Ontario gets it right with move to higher minimum wage

White_Unifier

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That would be the 50 economists working for various left wing propaganda sheets that are currently getting minimum wage.



leftard troll mooching off his parents.

I bet progressive economists probably don't identify at all with much of the NDP platfrom. Instead, the NDP cherry picks what they say.

Read 'On Liberty' by John Stuart Mill. It's mostly a philosophical book but it does touch on economics too. He was what one could call a progressive economist, yet the NDP would shun many of his ideas today. Yet none can pretend that Mill didn't want the state to help the poor. He just understood how much the state could help the poor and understood that the state had to do so within the constraints of the laws of economics.

"Utilitarianism" discusses his economic views quite a bit too.
 

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The minimum wage has been raised two or three dozen times since WW2. Which one of those times was poverty eliminated?
 

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The minimum wage has been raised two or three dozen times since WW2. Which one of those times was poverty eliminated?

Over a 70 year period... so you are still saying it has been behind inflation since WW2... gee, I wonder why poverty is real :|
 

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Oh, so you are one of the culprits who drives up costs for the rests of us. Credit cards add about 3-5% to the cost of purchases! Shame on you!

Actually, I would support prohibiting banks from charging a business for simply allowing its client to use his credit card to make a purchase. Sure the banks would then just transfer the cost onto the cardholder, but then at least the card holder would know the true cost of using his credit card.
 

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Why is everyone so against a $15 minimum wage...

First off those bitching here, do you own a business?? Are you paying your employees a "living" wage or you just a greedy phuck?

The $15hr wage is return quicker to the economy than what the Republican tote as a solution to economic growth the trickle down method.. and it's improving the standard of living for millions...

We use to depend on Unions for fair wages, and workers rights... Unions are not as strong anymore so we must rely on our elected officials to help grow the economy...

$15/hr is a fair minimum wage.. and if you are a business that leaves Ontario or any state or Province because of this increase, I hope the people in that State or Province boycotts the shit out of your services or products
 

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Why is everyone so against a $15 minimum wage...

you paying your employees a "living" wage or you just a greedy phuck?
First off those bitching here, do you own a business?? Are
The $15hr wage is return quicker to the economy than what the Republican tote as a solution to economic growth the trickle down method.. and it's improving the standard of living for millions...

We use to depend on Unions for fair wages, and workers rights... Unions are not as strong anymore so we must rely on our elected officials to help grow the economy...

$15/hr is a fair minimum wage.. and if you are a business that leaves Ontario or any state or Province because of this increase, I hope the people in that State or Province boycotts the shit out of your services or products


"First off those bitching here, do you own a business?? Are you paying your employees a "living" wage or you just a greedy phuck?


Or are you just an Asshole? So you are OK with an arbitrary minimum wage whether the employee's job is to answer the phone 3 times an hour or if he/she spends the day shovelling 5 yards of gravel by hand? Raising the minimum wage has about the same effect on employees as a rising tide has on boats. At one time we had a working wage of $1 an hour and bread cost 10 cents a loaf. Now we have a wage at $11 an hour and bread costs $2 a loaf. Get the picture, there, Einstein?
 

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"First off those bitching here, do you own a business?? Are you paying your employees a "living" wage or you just a greedy phuck?


Or are you just an Asshole? So you are OK with an arbitrary minimum wage whether the employee's job is to answer the phone 3 times an hour or if he/she spends the day shovelling 5 yards of gravel by hand? Raising the minimum wage has about the same effect on employees as a rising tide has on boats. At one time we had a working wage of $1 an hour and bread cost 10 cents a loaf. Now we have a wage at $11 an hour and bread costs $2 a loaf. Get the picture, there, Einstein?

Actually shoveling 5 yards of gravel a day or any real labor should be paid more... just say'in

Spendable income is put back into the economy faster.. which boosts the economy..

Anyone who disagrees with a $15 minimum wage is just a greedy phuck
 

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Why is everyone so against a $15 minimum wage...

First off those bitching here, do you own a business?? Are you paying your employees a "living" wage or you just a greedy phuck?

The $15hr wage is return quicker to the economy than what the Republican tote as a solution to economic growth the trickle down method.. and it's improving the standard of living for millions...

We use to depend on Unions for fair wages, and workers rights... Unions are not as strong anymore so we must rely on our elected officials to help grow the economy...

$15/hr is a fair minimum wage.. and if you are a business that leaves Ontario or any state or Province because of this increase, I hope the people in that State or Province boycotts the shit out of your services or products

I oppose a mandatory minimum wage increase not out of spite for the less fortunate but out of reality.

Do I support generous social assistance to those who cannot work? Sure.

Could I support free trades and professional training programmes for the poor and maybe even room and board and maybe even vouchers for other essentials while they upgrade their skills? Sure. By raising the person's skill set, we make him more valuable to a potential employer who will then offer to pay more to attract him due to his higher productivity.

But if we raise the mandatory minimum wage without also raising funding for trades and professional training, then we're essentially legislating the poor out of the labour market.

Now what I could support would be an officially recommended minimum wage below which a person could quit his job without penalty.

To take an example. Imagine that the officially recommended minimum wage is 15.00/hour and social assistance gives roughly the equivalent of 5.00/hour. A person who's paid less than the officially-recommended minimum could still keep his job if it pays better than social assistance but, since he's paid below the official minimum, could still apply for trades or professional education along with room and board. Once approved for the course, he could then hand in his resignation to coincide with the first day of training. That way, at least up to the training day, he's getting paid more than what social assistance could offer him.

I could even support legally mandating an employer to inform any employee paid below the minimum wage of this right even before they sign the contract.

I oppose a mandatory minimum wage not out of a lack of compassion for the poor, but precisely for the benefit of the poor.
 

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B00Mer;2484191 Anyone who disagrees with a $15 minimum wage is just a greedy phuck[/QUOTE said:
No!!!!!!!!!! Maybe they just disagree with having to spend an arm and leg to buy a hamburger!
 

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Reality:
Faced with rising labor costs, fast-food giant Wendy's has announced a plan to replace employees with self-ordering kiosks in 1,000 stores by the end of the year. Former McDonald's USA CEO Ed Rensi says Wendy's move is a direct response to the push for a minimum wage increase to $15-an hour, and he believes automation is here to stay.

“No question about it, Rensi told the FOX Business Network’s Stuart Varney. "It’s not only the minimum wage, it’s the work rules, it’s the joint employment requirement, now the franchisors are responsible for the labor practices of franchisees. It’s all nonsense, it’s over-regulation."
Former McDonald's USA CEO: Robots to Replace People in the Service Industry Going Forward | Fox Business

What
remaining employees
?

The stock market is luvin' McDonalds stock, which has continued its recent relentless rise to all time highs, up 26% YTD, oblivious to the carnage among the broader restaurant and fast-food sector. There is a reason for Wall Street's euphoria: the same one we discussed in January in "Dear Bernie, Meet the "Big Mac ATM" That Will Replace All Of Your $15 Per Hour Fast Food Workers."
McDonalds Is Replacing 2,500 Human Cashiers With Digital Kiosks: Here Is Its Math | Zero Hedge
 

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Eh would they have to spend an arm and a leg for a hamburger?

With automation staff is being cut, profit is going up.. it's only fair to compensate the remaining employees


Maybe, if the machines don't break down resulting in costly repairs. A lot of times there's no reduction in employees as the employees are now often used for running and repairing machines, whether you hire him directly or indirectly.
 

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Eh would they have to spend an arm and a leg for a hamburger?

With automation staff is being cut, profit is going up.. it's only fair to compensate the remaining employees

And what do we do with those who lose their jobs?