Beyond that, where would all the extra generating capacity come from to charge all those EVs?
Not too sure about the rest of the country,but in BC they are busy making anything resembling a forest industry extinct, so all the power that used to provide mill jobs can now make city greenies feel good.
You want greenie power and heat? Its very very simple. Drill holes.I wonder if those who insist on everyone going "green" have considered the consequences of their ideas? Do they not realize that we don't have the electrical capacity without O&G or LNG? Windmills & solar panels are not "green" in any aspect so we're being taxed for Climate Change that does nothing for the environment and something that will do more damage, long-term than O&G. They too will be affected not just those of us who object to their ideologies which don't make sense at all.
I get the impression that the "greenies" think that there will be no consequences at all for them. How does that work?
Leaded Gas is stable for Years & Years (!!) unlike unleaded which goes stale within a year, though tear-down on a motor that uses unleaded is way cleaner than what it use to be with leaded fuel. The handfuls of grey gunk lead rebuilding a leaded gas motor in hindsight have probably helped shorten my life but oh well…You threw a conniption fit over unleaded gas and catalytic converters, didn't you?
I don' know that the country folk are any better. Most yokels don't even realize there will be a power issue for them as well. if they even bother to follow the news in the first place. Until the day comes when it actually directly impacts their lives, like when they go to buy a truck and there ARE no ICE options anymore, they just don't even acknowledge it exists or that there's a problem.The whole electrical distribution system is beyond most people's ability comprehend. It seems the more time spent in a city, the dumber the greenie. They really don't know how food gets to skip the dishes, gas gets to their furnace, or what keeps the lights on. Worse, most of them don't care as long as it works.
Popular and expedient. But yes.Lefty politicians will always do what they view as politically expedient, no matter how bad the idea.
I met a guy here did that. Didn’t work. Another one spent $70 000 on an in ground system that only works because his house is as insulated as it can get. A heat pump with propane backup would be far cheaper.You want greenie power and heat? Its very very simple. Drill holes.
Leaded Gas is stable for Years & Years (!!) unlike unleaded which goes stale within a year, though tear-down on a motor that uses unleaded is way cleaner than what it use to be with leaded fuel. The handfuls of grey gunk lead rebuilding a leaded gas motor in hindsight have probably helped shorten my life but oh well…
Catalytic Converters are a great idea, but the thieves that steal them and the sensors that are unhappy without detecting one in place both leave something to be desired.
(My old truck has duel exhaust with only unbaffled bottles to restrict the exhaust flow….which makes it immune to the catalytic converter thief’s with their cordless electric saws-alls)
They mostly live in cities and don’t understand what it takes to keep a city supplied. Everything is done for them. They simply don’t understand a 2 hour drive just to see a doctor.I wonder if those who insist on everyone going "green" have considered the consequences of their ideas? Do they not realize that we don't have the electrical capacity without O&G or LNG? Windmills & solar panels are not "green" in any aspect so we're being taxed for Climate Change that does nothing for the environment and something that will do more damage, long-term than O&G. They too will be affected not just those of us who object to their ideologies which don't make sense at all.
I get the impression that the "greenies" think that there will be no consequences at all for them. How does that work?
Not like that. Deeper and bigger scale.I met a guy here did that. Didn’t work. Another one spent $70 000 on an in ground system that only works because his house is as insulated as it can get. A heat pump with propane backup would be far cheaper.
Imagine for a minute that it’s 2035. Imagine that ICE vehicles are a thing that is outlawed for any new sales. Filling stations are few and far between now.
People are forced to only buy EV’s, and then winter happens. Real winter, and it’s not Toronto/Vancouver winter, but Winnipeg/Regina/Edmonton and all rural surrounding areas winter.
Outside of the 1,000,000+ population areas were public transit really doesn’t work, and there isn’t any real greyhound or STC or regional bus lines that make any sense. Somebody in the country needs to drive an hour to the city to get groceries and a prescription and then get home in the winter (real world winter with -40°C). What happens?
