Our cooling world

eanassir

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Global Warming not cooling

If it is cooling as some posters here claim, then why don't we see this practically?

I mean we don't see any decrease in temperature in some countries like Iraq: where we see the summer becomes hotter and the winter becomes warmer.

I see the insisting on an alleged global cooling is only some stubbornness.

The Recent Global Heat Wave
 

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Wow, Canada's definitely getting the brunt of it. The realist on my left shoulder says this could be from emissions coming up from the states. The conspiracy theorist on the right says Harper is deliberately causing as much warming as possible to free up natural resources.
 

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This comes under the category of if you can't beat them join them. This article points out the advantages of global warming to Canada. I suspect the author is being a bit too optimistic and that some of his data is suspect. After all, he predicts a 40% increase in the world's population a rate of growth that is not assured if the world birthrate keeps on falling. It is an interesting read, however.

Canada poised to become 'polar tiger?'
 

eanassir

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Which region of the earth will be very hot in the perpetual day side?

Of course the frozen regions will become warmer and the hot regions will become hotter -- if this global warming continues.

People give many explanations for this, but they neglect the distance between the earth and the sun becoming less and the earth gets nearer to the sun more and more (may be by few miles which will increase later on) and the day becoming longer by time and so: giving more chance of the exposure of the earth to the sun heat: the loss of this heat by night may be less than the obtaining of the heat by day time: because of the effect of the atmosphere.

Then when the earth will stop its axial rotation by time: which region will be in the perpetual day and which region will be in the perpetual night ?

I think: the region of Mecca will be in the hot day region: Why?

When the heat will increase in the hemisphere facing the sun ( the day side) this will lead to the liberation of the CO2 included in the CaCO3 of the rocks of the mountains which will lead to the formation of CaO in the form of powder that will be scattered by the much wind (storms) in the day side -- this will lead to the levelling of the earth surface: the mountains will be smashed and the sand will go to the valleys.

This is because the idolaters of Mecca asked Prophet Mohammed with their ridicule and mockery: What about these huge mountains that surround Mecca [on Doomsday]?

Then this aya 20: 105-107 was revealed:


وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الْجِبَالِ فَقُلْ يَنسِفُهَا رَبِّي نَسْفًا . فَيَذَرُهَا قَاعًا صَفْصَفًا . لَا تَرَى فِيهَا عِوَجًا وَلَا أَمْتًا

The explanation:
(They are asking you [Mohammed] about the mountains [of Mecca on that day.]

Say: ‘My Lord will smash them [into scattered dust.]

So He will leave it as a level plain.

Wherein you will see no hill neither any valley.)



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If we study the changes that occurred on the planets Mercury and Venus, we may then have an idea what will happen to our planet earth in the future.
About Venus: it is surrounded by its perpetual cloud of the poisonous and suffocating gases in the form of that obvious ugly fatal smoke surrounding Venus.


This cloud prevents the clear observation of the surface of Venus.
Venus Has Stopped Its Axial Rotation



But the planet Mercury: its atmosphere is lost and its surface is obvious and we see its levelled surface that is facing the sun, in addition to the large number of craters from the falling of a large number of comets.



 
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Tonington

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People give many explanations for this, but they neglect the distance between the earth and the sun becoming less and the earth gets nearer to the sun more and more (may be by few miles which will increase later on) and the day becoming longer by time and so: giving more chance of the exposure of the earth to the sun heat: the loss of this heat by night may be less than the obtaining of the heat by day time: because of the effect of the atmosphere.

The distance between the Sun and Earth is not fixed, we're closer to the Sun during the Northern hemisphere winter than we are during summer, yet it's not warmer...and the day length gets shorter. The distance to the Sun has nothing to do with the length of daylight a planet receives...that's tilt and axial rotation.
 

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The Frozen Thames, 1677

The Little Ice Age (LIA) was a period of cooling that occurred after the Medieval Warm Period. While not a true ice age, the term was introduced into scientific literature by François E. Matthes in 1939. It is conventionally defined as a period extending from the 16th to the 19th centuries, though climatologists and historians working with local records no longer expect to agree on either the start or end dates of this period, which varied according to local conditions. It is generally agreed that there were three minima, beginning about 1650, about 1770, and 1850, each separated by intervals of slight warming.

Several causes have been proposed: cyclical lows in solar radiation, heightened volcanic activity, changes in the ocean circulation, an inherent variability in global climate.

