125 years ago all drugs and prostitution were legal.
Today the exact same number of women and men work in prostitution and the rate of bottom end alcoholism and drug abuse is identical.
Why are they illegal today? It's a very hard market to tax.
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Today the exact same number of women and men work in prostitution and the rate of bottom end alcoholism and drug abuse is identical.
Why are they illegal today? It's a very hard market to tax.
Prostitution in Nevada works fine from what I've read. Brothels are inspected, sex workers are secure in having body guards working for them and property values are unaffected.
I guess you just don't grasp the concept, so there is no point.
Of couse the courts can nullify any law passed by Parliament that is an abridgement of the Charter. That's what PARLIAMENT passed the Charter for. To protect our rights.
Without that, what would the Charter mean?
If you don't grasp this basic concept, there is little point discussing it with you. Continue with your bizarre fear that homosexuality is a contagious plague.
So you think that passing our moral destiny to 9 political hack lawyers, each with his own axe to grind and soapbox to bark from, guarantees our 'rights'. Ask that of a fetus who has just been torn limb from limb to protect our rights. Do you believe that type of arrogance will end in the womb.
Do you really believe that ANYTHING cannot be rationalized with enough sophistry and 'logical' acrobatics, framed in the most impressive semantics.
Look at our Chief Justice, Bev McLachlin, an individual of monumental intellectual and moral mediocrity. Of course there are lots of politicians of the same ilk, but atleast they have to answer to their electorate every 4 years. Supreme Court justices are appointed for life never have to answer to anyone, except their own twisted consciences.. corrupted absolutely by absolute power.
And i never homosexuality was a plague, i said it was intrinsically evil.. and as we all know the acceptance of evil is product of the will, not nature. And that will exists at the personal and at the societal level.
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The fact that you believe that pretty much makes everything else you say meaningless, if it weren't already transparently stupid.
'Intrinsically evil' is a better term for people such as yourself. Find a mirror.
Previously you said the reason why you believe the Supreme Court was an activist court destroying our nation's moral fabric was because the court made abortion and sodomy legal and were going to make prostitution legal. Remember when you said that? I told you that this never happened and that prostitution was already legal, thereby knocking the foundations of your argument out from under it. Now you've responded with different reasons to support the same conclusion.
Do you see what's wrong here? People who are intellectually honest observe the facts and then make an opinion. It seems obvious here that you had the opinion to begin with, then fabricated the facts to use as supporting reasons. When those facts were shown to be wrong, you didn't question your opinion, you just went out looking for new reasons.
In other words, you are going to hold this opinion of the supreme court regardless of reality. In this thread, you've demonstrated as much.
Section 33 of the Charter gives Parliament the ability to overrule the courts on almost every right and freedom given in the Charter. This includes freedom of religion, expression, the press, peaceful assembly, and association, the right to life, liberty and security, unreasonable search and seizure, arbitrary detention, legal counsel, habeas corpus, the presumption of innocence, cruel and unusual punishment and equality before the law.
Since you already mentioned the notwithstanding clause, you probably should have known this and not have made the comment that the people have no ability to check the court.
So once again, the courts are not destroying the moral fabric of the country. When the courts overturn a law, it usually only remains that way because Parliament doesn't want to exercise its right to overrule the court. Parliament is democratically elected. It is representative of the people. Parliament won't do something it believes will be widely unpopular. Who then is to blame when the Parliament does nothing to prevent the courts from overturning laws? The people of Canada.
You believe otherwise because you are ignorant of the law and the constitution. And because you want to believe otherwise. When your ignorance is corrected, you go on believing the false conclusions that ignorance once supported. You go off to find new reasons to support your already arrived at conclusion.
It has NEVER been used.
It is the Catch 22 in the Charter, that once something has been dictated by the courts, no elected official has had the courage to challenge it.
The fact is the Courts are NOT competent to decide the moral standards of a community. In a Parliamentary system their role is to enforce justice as determined by the laws enacted by legislatures and Parliament, by the will of the people through their elected representatives.
The Charter has had a such a profound effect on the legislating of laws, that it in fact has completely redefined the role of Parliament, and the obligation of laws to reach a consensus between protection of individual rights, the commensurate responsibilities those rights entail, the welfare of the community as a whole and the protection of critical institutions.. like those necessary for the rearing of children in a safe and constructive environment, like marriage. It has utterly undermined the sovereignty and integrity of Parliament, making it subserviant to the Court.
Look back to the debate on Homosexual Marrriage. Again and again the argument of the imminent overturning of the Marriage legislation by the courts was used to justify it. Never was the prospect of the Not Withstanding clause raised by that little nitwit Chretien.
It was spawned directly from the Charter. Look at the comments of SC Justices at the time, levelling an explicit threat that unless Parliament acted.. they would. In a generation our society has legitimized the casting of vulnerable young people to a world of misery, debauchery and predation that comprises the homosexual 'lifestyle'.. so that they can realize this (completely fictional) genetic predisposition without prejudice.
