Ontario gets it right with move to higher minimum wage

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Ontario gets it right with move to higher minimum wage

The Ontario government's decision to raise the provincial minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2019 has set off a storm of predictable criticisms. Higher wages will, it is said, result in job losses, raise consumer prices and will do little to help low-wage workers. One constituency that has mostly declined to join this chorus of boos has been professional economists. What is the view of research economists on the consequences of this interference with the market mechanism?

A generation ago, most economists believed that minimum wages constituted a classic parable of self-defeating interventionism – a well-meaning attempt to dictate higher wages only reduced employment, thus hurting the very workers they were supposed to help.

This view was based on the belief the labour market behaves like a classic competitive market, in which the forces of demand and supply determine wages, over which employers have no control. Earlier empirical work reinforced these beliefs. It was also believed that higher minimum wages would do little to reduce inequality and improve the lot of low-wage workers – in part because the benefits to those who kept their jobs would be offset by costs imposed on job losers, and also because many minimum-wage workers were assumed to be teenagers in well-to-do families.

But most research economists abandoned this simple-minded picture some time ago. For over 20 years now, many highly credible studies have found that the disemployment effects of higher minimum wages are generally very close to zero. The pioneering empirical work by Princeton economists David Card (a Canadian) and Alan Krueger in the 1990s investigated empirical data on the impacts of real-world minimum-wage increases by carefully studying the natural experiments created when one jurisdiction increased its minimum wage, but others – often right across a state boundary – did not.

Their results shocked the economics profession. They found almost no impact of higher minimum wages on employment – and in some cases higher minimum wages were associated with more employment. Their now-classic book, Myth and Measurement, published in 1995, initially sparked enormous controversy. But the essence of scientific advance is the replication of empirical results. Since then, many highly credible empirical studies have confirmed the basic findings: there is almost no employment impact from moderate increases in minimum wages. Substantial recent research in Canada, the United States and Britain also concludes that higher minimum wages succeed in lifting incomes for low-paid workers and reducing wage inequality.

The prevailing view of how labour markets function has also changed dramatically. Building on pioneering work by Peter Diamond, Dale Mortensen and Chris Pissarides – for which they received the Nobel Prize in 2010 – most economists now employ models with imperfect information and search frictions, rather than the simple competitive model (with its strong assumptions, like perfect information). In such an environment, employers have some market power in wage setting.

"High-wage" and "low-wage" firms can co-exist in the same sector, since high-wage employers benefit from lower recruitment costs, reduced turnover and perhaps more motivated employees. In this environment, economic theory implies that moderately higher minimum wages can increase or decrease employment.

In today's new consensus, Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman cites Mr. Card and Mr. Krueger with starting an "intellectual revolution" in economics. Seven other Nobel Prize winners endorse a 40-per-cent increase in the U.S. minimum wage and a former editor of The Economist, the world's most influential free-market voice, recently called for big minimum-wage hikes to help boost lacklustre purchasing power across the industrialized world.

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most economists now employ models with imperfect information and search frictions, rather than the simple competitive model (with its strong assumptions, like perfect information). In such an environment, employers have some market power in wage setting.
The problem with these models is they tend to disregard the one major variable; human behaviour.
And being economists, they should also understand that most employers' biggest expense is wages/salaries. Publicly traded companies have shareholders to answer to and higher wages means lower profits. And since publicly traded companies are now expected by law to do everything they can to maintain or increase profits for shareholders, one can see price increases coming down the pipe as a result. For the smaller operations with a handful of employees, a 24% increase in minimum wage over 18 months will be too much for them to handle. Thus we'll see even more small business fail or simply just pack it up.
With other expenses to deal with like exorbitant hydro bills, I don't see anyone but the large corporations benefiting from this. We already have several businesses that are threatening to or have already relocated to more business friendly environments while others are planning on or have already expanded their operations to more business friendly environments.
Maybe of Ontario had been working to make the province more business friendly, the increase in minimum wage wouldn't be such a big hit in the bottom line.
Hell, even the manufacturers of green energy components are bailing out of the province. The plant in Windsor is shutting down (if it already hasn't) and setting up shop in Michigan.

It would seem that the economists in your OP are concentrating solely on the increase in minimum wage without considering the other relatively recent increases in the costs of doing business in Ontario.
 

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Ontario gets it right with move to higher minimum wage

The Ontario government's decision to raise the provincial minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2019 has set off a storm of predictable criticisms. Higher wages will, it is said, result in job losses, raise consumer prices and will do little to help low-wage workers. One constituency that has mostly declined to join this chorus of boos has been professional economists. What is the view of research economists on the consequences of this interference with the market mechanism?