Somebody drives their EV to work and their employer does not have somewhere for them to plug-in and they have to work for an eight or nine or 10 or 12 hour shift, and its actual real winter, and the EV has been sucking on its own nipples to try and keep its own battery warm for that time. Then they have to be able to get home so that they can repeat this the next day?
Imagine that the poor bastard above doesn’t have a single family separate dwelling with a garage but lives in an apartment building with an outside parking lot so they can’t heat their electric car and it’s batteries overnight while charging it so they only get a quarter of a charge that night maybe…. And it’s -30°C for a week or two or three straight.
I honestly looked last night for real world, actual real winter, EV battery degradation data, and all I could find was the same data set from England for winter conditions, showing the degradation from -1°C to -6 point some or another degrees Celsius…& that’s it. I couldn’t find anything for even -10°C or -20°C or -40°C.
I have an antidotal story from a friend of mine that owns a Tesla model three from last winter and it’s scary. He charges his car overnight in a heated garage and then commutes about 20 km to work in the morning and plugs his car in at work all day so that he can commute home about 20 km and park in a heated garage and charge his car all night again so it’s good to go in the morning. last winter he had 3/4 of a charge and he and his wife went to visit friends about 35 km away at -35°C for supper…. And after a couple of hours the commuted at home and damn near didn’t make it. That was 70 km round-trip on 3/4 of a charge and it was touch and go as to whether or not they were going to make it home.
That’s the reality of the prairies.
Did you notice the price of a kWh? $0.30 a kWh. 100 kWh partial charges was still $30 somethingSome real world testing at -20°C to -24°C. Awesome ‘cuz I couldn’t find anything like this a few nights back.
Neither are -35°C, which I think it’s gonna be an entire different world of complications. Nor -35°C for a week or 10 days straight…..
Luckily, he’s doing his testing in the middle of the night with very few others, competing for the few charging stations that are working. Can’t imagine sitting there for two hours waiting for your car to charge fully so that you can continue on…. while somebody is behind you waiting to use the same functioning charger…oh well.
Other than the buffets, I’m not a big fan of casinos as I’m not much for that kind of gambling….so trying to find a charging station that’s functional while your battery charge gets lower & lower doesn’t appeal to me, but that’s just me I guess. Good times.
Can’t remember how deep the guy that did the wells drilled. Couple of hundred feet or so.Not like that. Deeper and bigger scale.
Didn’t notice that in all honesty, but did note his disgust in comparison at what he considered the low cost of fuel at the Loves TruckStop defeating the purpose of owning an EV. What I was waiting for was for him to mention at what a full charge from his decreasing battery level it would take timewise on a clock at the charging rates available….Did you notice the price of a kWh? $0.30 a kWh. 100 kWh partial charges was still $30 something
20-30m for a residential geothermal. 2.5m if you go lateral.Can’t remember how deep the guy that did the wells drilled. Couple of hundred feet or so.
Yeah. I did the math Inc exchange. 80 cents a litre. I noticed he was doing 20kwh a crack but his range never got beyond 58 miles. PetroCanada chargers were down here all week. It looks like they bought the wrong kind of charger.Didn’t notice that in all honesty, but did note his disgust in comparison at what he considered the low cost of fuel at the Loves TruckStop defeating the purpose of owning an EV. What I was waiting for was for him to mention at what a full charge from his decreasing battery level it would take timewise on a clock at the charging rates available….
Just take the bus . That should work .EV sales today are hampered by the fact they are more expensive than comparable internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles with less range, especially in cold weather.
That’s why it currently takes massive federal and provincial government subsidies and sales mandates — in those provinces that have them — to get people to buy EVs.
That means lower income Canadians are subsidizing the sale of EVs to wealthier Canadians.
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Oh god, don't get them started....Just take the bus . That should work .