There is no agreed beginning year to the Little Ice Age, although there is a frequently referenced series of events preceding the known climatic minima. Starting in the 13th century, pack ice began advancing southwards in the North Atlantic, as did glaciers in Greenland. The three years of torrential rains beginning in 1315 ushered in an era of unpredictable weather in Northern Europe which did not lift until the 19th century. There is anecdotal evidence of expanding glaciers almost worldwide. In contrast, a climate reconstruction based on glacial length shows no great variation from 1600 to 1850, though it shows strong retreat thereafter.
For this reason, any of several dates ranging over 400 years may indicate the beginning of the Little Ice Age:

  • 1250 for when Atlantic pack ice began to grow
  • 1300 for when warm summers stopped being dependable in Northern Europe
  • 1315 for the rains and Great Famine of 1315-1317
  • 1550 for theorized beginning of worldwide glacial expansion
  • 1650 for the first climatic minimum.
The prevailing scientific view is that the Little Ice Age ended in the latter half of the 19th century or early in the 20th century. Timothy Ball and Syun-Ichi Akasofu, founder of the International Arctic Research Center at the University of Alaska believe that Earth's climate is still recovering from the Little Ice Age. Little Ice Age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This image is a comparison of 10 different published reconstructions of mean temperature changes during the last 2000 years. More recent reconstructions are plotted towards the front and in redder colors, older reconstructions appear towards the back and in bluer colors. An instrumental history of temperature is also shown in black. The medieval warm period and little ice age are labeled at roughly the times when they are historically believed to occur, though it is still disputed whether these were truly global or only regional events. The single, unsmoothed annual value for 2004 is also shown for comparison:
Little Ice Age - Wikimedia Commons
 

eanassir

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The distance between the Sun and Earth is not fixed, we're closer to the Sun during the Northern hemisphere winter than we are during summer, yet it's not warmer...and the day length gets shorter. The distance to the Sun has nothing to do with the length of daylight a planet receives...that's tilt and axial rotation.


This is not what I mean: the distance in general which is not related to the season of the summer and winter: but the distance in winter time has become shorter and the distance in the summer time has become shorter.
The earth approaches the sun

The day length of the 24 hours has become longer, and it will become longer still more and more.
The standstill of the earth

The distance to the sun has nothing to do with the length of the daylight a planet receives -- this is true; but the longer the day, the more sunlight the planet receives and vice versa.
 

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The distance to the sun has nothing to do with the length of the daylight a planet receives -- this is true; but the longer the day, the more sunlight the planet receives and vice versa.
Still sticking with your cartoon version of science, I see. The amount of sunlight a planet receives has nothing to do with the length of the day, it has to do with its distance from the sun and its cross sectional area. The earth-sun distance isn't shrinking either, it's getting bigger, and neither is the earth going to cease its axial rotation in the expected lifetime of the sun. When you have all the facts wrong, your deductions from them will be wrong too.
 

eanassir

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Still sticking with your cartoon version of science, I see. The amount of sunlight a planet receives has nothing to do with the length of the day, it has to do with its distance from the sun and its cross sectional area.

I see you are still sticking to your textbooks. The amount of sunlight and sunheat a planet receives is certainly related to the duration of the day of that planet; as is it also related to the distance from the sun and the surface area of the planet.

The earth-sun distance isn't shrinking either, it's getting bigger, and neither is the earth going to cease its axial rotation in the expected lifetime of the sun.

This is what you think, which you cannot prove.
 

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Still sticking with your cartoon version of science, I see. The amount of sunlight a planet receives has nothing to do with the length of the day, it has to do with its distance from the sun and its cross sectional area. The earth-sun distance isn't shrinking either, it's getting bigger, and neither is the earth going to cease its axial rotation in the expected lifetime of the sun. When you have all the facts wrong, your deductions from them will be wrong too.

You're right on there- the amount of sunlight rec'd over time is alway 50/50. What you describe re the axial rotation is directly related to "momentum". You just have to look at how long a train takes to stop when there is no resistance applied. It's all a matter of common sense. :smile:
 

eanassir

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The earth is slowing down; this is certain.
But such slowing may not be on a steady rate; such slowing may be accelerated to be more and more; then ten nights will come: the length of each night is about 3 months; then the Earth will stop its axial rotation in the same manner its Moon stopped its axial rotation as did Mercury then Venus stop their spinning around their axes.
 

