No wiggling and I'm more than capable of being verbose when need be s_lone. Please do try and at least pretend you know me better then that.
I know you can be a very effective debater. And I still feel you are avoiding my point.
And if suddenly the moon turned into cheese?
Do you have anymore fanciful and asinine simile's?
This is exactly how you are avoiding my point. I know you can see beyond my exaggerated scenario of soldiers ordered to rape women.
My point exactly: The moral judgement of a deserter must be based on the moral actions of the army. I used an exaggeration to clearly demonstrate this. Clearly you wouldn't condemn a deserter if he deserted because he was ordered to rape women or kill innocent people. And surely you wouldn't condemn an old German guy who fought in the Nazi army but at one point in the war, decided to desert after finding out what was going on in the concentration camps.
This is on the extreme side of the spectrum. My point is that there IS a moral spectrum and as far as I know, the Irak war pretty much falls into the ambiguous middle of it in Canada. The way I understand it, the way you judge a deserter depends on the situation in which he deserted.
Personally, I don't think the US army was right to go into Irak the way they did. And it seems obvious to me that the biggest incentive to do it was NOT out of humanitarian concern for the people of Irak and NOT out of concern for the safety of Americans. It was purely done out of long term economic interest for the fat cats who live off selling weapons and oil.
That is what I think of the Irak war. So who would I be to throw stones at someone who deserted to avoid the Irak war? A hypocrite. That's what I think of those who don't agree with the Irak war but vilify deserters who avoided that war. And when it comes to our national position on the issue, I see some form of hypocrisy in the idea of condemning deserters for deserting a war we didn't want to fight.
Of course, the fools should have known what they were getting into. That's obvious. The US did go into Vietnam not so long ago. One ought to know that the US army tends to actually do some fighting around the world and sometimes for questionable reasons. And I'm curious about your opinion on that matter. What do you think of Vietnam deserters considering there was a draft?
How about the US Supreme Courts ruling on contentious objectors?
How about the US Armed Forces classification of 1-A-O.
How about desertion was not and is not the only option, for the voluntarily enlisted.
How about you knock off your condescending attitude and drop the bias.
I'll try to drop the condescending tone. But i'll keep my bias as you keep yours.
I'm far from being an expert in army issues. I'm sure the deserters could have tried to avoid the war more honourably inside the system. I'll agree with that.
Let's say they are not... (North Korean and Iranian deserters)
You seem to be under the impression I have a singularly dimensional view on this matter. You should avoid making such assumptions. You kow what they say about assumptions right
Point taken.
I've been to jail and prison. I was never raped.
Sometimes all that free food and training comes in handy.
I'm sincerely glad you weren't raped in prison.
