“Origin of the Universe Riddle Solved- and,er, It Wasn’t God”

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Such images are false and they are based according to the illusion in the Torah of Ezra that God created Adam to His image.

While the Torah itself declares that God is not a man and so He may forget, neither is He a son of man so that He may regret.

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Tell me atheists, without evasion: Who created everything in the universe?
 
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Such images are false and they are based according to the illusion in the Torah of Ezra that God created Adam to His image.

While the Torah itself declares that God is not a man and so He may forget, neither is He a son of man so that He may regret.

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Tell me atheists, without evasion: Who created the universe?
. . . and then it goes on to say that man was created in the image and likeness of God male and female, specifically a married male and female that had the authority to have a child. Take either term and it applies to physical appearance down to having 20 fingers and toes and they had dominion over somebody else. With God and his wife the Holy Ghost that same combination is found as it would be for Adam and Eve in a perfected state.
 

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. . . and then it goes on to say that man was created in the image and likeness of God male and female, specifically a married male and female that had the authority to have a child. Take either term and it applies to physical appearance down to having 20 fingers and toes and they had dominion over somebody else. With God and his wife the Holy Ghost that same combination is found as it would be for Adam and Eve in a perfected state.

I tell you the truth, you are not related to Jesus Christ in any way, but only by the name.
This is the idolatry and worse than the idolatry.
And you will lose in the Next Life, if you keep to such belief.
Neither Jesus nor anyone else can object or transgress the will of God; and neither Jesus nor anyone else will save the idolater and associater.
Jesus Christ will drive away the people related to him by name only, while they associate others with God Almighty.
 

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I tell you the truth, you are not related to Jesus Christ in any way, but only by the name.
This is the idolatry and worse than the idolatry.
And you will lose in the Next Life, if you keep to such belief.
Neither Jesus nor anyone else can object or transgress the will of God; and neither Jesus nor anyone else will save the idolater and associater.
Jesus Christ will drive away the people related to him by name only, while they associate others with God Almighty.
No,,you will
 

Twila

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Tell me atheists, without evasion: Who created everything in the universe?

I'm not so arrogant that I think a "who" created the universe. I don't believe in any gods. Not just your god.

I do not believe this universe or any of the other universes out there were created by a god for man.

I am not so close minded as to feel the need to believe that it was created.

spiritual pride is the most dangerous and arrogant of all sorts of pride - Samual Richardson - real live person who actually existed and did not bed small children or murder for glory.

I think your outcome is ominous in the end.

we think the same of yours. Weird, eh?
 

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and neither Jesus nor anyone else will save the idolater and associater.
So why has that become part of your mission? My version says God had taken care of all the little issues like that so we don't have to pick up his slack. Be happy to cover the material with you.

I doubt if Noah went around laughing and pointing out to people that they were going to die a horrible death. (when they are also restored to life at the Great White Throne as the dead that the Sea gives up.

I am not so close minded as to feel the need to believe that it was created.
Created and perfectly complex is possible in the same object. If He created forests at the end of day 3 that would include the whole eco system that we find in any forest on earth today, including the birds and insects that co developed with the trees.
 

Praxius

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And the vast majority of human beings on Earth are religious and believe in at least one God.

Has science disproven the existence of God or a god or several gods? It hasn't. In fact, with the likes of Thomas Aquinas, it has got closer to proving the existence of God than disproving him.

Also, I think it's sheer arrogance and self-righteous of scientists to keep coming out every so often to say that their new theory on the universe "disproves the existence of God", especially when nobody has ever got even close to disproving God's existence. Who are they to tell me what I should and shouldn't believe in? Humanity will still believe in gods and have religious beliefs centuries from now.

None of that disqualified anything from my previous comment.

I never said God doesn't or didn't exist. I said his existence is a theory. People believe in all sorts of theoretical ideas, science has plenty of this.

There is merely more evidence proving one or the other theory more than the next.

Nothing more, nothing less.
 

Dexter Sinister

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God is the absolute truth. How can anyone deny the Creator? How can everything in the universe be there without any Creator?
It's really pretty easy. Presumably the creator exists in the universe, where did the creator come from? If you're going to claim he's always existed and needs no explanation, as I'm sure you would, you must then admit that not everything that exists needs a creator, because the creator doesn't have one, and thus you instantly invalidate your position. You really need to learn how to think clearly. Even granting that this creator deity exists, you can't get from there to the Allah of the Quran without simply assuming the truth of what you want to believe is true. You've still got nothing worth taking seriously.
 

Bar Sinister

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Such images are false and they are based according to the illusion in the Torah of Ezra that God created Adam to His image.

While the Torah itself declares that God is not a man and so He may forget, neither is He a son of man so that He may regret.

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Tell me atheists, without evasion: Who created everything in the universe?

As an atheist I can truthfully say that no one knows. BTW that is pretty much what all atheists say. We are not actually arrogant enough to believe that a man-made system of beliefs has the answer to everything, especially beliefs based on tenuous and contradictory evidence.
 

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It's really pretty easy. Presumably the creator exists in the universe, where did the creator come from? If you're going to claim he's always existed and needs no explanation, as I'm sure you would, you must then admit that not everything that exists needs a creator, because the creator doesn't have one, and thus you instantly invalidate your position. You really need to learn how to think clearly. Even granting that this creator deity exists, you can't get from there to the Allah of the Quran without simply assuming the truth of what you want to believe is true. You've still got nothing worth taking seriously.
LOL. What if God, like the rest of us wee evolutionary critters is an evolutionary entity as well, composed of portions of all of humanity. Oh Gawd, I sure hope that evolutionary road was taken from the best of humanity. What if it choses indiscrimately!! We are doomed. .
 

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It's really pretty easy. Presumably the creator exists in the universe, where did the creator come from? If you're going to claim he's always existed and needs no explanation, as I'm sure you would, you must then admit that not everything that exists needs a creator, because the creator doesn't have one, and thus you instantly invalidate your position. You really need to learn how to think clearly. Even granting that this creator deity exists, you can't get from there to the Allah of the Quran without simply assuming the truth of what you want to believe is true. You've still got nothing worth taking seriously.

Yet we must have been created, hey., cuz here we are, wither by what process?


Omnipitance says it all.

Somethings at the top, if there is a top.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Phillip Johnson's ideas and arguments have been thoroughly discredited, I'm surprised and disappointed NOVA would give him the time of day. There is no coherent way to defend Intelligent Design as science, it's pure religious metaphysics that offers no new insights and adds nothing to our understanding.