Tonington

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What are you on about now? Venus and Mercury haven't stopped spinning...the spin is slow, but hasn't stopped.
 

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From what I understand and I am not an expert, is that if the
climate continued to warm the result will be an ice age due
to the fact that the elevator of air from the gulf of Mexico would
be suppressed as mass sheets of ice from the north would
clog the North Atlantic, thus the air would be cold by the time
it got to Europe. In any event if the current stops flowing and
the patterns change it could trigger an ice age.
In any event I think the efforts of man to stop this, is akin to
peeing in the wind, it is already too late as the third world
doesn't hear and doesn't understand and many more don't
care as long as they make a buck.
I think its time some people in science came up with some
serious explanations, that the people of planet earth can
understand and agree on. Until this happens we are all just
spinning our wheels, when it comes to global opinion.
 

Dexter Sinister

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The amount of sunlight and sunheat a planet receives is certainly related to the duration of the day of that planet
No, it most certainly is not. A planet a given distance from the sun with a given cross section will intercept exactly the same amount of sunlight regardless of its rotational period.
This is what you think, which you cannot prove.
Yes I can, actually, the calculations and measurements have been made. There's no point in giving you the citations, you'd just deny them anyway, but you might try a Google search for "earth sun distance change."
 

Tonington

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From what I understand and I am not an expert, is that if the
climate continued to warm the result will be an ice age due
to the fact that the elevator of air from the gulf of Mexico would
be suppressed as mass sheets of ice from the north would
clog the North Atlantic, thus the air would be cold by the time
it got to Europe. In any event if the current stops flowing and
the patterns change it could trigger an ice age.

It's not an elevator of air, it's water. The North Atlantic Drift is what transports the heat. When the ice sheets melt, it's not that they stop the movement of air. Large amounts of cold fresh water disrupt the elevator, and thus the heat engine stops. Supposedly...

But the probability of this is all conjecture, based largely on Hollywood portrayal of an issue that is far from certain. The freshwater that is entering the ocean is multiple orders of magnitude smaller than anything in the paleo-climate literature which describes the shut-down of this heat engine.

I think its time some people in science came up with some
serious explanations, that the people of planet earth can
understand and agree on. Until this happens we are all just
spinning our wheels, when it comes to global opinion.

Science has already come up with serious explanations. And the so-called skeptics fall into a long pattern of science denial. Tobacco and cancer, DDT and toxicity, industrial pollution and acid rain/ozone holes. Many of those selling their 'expertise' in these think tanks have been denying multiple above associations that are solid science.
 

eanassir

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From what I understand and I am not an expert, is that if the
climate continued to warm the result will be an ice age due
to the fact that the elevator of air from the gulf of Mexico would
be suppressed as mass sheets of ice from the north would
clog the North Atlantic, thus the air would be cold by the time
it got to Europe. In any event if the current stops flowing and
the patterns change it could trigger an ice age.
In any event I think the efforts of man to stop this, is akin to
peeing in the wind, it is already too late

as the third world doesn't hear and doesn't understand

and many more don't care as long as they make a buck.
I think its time some people in science came up with some
serious explanations, that the people of planet earth can
understand and agree on. Until this happens we are all just
spinning our wheels, when it comes to global opinion.

Hi damngrumpy, :D
Aren't you from the third world? A Christian with a communist background? :)

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No, it most certainly is not. A planet a given distance from the sun with a given cross section will intercept exactly the same amount of sunlight regardless of its rotational period.

Not like this; but the hemisphere facing the sun will have more heat and the temperature will be very high. While the side that does not face the sun will be very cold and freezing.

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What are you on about now? Venus and Mercury haven't stopped spinning...the spin is slow, but hasn't stopped.

I discussed this in a previous post in the CanadianContent forum, although most of them did not accept the idea.

Anyhow, it is very good that at least you admit the spin is slow.

Mercury Has Stopped Its Axial Rotation
Venus Has Stopped Its Axial Rotation

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The changes of the global warming is so tremendous; it is most probably due to some astronomic causes like the distance between the Earth and the Sun becoming less than before, to some extent at least.
The earth approaches the sun

Although other factors like the industrial and natural accumulation of some gases like CO2 and CH4 and other similar factors may play some role.
 
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