A generation ago, most economists believed that minimum wages constituted a classic parable of self-defeating interventionism – a well-meaning attempt to dictate higher wages only reduced employment, thus hurting the very workers they were supposed to help.

This view was based on the belief the labour market behaves like a classic competitive market, in which the forces of demand and supply determine wages, over which employers have no control. Earlier empirical work reinforced these beliefs. It was also believed that higher minimum wages would do little to reduce inequality and improve the lot of low-wage workers – in part because the benefits to those who kept their jobs would be offset by costs imposed on job losers, and also because many minimum-wage workers were assumed to be teenagers in well-to-do families.

But most research economists abandoned this simple-minded picture some time ago. For over 20 years now, many highly credible studies have found that the disemployment effects of higher minimum wages are generally very close to zero. The pioneering empirical work by Princeton economists David Card (a Canadian) and Alan Krueger in the 1990s investigated empirical data on the impacts of real-world minimum-wage increases by carefully studying the natural experiments created when one jurisdiction increased its minimum wage, but others – often right across a state boundary – did not.

Their results shocked the economics profession. They found almost no impact of higher minimum wages on employment – and in some cases higher minimum wages were associated with more employment. Their now-classic book, Myth and Measurement, published in 1995, initially sparked enormous controversy. But the essence of scientific advance is the replication of empirical results. Since then, many highly credible empirical studies have confirmed the basic findings: there is almost no employment impact from moderate increases in minimum wages. Substantial recent research in Canada, the United States and Britain also concludes that higher minimum wages succeed in lifting incomes for low-paid workers and reducing wage inequality.

The prevailing view of how labour markets function has also changed dramatically. Building on pioneering work by Peter Diamond, Dale Mortensen and Chris Pissarides – for which they received the Nobel Prize in 2010 – most economists now employ models with imperfect information and search frictions, rather than the simple competitive model (with its strong assumptions, like perfect information). In such an environment, employers have some market power in wage setting.

"High-wage" and "low-wage" firms can co-exist in the same sector, since high-wage employers benefit from lower recruitment costs, reduced turnover and perhaps more motivated employees. In this environment, economic theory implies that moderately higher minimum wages can increase or decrease employment.

In today's new consensus, Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman cites Mr. Card and Mr. Krueger with starting an "intellectual revolution" in economics. Seven other Nobel Prize winners endorse a 40-per-cent increase in the U.S. minimum wage and a former editor of The Economist, the world's most influential free-market voice, recently called for big minimum-wage hikes to help boost lacklustre purchasing power across the industrialized world.

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Liberals Laud Alan Krueger’s Fatally Flawed Minimum Wage StudyLachlan Markay

6 years ago

Alan Krueger, President Obama’s nominee as chair of the White House Council on Economic Advisors, received accolades from liberals yesterday for his stances on a number of major economic issues, including his support for a cap and trade regime, and value added tax, and the Cash for Clunkers program.

But few of his contributions to economics are more widely hailed by the left than*a single study*he published with David Card in 1993 which purported to show that a higher minimum wage does not necessarily lead to greater unemployment, as many economists claimed. The study examined the effects of New Jersey’s 1992 minimum wage hike on employment in the fast food industry, using neighboring Pennsylvania as a control group.

The study found that employment at the New Jersey fast food restaurants actually increased at a greater rate than those in Pennsylvania after the former increased its minimum wage. Those findings were touted far and wide by liberal politicians, including Bill Clinton’s Labor Secretary Robert Reich and the late Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA), as evidence of the beneficent economic effects of a higher minimum wage.

But subsequent reviews of the study showed fatal flaws that undermined its findings. In 1996,*a review of the study*by the Employment Policies Institute found that the data sets Krueger and Card used were so badly flawed that “no credible conclusions can be drawn from the report.” Specifically, the study found, “the data set used in the New Jersey study bears no relation to numbers drawn from payroll records of the restaurants the New Jersey study claims to cover.”


Rather than look at those payroll records, Krueger and Card called fast food managers in New Jersey and Pennsylvania to ask about changes in employment at their restaurants. But not only did the data they obtained inaccurately reflect changes in fast food employment in the two states, according to the EPI, about a third of their data points got the*direction*of hiring wrong – that is, the data showed restaurants reduced employment when they actually increased it, and vice versa, during the period measured.

The actual payroll records told a very different story. When David Neumark and William Wascher*re-evaluated the study, they found that data collected using those records “lead to the opposite conclusion from that reached by” Card and Krueger.

