around Parliament Hill, including by Auditor General Michael Ferguson, who reported on them in 2012.
In question period Monday, Blaney said, "the silos we have today are not adequate. Security inside Parliament must be integrated with outside security forces."
CBC News has learned those security forces can't even speak to each other by radio because their radios use different frequencies.
Threat assessment agency warned last year Ottawa was a ‘rich environment’ for a possible terror attack | National Post
TORONTO — Canada’s threat assessment agency warned last year of the potential for a terrorist attack in Ottawa, calling the capital region “a rich environment” and noting that “active shooter” terror attacks had taken place in the United States and Europe.
In a “Confidential” report, the Integrated Terrorism Assessment Centre also said Canadian Forces could be targeted in Ottawa, adding the Toronto 18 terrorist group had discussed attacking Canadian military facilities and the Parliament Buildings.
“The presence of numerous high-profile federal institutions, foreign embassies, military facilities, tourist attractions, and special events make the NCR [National Capital Region] a rich environment for possible plots by a variety of differently-motivated terrorists,” it said.
The de-classified report, written in 2013 and released to the National Post under the Access to Information Act, shows that security officials had examined the potential for terrorism in the capital long before last Wednesday’s attack by the gunman who killed Cpl. Nathan Cirillo at the National War Memorial.
TORONTO — Canada’s threat assessment agency warned last year of the potential for a terrorist attack in Ottawa, calling the capital region “a rich environment” and noting that “active shooter” terror attacks had taken place in the United States and Europe.
In a “Confidential” report, the Integrated Terrorism Assessment Centre also said Canadian Forces could be targeted in Ottawa, adding the Toronto 18 terrorist group had discussed attacking Canadian military facilities and the Parliament Buildings.
“The presence of numerous high-profile federal institutions, foreign embassies, military facilities, tourist attractions, and special events make the NCR [National Capital Region] a rich environment for possible plots by a variety of differently-motivated terrorists,” it said.
The de-classified report, written in 2013 and released to the National Post under the Access to Information Act, shows that security officials had examined the potential for terrorism in the capital long before last Wednesday’s attack by the gunman who killed Cpl. Nathan Cirillo at the National War Memorial.
Federal security chiefs warned to 'ensure readiness' days before Ottawa attack - Politics - CBC News
A top-level federal memo warning of a potential "violent act of terrorism in Canada" was distributed by the prime minister's staff five days before last month's attack on Parliament Hill, according to a copy obtained by CBC News.
The memo was circulated on the evening of Friday, Oct. 17 — three days before the Oct. 20 hit-and-run attack in St-Jean-sur-Richelieu, Que., by Martin Couture-Rouleau and five days before the Oct. 22 shooting in Ottawa by Michael Zehaf-Bibeau.
Parliament attack exposed 'systemic' security gaps, says ex-JTF2 commander
The alert directed security staff to ensure extra vigilance and strict compliance with security protocols. That included the updating of communications lines and emergency numbers to "ensure readiness in the case of an incident."
It is not clear what, if any, action was taken as a result of the federal alert. Security experts have cited a lack of vigilance on Parliament Hill when Zehaf-Bibeau was able to enter the Centre Block and fire his hunting rifle just steps away from the prime minister, who was meeting with his caucus nearby.
"They had enough warning that there should have been some security protocols put in place," said Garry Clement, a former RCMP superintendent who is now a security consultant.
"One of the things I thought they would have done is upgrade the security on Parliament Hill."
The alert was sent to security officers for all federal departments and agencies across Canada. Even so, counter-terrorism experts like Steve Day, a former commander of Canada's special forces, see little evidence of tightened security.
Pointing to the surveillance video from Zehaf-Bibeau's arrival on Parliament Hill, Day said last week, "If there would have been a police officer at those bollards when the shooter first departs his car, we've got a different scenario."
As it was, Day said, RCMP officers on the scene seemed to be in the dark, even after Zehaf-Bibeau hijacked a car at gunpoint and headed for the Centre Block.