The lack of abortion laws has much deeper causes formed of a desperate collapse of confidence in our society.. and the rise of radical individualism beyond any responsibility to protect our young . No civilization or society has survived that consigns its own children to a holocaust in the interests of individual liberty.
But essentially we've found a rationale for all this in the sophistry of a judicial tyranny.
All of the worst predictions of those opposed to the Charter at its inception have been realized. With a clogging of the courts of ever more narrowly defined 'victims' groups adjudicated by an arrogant, reckless and unaccountable judiciary. The most specious defintion of 'rights' now rules.
The 'American disease' as it was termed has been imported into our system.. without any of the checks and balances implicit with its Constitution.
As to your comments on prostitution.. Communicating for the purpose of prostitution is illegal.. or it was pending the latest court decision. It was framed in this way to allow communities to control prostitution without having to present evidence of the object of those communications, a sexual act.
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And you're blaming that on the court? Parliament has never used their legal rights, and it's the court's fault?
The question is why have a Charter at all if we had the type of Parliamentarians with the courage to represent the moral interests of their electorates.
The implicit assumption in having a Charter is that we need an aristocratic intelligentsia to define or moral codes. The actual fact is we've turned over our moral destiny to idiots like Bev McLachlin.
The Charter was foisted upon us. It has never worked.. and ultimately if the people of Canada don't take back control of its Constitution from these judicial usurpers.. i guess its our fault... because they are imposing a reckless and dangerous age upon us.
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If you think the Charter is to define moral codes, then I feel pity for you. No wonder you cannot figure out who to blame for Parliament's lack of desire to enact your laws for you.
They may be imposing on you and your puritanical ideals of morality but most of us have evolved beyond the Inquisition and don't feel that giving equal rights to formerly persecuted sections of society is an imposition. The Vatican is a relic of a by gone day we would rather forget. You , on the other hand, would love to be the head Inquisitor and inflict your archaic morality on the rest of us..
Right, Cliffy.. a social evolution back to the Stone Age.. where gratification and force rule. That is the alternative to a society governed by 'archaic' natural law and reason.
And the Holy Church will be with us long after you and i are gone... to wherever.
Right, Cliffy.. a social evolution back to the Stone Age.. where gratification and force rule. That is the alternative to a society governed by natural law and reason.
And the Holy Church will be with us long after you and i are gone... to wherever.
You cannot possibly be trying to suggest that the 'Holy Church' has anything to do with a society 'governed by natural law and reason', I hope.
Right, Cliffy.. a social evolution back to the Stone Age.. where gratification and force rule. That is the alternative to a society governed by 'archaic' natural law and reason.
And the Holy Church will be with us long after you and i are gone... to wherever.
Many reasons why it's with you and not with me.
Yes actually it is the bedrock of the best of our civilization. Our selective amnesia in thinking this brillliant new age of 'compassion', free from the moral codicils of the past will produce anything but chaos is a delusion.
The great irony about what is being imposed on us by the Courts and the gutlessness of our politicians in defense of 'invidividual liberty', has nothing to do with 'freedom',. It deals exclusively with conditions of BONDAGE.. to drugs, prostitution, carnalilty.
There is nothing here that smacks of freedom.. that is composed of responsibility, and something beyond one's own gratification. We have confused license with freedom.. and all that licentiousness will produce in the long run is unhappiness and disorder.
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I don't want some holier than thou asshole imposing their morality on me or anyone else. What consenting adults do with each other in their bedrooms is their business, not mine, yours or the government's.
If you are against prostitution than I suggest you don't become one or seek their services. But as soon as you try to tell others what they can and can't do, based on your version of morality, then you are sticking your nose where it doesn't belong.
You may be right that seeking short term gratification through drugs and prostitutes will lead to long term unhappiness. But its still none of your business. Everyone should be free to choose their path toward happiness.
If you are against prostitution than I suggest you don't become one or seek their services. But as soon as you try to tell others what they can and can't do, based on your version of morality, then you are sticking your nose where it doesn't belong.
You may be right that seeking short term gratification through drugs and prostitutes will lead to long term unhappiness. But its still none of your business. Everyone should be free to choose their path toward happiness.
Your own moral libertarian screed has its own Holier than thou 'asshole' quality to it, earth.
It's nothing new, its very conventional thinking these days, barricaded in an isolated fortress of radical individualism and self gratification, without any notion of the devastation that reaks to a community as a whole.
Despite being rude and stupid, earth.. you are locked in a solitude of ignorance and misery.
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Your own moral libertarian screed has its own Holier than thou 'asshole' quality to it, earth.
It's nothing new, its very conventional thinking these days, barricaded in an isolated fortress of radical individualism and self gratification, without any notion of the devastation that reaks to a community as a whole.
Despite being rude and stupid, earth.. you are locked in a solitude of ignorance and misery.
