Ontario Liberals Launch Positive, Non-Attack Ads for 2011 Provinicial Election

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

So did GST....

For Points Two and on see Mike Harris and his Common Sense Revolution (up to and including OPP head-bashing civil servants on the steps of the Legislature, Ipperwash and Adams Mine)

...or Rae's collision with reality before him

...or...just f'rinstance

Same tale - different donkey

You might think differently if you were a Caledonia resident forced to provide a passport to get to your home. Or have spotlights blasting into picture windows at night.

I remember a pretty hefty economic boom here in Ontario when Harris came in, I also remember all the whiners on speakers corner crying they couldn't find jobs and that their welfare was being cut when lo and behold there was tons of work. Harris was far from perfect, I could rattle of quite a few things to criticize him on, but McGuinty has worn out his welcome and Ontario needs a new government.

 

[mentalfloss]

Really? Killed the Reno business, created an underground economy. Almost caused a tax revolt when they tried to sneak that other enviromental tax in under the wire. How bout Caledonia and the lawsuits we had to pay because of the inaction of the McGuinty Government while locals were harassed bullied and even beaten as the OPP looked on? Then there was that first medicare tax. But in his second term he really meant it this time and then handed us the electronics landfill tax that got absolutely no coverage.

It's probably because people care more about complaining about taxes than realizing it's not as bad as they think it is. Cutting taxes is a ****ty bribery measure that doesn't really save people much.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

It's probably because people care more about complaining about taxes than realizing it's not as bad as they think it is. Cutting taxes is a ****ty bribery measure that doesn't really save people much.

Actually, I'd say the bribery comes with offering things like free Go rides or glasses for pre high school kids as pre-election promises. Things are very crappy in Ontario MF and it is not all McGuinty's fault, but it is most definitely a time to change government.

 

[DurkaDurka]

It's probably because people care more about complaining about taxes than realizing it's not as bad as they think it is. Cutting taxes is a ****ty bribery measure that doesn't really save people much.

Between the Health Care Premium and the HST, people do have a right to be upset. Considering we are already taxed quite heavily, an extra $500/y can add up, especially when we are seeing no benefits from the tax increases.

 

[mentalfloss]

Between the Health Care Premium and the HST, people do have a right to be upset. Considering we are already taxed quite heavily, an extra $500/y can add up, especially when we are seeing no benefits from the tax increases.

I can't speak for the health care premium but I have yet to see what kind of economic boon the HST has had for us. Businesses are supposed to be passing on the savings to consumers because of the additional revenue, but I don't see that happening.

 

[DurkaDurka]

McGuinty's the evil taxman, which means the most ancient conservatives are really raising a stink.

Forget "conservative" his record stands on its own. I personally feel that I have received zero benefit from the tax raises during his tenure, hospital wait times are still horribly long, roads are still horrible and transit systems are still broken.

Not to say that the NDP or Conservatives will be better, but we need a new face... it happens after winning a couple majorities.

Businesses are supposed to be passing on the savings to consumers because of the additional revenue, but I don't see that happening.

Yeah, that's the biggest lie of it all, it's just extra profit for the business, they aren't going to pass that along to anyone.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Forget "conservative" his record stands on its own. I personally feel that I have received zero benefit from the tax raises during his tenure, hospital wait times are still horribly long, roads are still horrible and transit systems are still broken.

Not to say that the NDP or Conservatives will be better, but we need a new face... it happens after winning a couple majorities.

You said it Durka, change is good for the people, regardless of politics.

 

[lone wolf]

You might think differently if you were a Caledonia resident forced to provide a passport to get to your home. Or have spotlights blasting into picture windows at night.

I remember a pretty hefty economic boom here in Ontario when Harris came in, I also remember all the whiners on speakers corner crying they couldn't find jobs and that their welfare was being cut when lo and behold there was tons of work. Harris was far from perfect, I could rattle of quite a few things to criticize him on, but McGuinty has worn out his welcome and Ontario needs a new government.

How did Harris front his boom?

 

[AlbertaFirst]

How can you be positive in a welfare province that is bereft of policy ideas and leadership? Ontario is now the second biggest recipient of interprovincial welfare payments. And yet they lecture others on how to run things. Grow up! Here's how:

1. Get a conservative government. I mean a real one. Not the weak snivelers you had last time.
2. Crush your public sector unions. Outlaw all defined benefit plans for new public sector employees.
3. Change your labour laws. Maybe your productivity will improve and the rest of Canada will no longer need to prop up your dying industries.
4. Stop creating negative carbon taxes. ( Oh for you Ontario people who are rather slow I am talking about what you call electric rate freezes. You now have a debt of over 30 billion from this stupid policy alone which is tried by every dumb government you have had--even so called conservative governments. It encourages the waste of energy. And it is hypocritical when you attack our oilsands--which are propping up your dying industries!

 

[DurkaDurka]

How can you be positive in a welfare province that is bereft of policy ideas and leadership? Ontario is now the second biggest recipient of interprovincial welfare payments. And yet they lecture others on how to run things. Grow up! Here's how:

1. Get a conservative government. I mean a real one. Not the weak snivelers you had last time.
2. Crush your public sector unions. Outlaw all defined benefit plans for new public sector employees.
3. Change your labour laws. Maybe your productivity will improve and the rest of Canada will no longer need to prop up your dying industries.
4. Stop creating negative carbon taxes. ( Oh for you Ontario people who are rather slow I am talking about what you call electric rate freezes. You now have a debt of over 30 billion from this stupid policy alone which is tried by every dumb government you have had--even so called conservative governments. It encourages the waste of energy. And it is hypocritical when you attack our oilsands--which are propping up your dying industries!