"When you look at the RCMP cruiser outside Parliament Hill," Day said, "it doesn't move until the other cruiser passes it. It tells me he's not aware of an approaching threat."
A top-level federal memo warning of a potential "violent act of terrorism in Canada" was distributed by the prime minister's staff five days before last month's attack on Parliament Hill, according to a copy obtained by CBC News.
The memo was circulated on the evening of Friday, Oct. 17 — three days before the Oct. 20 hit-and-run attack in St-Jean-sur-Richelieu, Que., by Martin Couture-Rouleau and five days before the Oct. 22 shooting in Ottawa by Michael Zehaf-Bibeau.
Parliament attack exposed 'systemic' security gaps, says ex-JTF2 commander
The alert directed security staff to ensure extra vigilance and strict compliance with security protocols. That included the updating of communications lines and emergency numbers to "ensure readiness in the case of an incident."
It is not clear what, if any, action was taken as a result of the federal alert. Security experts have cited a lack of vigilance on Parliament Hill when Zehaf-Bibeau was able to enter the Centre Block and fire his hunting rifle just steps away from the prime minister, who was meeting with his caucus nearby.
"They had enough warning that there should have been some security protocols put in place," said Garry Clement, a former RCMP superintendent who is now a security consultant.
"One of the things I thought they would have done is upgrade the security on Parliament Hill."
The alert was sent to security officers for all federal departments and agencies across Canada. Even so, counter-terrorism experts like Steve Day, a former commander of Canada's special forces, see little evidence of tightened security.
Pointing to the surveillance video from Zehaf-Bibeau's arrival on Parliament Hill, Day said last week, "If there would have been a police officer at those bollards when the shooter first departs his car, we've got a different scenario."
As it was, Day said, RCMP officers on the scene seemed to be in the dark, even after Zehaf-Bibeau hijacked a car at gunpoint and headed for the Centre Block.
"When you look at the RCMP cruiser outside Parliament Hill," Day said, "it doesn't move until the other cruiser passes it. It tells me he's not aware of an approaching threat."
Those were my thoughts when I watched the video. Even now aside from at the main gates directly in front of centre block there tends not to be a security officer near those bollards. When I leave parliament hill I tend to walk out through the same opening the shooter entered the grounds on, there is no one there. There are more people there now than before but mostly inside the building now.
Except for the election of , expensive, lets hope it never happens, the present government fully trained and up to speed, I estimate a three year transition period between a working government fully intigrated in the global scene , very expensive. Introductions, meetings, millions of air miles, same cost as moving rock bands, I exagerate but it's expensive
Can anyone truly believe that the Government will take care of you or be able to protect you in the event of a catastrophic terrorist attack or even lets say a massive solar flare and the electrical grid goes down and people panic for food.
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Only the very naïve! I doubt if the Gov't could take care of us in the event of a major louse outbreak!
I think you have the correct attitude.
I despise the continuing destruction of our open society, using the threat of terrorism as an excuse.
At the same time, Parliament Hill can still be wide open to people, and security increased by two simple measures. Post a watcher at the main gate. And arm all the security.
Ofg course, I am not a guy that is bothered by the presence of firearms, and some people are........but I think that simple move is the best way to keep the centre of our democracy open to the people, while keeping those inside safe.
Oh, and of course "take the fight to the terrorists on their own ground and wipe the sons a bitches out".
Last I heard from you on killing people, you were dead against it for any person for any reason! What caused the change of heart?
You tend toward small arms Colpy, I like tanks, F-35s and submarines. Lazer antiaircraft, and near earth platforms,that go bing. Happy shooting.
You tend toward small arms Colpy, I like tanks, F-35s and submarines. Lazer antiaircraft, and near earth platforms,that go bing. Happy shooting.
That would be overkill on the hill.
Hopefully BL wont see this, but the UK did pretty well during the early years of WW2. If they could do it under those circumstances, I dont see why not here and now.