“[E]stimates based on the payroll data,” wrote Neumark and Wascher, “suggest that the New Jersey minimum wage increase led to a 4.6 percent decrease in employment in New Jersey relative to the Pennsylvania control group.” In other words, the New Jersey/Pennsylvania case study supports the basic economic notion that increasing the cost of hiring a worker will generally lead to fewer workers hired.

Subsequent studies on the effects of the minimum wage on employment and income lent weight to that position.*Another Neumark-Wascher studyfound “’no compelling evidence’ that minimum wages help in the fight against poverty,” according to the National Bureau of Economic Research Digest. “A higher minimum wage…generates tradeoffs with respect to the incomes of poor and low-income families. Some families gain and others lose.”

A study*conducted by Neumark and Olena Nizalova in 2004 found that a higher minimum wage can even have adverse on the individual workers (rather than simply on a business or economy as a whole). “[E]ven as individuals reach their late 20’s,” they wrote, “they work less and earn less the longer they were exposed to a higher minimum wage, especially as a teenager.”

A 1999 examination*of French and American minimum wage laws by John Abowd, Francis Kramarz, and David Margolis found that they were “associated with mild employment effects in general and very strong effects on workers employed at the minimum wage… *In the United States, a decrease in the real minimum wage of 1% increases the probability that a man (woman) employed at the minimum wage came from unemployment in the previous year by 0.4% (1.6%).”

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Ontario gets it right with move to higher minimum wage

It puts seniors and the disabled further behind. As wages climb, so do prices - but pensions seldom do. Screw the Big Mac.... What's it do to the cost of a loaf of bread?

It puts seniors and the disabled further behind. As wages climb, so do prices - but pensions seldom do


Hey Malarkey!.... Shove your propaganda where the crows can't get it
 

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Ontario gets it right with move to higher minimum wage

The Ontario government's decision to raise the provincial minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2019 has set off a storm of predictable criticisms. Higher wages will, it is said, result in job losses, raise consumer prices and will do little to help low-wage workers. One constituency that has mostly declined to join this chorus of boos has been professional economists. What is the view of research economists on the consequences of this interference with the market mechanism?

A generation ago, most economists believed that minimum wages constituted a classic parable of self-defeating interventionism – a well-meaning attempt to dictate higher wages only reduced employment, thus hurting the very workers they were supposed to help.

This view was based on the belief the labour market behaves like a classic competitive market, in which the forces of demand and supply determine wages, over which employers have no control. Earlier empirical work reinforced these beliefs. It was also believed that higher minimum wages would do little to reduce inequality and improve the lot of low-wage workers – in part because the benefits to those who kept their jobs would be offset by costs imposed on job losers, and also because many minimum-wage workers were assumed to be teenagers in well-to-do families.

But most research economists abandoned this simple-minded picture some time ago. For over 20 years now, many highly credible studies have found that the disemployment effects of higher minimum wages are generally very close to zero. The pioneering empirical work by Princeton economists David Card (a Canadian) and Alan Krueger in the 1990s investigated empirical data on the impacts of real-world minimum-wage increases by carefully studying the natural experiments created when one jurisdiction increased its minimum wage, but others – often right across a state boundary – did not.

Their results shocked the economics profession. They found almost no impact of higher minimum wages on employment – and in some cases higher minimum wages were associated with more employment. Their now-classic book, Myth and Measurement, published in 1995, initially sparked enormous controversy. But the essence of scientific advance is the replication of empirical results. Since then, many highly credible empirical studies have confirmed the basic findings: there is almost no employment impact from moderate increases in minimum wages. Substantial recent research in Canada, the United States and Britain also concludes that higher minimum wages succeed in lifting incomes for low-paid workers and reducing wage inequality.

The prevailing view of how labour markets function has also changed dramatically. Building on pioneering work by Peter Diamond, Dale Mortensen and Chris Pissarides – for which they received the Nobel Prize in 2010 – most economists now employ models with imperfect information and search frictions, rather than the simple competitive model (with its strong assumptions, like perfect information). In such an environment, employers have some market power in wage setting.

"High-wage" and "low-wage" firms can co-exist in the same sector, since high-wage employers benefit from lower recruitment costs, reduced turnover and perhaps more motivated employees. In this environment, economic theory implies that moderately higher minimum wages can increase or decrease employment.

In today's new consensus, Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman cites Mr. Card and Mr. Krueger with starting an "intellectual revolution" in economics. Seven other Nobel Prize winners endorse a 40-per-cent increase in the U.S. minimum wage and a former editor of The Economist, the world's most influential free-market voice, recently called for big minimum-wage hikes to help boost lacklustre purchasing power across the industrialized world.

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If it can get her reelected, Who gives a $hit about any unforeseen consequences
 

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Here's a fun fact I learned about economists from a friend of mine who is a Professor of Economics. If you ask 3 economists the same question, you'll get four different answers.
 