1. A conservative government doesn't mean everything just turns to gold. Aren't you Albertan's in the process of firing your "conservative" government? Apparently Stelmach isn't redneck enough for your liking.

2. Funny you should suggest we fire all our public union workers considering the number one employer in Alberta is the provincial government. Largest Employers 2010 | Alberta Venture | Western Business Insight

3. Change our labour laws? Can you give me an actual example of how our laws are lowering productivity?

4. There are no electricity rate freezes at the moment that I am aware of, my bill has been going increasing upwards if anything. If a $200/m hydro bill is "subsidized" or "cheap", you're on crack.

 

[lone wolf]

Name change for Durry?

 

[DurkaDurka]

Name change for Durry?

I think so, co-joined twins perhaps, each sharing the brain.

 

[SLM]

Positive ads/negative ads. It almost doesn't make a difference.

When I look at the selection of what's available, I can't help thinking we're screwed.

 

[AlbertaFirst]

1. A conservative government doesn't mean everything just turns to gold. Aren't you Albertan's in the process of firing your "conservative" government? Apparently Stelmach isn't redneck enough for your liking.

2. Funny you should suggest we fire all our public union workers considering the number one employer in Alberta is the provincial government. Largest Employers 2010 | Alberta Venture | Western Business Insight

3. Change our labour laws? Can you give me an actual example of how our laws are lowering productivity?

4. There are no electricity rate freezes at the moment that I am aware of, my bill has been going increasing upwards if anything. If a $200/m hydro bill is "subsidized" or "cheap", you're on crack.

1. I never said everything turns to gold. And you are behind the times. The conservatives would again form a healthy majority if an election were held today--because Stelmach has left. He was a bad premier. You would think he was from Ontario.

2. I never said fire all the public union workers. I said crush the Union. And so what if the Alberta provincial gov't is the number one employer. We have our unions under control and we can actually afford our public sector. You need an interprovincial welfare cheque!

3. I could write a book on your goofy labour laws. You want one example? Pay equity--goofy Ontario legislation. In Alberta no such thing. Wages are not determined by a consultant but hammered out on the anvil of supply and demand.

4. I never said your electricity was cheap. Glad to hear there are no freezes now since you haven't paid for the last 30 billion dollars worth. But it is because it does not pay for its full cost and it is hardly making a dent in your $30 billion dollar past debt. Further, tell me about this great idea of subisidizing solar and other non-competitive sources of energy. Another great McQuinty idea. This will further increase your "hydro" ( I presume this is what you call electricity) bill if they don't freeze your rates again to get elected. And of course this comes with the idea of creating "alternative" energy industy via subsidies and tariff protection. All failed policies of the past. That would be okay if you in Ontario actually footed the bill. But alas, you will just demand a bigger welfare cheque.

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[lone wolf]

From whence do all these bitter "hate Ontario" mouthpieces hail?

 

[petros]

$200 a month for hydro? How much per kWh?

 

[SLM]

From whence do all these bitter "hate Ontario" mouthpieces hail?

Good question.

Makes me wonder why we don't just create "I hate the west" posts, but then I remember, it's because we're not 12.

 

[DurkaDurka]

4. I never said your electricity was cheap. Glad to hear there are no freezes now since you haven't paid for the last 30 billion dollars worth. But it is because it does not pay for its full cost and it is hardly making a dent in your $30 billion dollar past debt. Further, tell me about this great idea of subisidizing solar and other non-competitive sources of energy. Another great McQuinty idea. This will further increase your "hydro" ( I presume this is what you call electricity) bill if they don't freeze your rates again to get elected. And of course this comes with the idea of creating "alternative" energy industy via subsidies and tariff protection. All failed policies of the past. That would be okay if you in Ontario actually footed the bill. But alas, you will just demand a bigger welfare cheque.

Most of the debt owed by the former Ontario Hydro is due to cost overruns with nuclean expansions in the 80's, and beyond the high fee's we pay for electricity we also get stuck with a debt retirement charge everything month.

McGuinty will be gone soon enough and I doubt his solar pet project will survive with the next government.

Ontario has taken equalization payments what, twice now? Suck it up, we more then paid our share over the years.

$200 a month for hydro? How much per kWh?

I haven't a clue, I just pay the bill. Part of it's my fault though, I leave all sorts of electronics running day and night + AC

 

[DaSleeper]

Copy of the pertinent part of my hydro bill.....

Note: I'm on equal billing...so the negative figure at the bottom means that Aug being the last month of the billing year...they owe me:smile:

And since the house was empty this last month the electricity used by the fridge and a few odds and ends is kinda overshadowed by the delivery and other charges......actual electricity used is only $11.28 from a total of $37.35.....

 

[Tonington]

That's really cheap compared to PEI. Service charge is $26.92 a month. With new legislation, the residential rate is down to $0.1205 cents per kilowatt hour up to the first 2000 kwh used, and $0.0920 for everything above 2000 kwh. I don't even save money if I do laundry at 1 am.