Not here in Canada. She wants to live here she must adapt to our ways.
It is not incumbent upon us to adapt to other cultures in our own country.
She must make the change. She is not 6 years old anymore and they already know what she looks like.
Ontario Court rejects the right to wear niqab
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It is not incumbent upon us to adapt to other cultures in our own country.
She must make the change. She is not 6 years old anymore and they already know what she looks like.
Nobody has been able yet to convince me what difference it will make in her testimony, it seems to come down to this argument. 'Our country, adapt'.
I really don't feel that's enough of a reason to make a woman give up what she perceives as her modesty.
I understand where you are coming from Karrie.......but, there is nothing in Islamic law that makes wearing of the niqab a necessity. This is a personal decision by the woman. It is not as if she cannot cover the entirety of her body - just her face must be revealed. I fail to see how that really insults her modesty.
This is a fair decision, IMO.
There is no reason to be such a lout. Why be insulting?
Your attitude is so disrespectful.
If you cannot conduct your self as an adult whilst posting an opinion on this subject then say nothing at all please.
Albert Einstein must have had men of your ilk in mind when he said the following:
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
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Wearing a head dress is a tradition far far older than Islam or Christianity. Perhaps to them it may feel the same as exposing their genitalia or breasts but that doesn't mean accomodations can't be made. If need be she could attend but testiffy open faced to women of the Court who can verify her identity behind a screen.
It's not that hard of thing to accomdate so this is more or less an us Vs. them situation.
You forgot the toque and the double edge axe........
But we have advanced now to chain saws and tree farmers and rip free pants and jackets when we all go wood cutting............
RIP Paul B.
I suggest it is the other way around.
We are not trying to convince you of anything as far as I can tell. We are merely stating our opinions on the subject for that is what this forum is about.
However, you are definitely trying to convince us that your "feelings" on the subject are the only ones that are correct and acceptable.
Has it occurred to you that we folks in our 60s, and older, grew up in and were adults in a vastly different Canada?
None of these cultural dilemmas existed then. We were all Canadians outside of our homes. Cultural traditions were celebrated within one's home, church or community centre. We Canadians have our own traditions; we have our own culture that developed over the centuries. I did not agree with
"multi-culturalism" when it was foisted upon us. The ensuing difficulties arising today find their genesis in that governmental decision. We didn't have groups of immigrant peoples demanding to have the right to replace our ways with theirs. Folk were grateful to be granted permission to live and thrive in Canada as Canadians. Now it seems popular for newcomers to be excessively demanding.
Some folk have the ridiculous idea that we should just step back and allow Canada to morph into an unrecognizable nation so that immigrants can feel more comfortable here. Well what about us who have worked our butts off and paid our taxes to support immigrants for the past 40+ years? We certainly don't get any extra perks.
Perhaps you can hardly wait for us older people to die off so that you can re -create Canada in exactly the way you "feel" it should be? You will get that wish sooner or later but until then you cannot do whatever you please with Canada's culture. We, and many of our peers, are starting to feel like foreigners in our own city. Good grief!!!!
By the way, I am not a bigot. We have many close friends, for over 30 years, that are Indian Sikhs, Pakistani, Filipinos, Chinese, Fijian, Swedish Icelalndic and so on; hese are treasured friends. When our Sikh friends daughter married here in greater Vancouver we wore traditional Indian clothing and followed all the traditions out of respect for the family.
When we visit another country we obey their laws and cultural mores...we do not force ours on them. That would be quite disrespectful wouldn't it?
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I apologize to the descendants of the aboriginal settlers of this great continent who were established here long before my ancestors knew these lands existed. I neglected to recognize your culture as the foundation of Canada and vital contributer to our way of life as we modern Canadians know it now.
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Elder, I'm not even going to warrant that collection of words you put in my mouth, with a detailed response, other than to point out you're awfully bad at mind reading.
Whether Islamic law calls for it isn't the point. Islamic law calls for a lot of things that should have no bearing on the decisions made in our legal system. So does any religious law frankly. I'm addressing it not from a cultural standpoint, but looking at it from the point of view of this woman, and this woman alone. I know for you and me, it is no injury to our modesty to have our faces uncovered in public. Just like, for me, it's no insult to my modesty to have my hair showing. Or my ankles showing. And really, logically, where is the insult to modesty in either of those? But, for many of the Mennonite women I lived around in High Level and Fort St John, that was an integral part of their modesty for some weird religious reason. It didn't need to make sense to me. But I also didn't need to discredit their feelings just because I don't like the religious root of the way they dress.
Whether Islamic law calls for it isn't the point. Islamic law calls for a lot of things that should have no bearing on the decisions made in our legal system. So does any religious law frankly. I'm addressing it not from a cultural standpoint, but looking at it from the point of view of this woman, and this woman alone. I know for you and me, it is no injury to our modesty to have our faces uncovered in public. Just like, for me, it's no insult to my modesty to have my hair showing. Or my ankles showing. And really, logically, where is the insult to modesty in either of those? But, for many of the Mennonite women I lived around in High Level and Fort St John, that was an integral part of their modesty for some weird religious reason. It didn't need to make sense to me. But I also didn't need to discredit their feelings just because I don't like the religious root of the way they dress.
How did this (the long standing tradition female head dress in the Mid East and fine by me today):
Get to this:
Even with just the eyes exposed, I can still tell she's a hottie. I guess it doesn't work?
Get to this:
Even with just the eyes exposed, I can still tell she's a hottie. I guess it doesn't work?
I do not speak for anyone here in Canadian content. My opinions are based on my own thoughts and those of my husband and peers with whom I have discussed this issue.
But I can still tell she's a hottie.
It's not windy and dusty here so they should give up their fashions?
fukk off. whilst typing at moi, s'il vous ****king plait.
Your hubbie probably sat there, as usual, gobsmacked, while you expounded again and again and again.
You carry the castration clamps in your purse...........?
:-(
Holy crap Petros, and I get dissed for talking boobs........................t'aint fair, McGee.
The twits just obeyed their everlovin, wife beatin husbands, Rocket.
But, if the lady had good boobs...........................??? Still haven't answered that. Just ran off at the keyboard, like a newbie.
There are a number of ancient traditions that are directly associated with Islam that we don't embrace into Western culture. Child-brides and death sentences for infidelity are 2 that come to mind. It's pretty disingenuous for any one person or group to pick and choose only select items from the old world and dismiss the unpleasant ones that are also a foundation of their former culture
At the end of the day, the legal system in Canada is what it is and the established tradition here is that the defendant has the opportunity to directly face their accuser.
How did this (the long standing tradition female head dress in the Mid East and fine by me today):
Get to this:
Even with just the eyes exposed, I can still tell she's a hottie. I guess it doesn't work?
That looks like Justin Beiber, are you sure you aren't gay?