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China Robots Displace Workers as Wage Spiral Pressures Profits

Turnover at the facility in Hanchuan in Hubei province in central China is running at 20 percent, even while wages have been growing by double digits for his 400-plus workers every year.

“Labor costs are getting just too high,” he said.

All of which explains why Hu, 34, is embracing China’s robotics revolution. He has added 40 new robots, each costing 40,000 yuan ($5,850), this year to replace dozens of workers tasked with cutting plastic molding. Eventually the factory will use a quarter fewer workers than today, without having to reduce annual production, he said. Hu also said he plans to shift more production away from making simple components and towards producing higher-margin branded strollers.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...lace-workers-as-wage-spiral-pressures-profits

Great. Let's lower everyone's wage and watch the economy boom. Want to be first in line for that program?

It's called piecework.
I always worked that way - If it isn't done right, and on time, I might loose, and I retired at 55.

Without proper price discovery nothing economic will work for long.
 

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Of course, unobserved factors, such as Seattle’s hot labor market compared to that in Synthetic Seattle (Tu, Lerman and Gates 2017), may have positively affected Seattle’s low-wage employment during this period.

We will monitor this possibility as the city’s $15 policy continues to phase in. And Seattle makes up just one case study;examination of a wider set of cities may lead to different conclusions. Our future reports will throwfurther light on this possibility.
http://irle.berkeley.edu/files/2017/Seattles-Minimum-Wage-Experiences-2015-16.pdf

Not really telling and not really up to date.
 

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The one last week was better.

When Seattle officials voted three years ago to incrementally boost the city's minimum wage up to $15 an hour, they'd hoped to improve the lives of low-income workers. Yet according to a major new study that could force economists to reassess past research on the issue, the hike has had the opposite effect.


The city is gradually increasing the hourly minimum to $15 over several years. Already, though, some employers have not been able to afford the increased minimums. They've cut their payrolls, putting off new hiring, reducing hours or letting their workers go, the study found.


The costs to low-wage workers in Seattle outweighed the benefits by a ratio of three to one, according to the study, conducted by a group of economists at the University of Washington who were commissioned by the city. The study, published as a working paper Monday by the National Bureau of Economic Research, has not yet been peer reviewed.





On the whole, the study estimates, the average low-wage worker in the city lost $125 a month because of the hike in the minimum.
The paper's conclusions contradict years of research on the minimum wage. Many past studies, by contrast, have found that the benefits of increases for low-wage workers exceed the costs in terms of reduced employment -- often by a factor of four or five to one.


"This strikes me as a study that is likely to influence people," said David Autor, an economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who was not involved in the research. He called the work "very credible" and "sufficiently compelling in its design and statistical power that it can change minds."


Yet the study will not put an end to the dispute. Experts cautioned that the effects of the minimum wage may vary according to the industries dominant in the cities where they are implemented along with overall economic conditions in the country as a whole.
And critics of the research pointed out what they saw as serious shortcomings. In particular, to avoid confusing establishments that were subject to the minimum with those that were not, the authors did not include large employers with locations both inside and outside of Seattle in their calculations. Skeptics argued that omission could explain the unusual results.


"Like, whoa, what? Where did you get this?" asked Ben Zipperer, an economist at the left-leaning Economic Policy Institute (EPI) in Washington.


"My view of the research is that it seems to work," he said. "The minimum wage in general seems to do exactly what it’s intended to do, and that’s to raise wages for low-wage workers, with little negative consequence in terms of job loss."


Economists might not readily dismiss the new study as an outlier, however. The paper published Monday makes use of more detailed data than have been available in past research, drawing on state records of wages and hours for individual employees.


As a result, the paper is likely to upend a debate that has continued among economists, politicians, businesses and labor organizers for decades. In particular, the results could exacerbate divisions among Democrats, who are seeking an economic agenda to counter President Trump's pitches for protectionism, reduced taxes and restrictions on immigration.


Meanwhile, states and cities around the country are continuing to implement increases in the minimum wage. In November, voters in Washington approved an increase in the statewide minimum to $13.50 an hour by 2020. The idea is popular in conservative states as well. In Arizona, for instance, the minimum wage will be $12 an hour in 2020 after voters there cast ballots in favor of a hike.
"If I were a Seattle lawmaker, I would be thinking hard about the $15 an hour phase-in," Autor said.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.83225a0f6082


Social engineering fail, or just something we can ignore?


Either way, dollars to doughnuts it don't change anybody's mind.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/us-american-politics/152791-ruh-roh-rorge.html