Ottawa to make Canada less inviting for U.S. deserters

[JLM]

That's a good point JLM.He was right. Long story eh? Well, what I am getting at was shortly after he was discharged from the Marines. Not a bad discharge, just a general discharge under honorable conditions because he simply could not adapt. IF he was a supply Marine, or an aircraft mechanic he never would have had this problem. Nevertheless he was assigned to the Infantry and the Corps just couldn't transfer him to light duty. He was a liability. You can't transfer soldiers or Marines to easy duty because they can't hang or they simply won't follow orders for whatever reason.

Phew...that could be my longest post in awhile.

Which raises a question about the medical test he must have undergone at the get go. I had a guy working with me on the survey crew (lots of walking and backpacking though steep terrain in the bush) He was asthmatic- but the rest of the crew had sympathy and would help the poor guy...........not ridicule him. Any man can only do what he can do. As long as he tries I cut him slack.

 

[ironsides]

You as I may personally feel sorry for him, but every unit is a team and everyone is a intrical part of that team. In the Marine Corps there are no so called specialist, we all are Basic Marines with other skills. Humping is unfortunately part of being a Basic Marine and starts in boot camp. I was glad that I was never assigned to a mortar team, a close friend of mine was and dropped a old 81MM base plate on his foot, breaking it. (not in combat, just slipped)

 

[EagleSmack]

Which raises a question about the medical test he must have undergone at the get go. I had a guy working with me on the survey crew (lots of walking and backpacking though steep terrain in the bush) He was asthmatic- but the rest of the crew had sympathy and would help the poor guy...........not ridicule him. Any man can only do what he can do. As long as he tries I cut him slack.

The medical tests to get in the Marines is the same as the Navy, or the Army, or the USAF. Basic Training on Parris Island is tough. However the infantry is tougher physically. The humps we did on the island were hard but nothing compared to what we did in the infantry.

About the ridicule, yup, seems cruel, it seems mean...but that is the way it is. Soldiering (whether Marines or Army, Canadian, Brits, etc) is a rough life. There are different ways to motivate.

At the end of Phase III on Parris Island were were doing the obstacle course...three times in a row. It was hard, exhausting, I was beat. On my 3rd time I got to the reverse wall obstacle. It was a wood wall angled towards the recruit. You had to jump up and pull yourself up with your hands, get on top and run down the wall. The Drill Instructor watching the obstacle was yucking it up with another Marine and not paying attention. Meaning he was not watching me struggle to get over the wall. He had his back to me and I kept getting a running start, failing and trying again. I kept glancing over to him hoping I'd get over the obstacle before he noticed. Finally the Marine (Not a DI, just a Marine assigned to the base) talking to the DI gave a nod in my direction and the DI turned...and started running at me...

"WHAT THE FU... GET YOUR AZZ OVER MY OBSTACLE!"

I LEAPED up grabbed the top and I was over. I was sort of grinning as I ran to the next obstcle saying to myself...

"That's all I needed...a little extra motivation."

 

[JLM]

Shades of Lou Gossett Jr. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[EagleSmack]

Shades of Lou Gossett Jr. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Sometimes "MOVE YOUR AZZ" gets a better result than "Its ok...you can do it"

 

[Johnnny]

Im involved in the same kind of work(not exactly but its a type of surveying) as JLM used to do, alot of bush crashing with more than enough gear on my back sometimes, and if someone isnt pulling there load or trying we rip into them pretty quickly. If they are trying as hard as they can we help them if they need it but only for a bit if they cant cut it wetell them to harden the **** up and if they dont we get rid of them unfortunatly. When we finished our last grid in San Luis Potosi i was picking up the slack for someone who just couldnt do it and eventually he stopped trying, hes gone

Harden the **** up or choose your career paths better is my only advice

 

[petros]

What is the difference between a physical conscription and a mental one?

 

[ironsides]

Here is a story anyone interested can follow. I am not referring to the doctors reason for not going, but what will eventually happen to him for refusing to go.
Army doctor charged with refusing order to deploy to war; questions Obama's citizenship
WASHINGTON (AP) — An Army doctor has been charged with disobeying orders after failing to show up for duty in Afghanistan and questioning whether President Barack Obama has the right to order him there.

Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin is scheduled to be arraigned Friday at Fort Belvoir, Va.

The Greeley, Colo., native did not report to Fort Campbell, Ky., in April to prepare for deployment.

Lakin said in a YouTube video that he chose to disobey orders and was inviting his own court-martial. He says he wants to see Obama's birth certificate as proof Obama was born in the U.S., as presidents must be, and thus that the deployment order for Afghanistan is legal.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-us-army-birther,0,2316181,print.story

 

[petros]

YouTube - ‪I Have No Legs‬‎

 

[Colpy]

The King of Hypocrites:

Ignatieff’s wobbly view on deserters

Ignatieff’s wobbly view on deserters | Full Comment | National Post

 

[ironsides]

Why would anyone want our cowards. They were irresponsible and showed it by not facing the consequences of their actions. Muhammad Ali (Cassius Marcellus Clay ) and others who refused to serve and faced the consequence of their actions, ultimately became more of a hero for their stance than any of those cowards who ran.

 

[Starscream]

Just what do people think a military does? Sit at home all comfy where it's safe and play rambo all day and night? If you can't accept the fact that you might be sent to a dangerous place or a warzone then don't join the military.

Send the U.S. deserters back and face justice in their own country.

 

[china]

The U,S, has the best Veterans Administration and benefits in the world for our disabled veterans and in most cases those with problems are taken care of ASAP. It takes no courage to run off to Canada, usually they run off before anything happens to them anyway, just scared little boys and girls. Canada does not need anymore of our weaklings. People who just stand by and watch the world go by doing no more than criticizing, really have no say in the outcome. (I mean which ever side you chose be active in your convictions) Those who chose to run away from their obligations are cowards, Many chose to stay and take the punishment which was minimal. Those I respect.

Canada does not need anymore of our weaklings.

Agree ,Canada has enough of their own weaklings .

Those who chose to run away from their obligations are cowards,

So true.