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Because he thought Zelensky would deal, and Zelensky WAS going to deal and made the offers. I think that Zelensky thought Trump would at least work fairly for or with Ukraine. I don't think he realized just how much a Putin Puppet Trump is.

But then Trump and Vance screwed that up.

Both men have proven that they won't be fair to Ukraine, they don't give a damn about Ukraine and all that matters is Russia. And Zelensky is right that Europe cannot depend on the US anymore. Actually, no one can now.
Okay? Let's rephrase why didn't Trump ask Putin for the minerals that he controls in the occupied zone?
 

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Okay? Let's rephrase why didn't Trump ask Putin for the minerals that he controls in the occupied zone?
Gotcha! Im liking the so called Trump attacks on Zelensky that make the retard media chimps oo oo and ah ah. The chimps don't need to know what the real plan is so keep them hopping and dancing for a rotten banana.
 
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Boris Johnson to Europe: Trump’s just trying to shock you​

Former British prime minister says US president’s Ukraine comments are ‘not intended to be historically accurate’.

Fortune Global Forum 2024 – Day 1

Former PM Boris Johnson said European nations should see Donald Trump's claims as part of a negotiating gambit rather than a serious position. | Jemal Countess/Getty Images for Fortune Media

February 19, 2025 2:03 pm CET
By Noah Keate

LONDON — Boris Johnson urged European leaders not to take Donald Trump’s blaming of the Ukrainians for their country’s own invasion too literally.

Trump on Tuesday mocked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy as a poor negotiator and “grossly incompetent,” inaccurately questioned his poll ratings, and appeared to point the finger at Kyiv for Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022.
It followed the U.S. and Russia starting direct talks on ending the war — without Ukraine’s involvement.

Johnson, the former British prime minister who has been a staunch ally of Ukraine while also praising Trump, leapt to the U.S. president’s defense Wednesday. He challenged some of Trump’s latest claims — but said European nations should see them as part of a negotiating gambit rather than a serious position.

Writing on X, Johnson said: “When are we Europeans going to stop being scandalised about Donald Trump and start helping him to end this war?

“Of course Ukraine didn’t start the war. You might as well say that America attacked Japan at Pearl Harbor.

“Of course a country undergoing a violent invasion should not be staging elections. There was no general election in the UK from 1935 to 1945. Of course Zelenskyy’s ratings are not 4 percent. They are actually about the same as Trump’s.”

But the former PM added: “Trump’s statements are not intended to be historically accurate but to shock Europeans into action.”

Since leaving office in 2022, Johnson has lobbied top Republicans to stay the course in their support for Ukraine. He dined with Trump to discuss Ukraine and met the U.S. president at the Republican National Convention.

Last week he accused European leaders of “headless chicken-ism” in response to the Russia-U.S. talks and urged them to “man up and step up” in the latest stage of the conflict.
Johnson on Wednesday argued that Trump’s intervention should prompt pan-European action on using frozen Russian assets “to pay Ukraine and compensate the U.S. for its support.”

He asked: “Why is Europe preventing the unfreezing of Putin’s cash?”


When shit gets crazy, listen to the crazy guy, he always knows whats going on.
 
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Okay? Let's rephrase why didn't Trump ask Putin for the minerals that he controls in the occupied zone?

Because Trump just got in power.

But outside of that? Because in that 'relationship', Putin has the power, not Trump. Putin would laugh in Trump's face.

But over Zelensky, Trump thinks he has the power. His words yesterday prove it.
 

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Umm, what? When did Putin take all of Ukraine?

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Putin only took the eastern 1/5th of Ukraine, & Trump wants 1/2 of what Putin didn’t take of Ukraine’s rare earth metals. Justifying it by demonizing Zelensky in the media. Oh well…seems to be Trumps thing towards his potential allies (except Putin I guess).
 

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The dude on youtube hasn't explained that to her yet :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Oh I'm sorry, was I supposed to assume that you were right and Putin controlled all the REM's of Ukraine?

Point still stands - which is why you avoided comment on it - Trump think he has the power over Zelensky, which is why he thinks he could tell the man what to do. Hell, he and Putin are discussing "peace" without Ukraine even being at the table, that's how contemptuous they are of Ukraine.

And that goes back to your main question - "why did Trump ask Zelensky for rare earth minerals that are located in Russian occupied lands?"

And my answer: "Because he thought Zelensky would deal, and Zelensky WAS going to deal and made the offers." Still valid.

I'll even expand on that further for you - because Zelensky believed Trump would be 'fair' with Ukraine, he hoped that if he sweetened the deal by saying he'd offer up the REM's, it'd help turn Trump to their side and thus get the US to ask Putin to turn some land back to Ukraine, which would in turn turn the REM's over to the US.

Of course that didn't happen and now Zelensky knows the non-position that Ukraine has in Trump's mind. Right now Trump is the Neville Chamberlain of the US. All he needs is a piece of paper to wave and to say "Peace in our time".
 

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Oh I'm sorry, was I supposed to assume that you were right and Putin controlled all the REM's of Ukraine?

Point still stands - which is why you avoided comment on it - Trump think he has the power over Zelensky, which is why he thinks he could tell the man what to do. Hell, he and Putin are discussing "peace" without Ukraine even being at the table, that's how contemptuous they are of Ukraine.

And that goes back to your main question - "why did Trump ask Zelensky for rare earth minerals that are located in Russian occupied lands?"

And my answer: "Because he thought Zelensky would deal, and Zelensky WAS going to deal and made the offers." Still valid.

I'll even expand on that further for you - because Zelensky believed Trump would be 'fair' with Ukraine, he hoped that if he sweetened the deal by saying he'd offer up the REM's, it'd help turn Trump to their side and thus get the US to ask Putin to turn some land back to Ukraine, which would in turn turn the REM's over to the US.

Of course that didn't happen and now Zelensky knows the non-position that Ukraine has in Trump's mind. Right now Trump is the Neville Chamberlain of the US. All he needs is a piece of paper to wave and to say "Peace in our time".
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So. . . looks like Russia has less than half of the rare-earth reserves of Ukraine.

Spasebo, Jin.
No. Access and viability make or break any mineral deposit. They may appear on a map but but at what cost and how easy is extraction? Ive dedecated my life to geology and mining. You? What does your 30 years of industry experience say?

Lets review a few things....

This is from a "leftie" media.

Trump said he told Ukrainian officials he wants to exchange mineral rights for continued American aid.

"And they've essentially agreed to do that," he said. "So at least we don't feel stupid. Otherwise we're stupid. I said to them, we have to get something, we can't keep paying this money."

Ukraine and the U.S. are still working out the prospective deal. The Trump administration's special envoy is set to visit Ukraine next week.

President Trump sent his Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent to Kyiv earlier this week to discuss a mining deal with Zelenskyy and other members of the Ukrainian government. Bessent framed it as the U.S. and Ukraine deepening economic ties.

"This is an important signal — to the world, to the Russian leadership — that we stand together," Bessent told reporters.

Zelenskyy first brought up the idea to Trump last fall,
when Trump was a presidential candidate. Speaking at the Munich Security Conference in Germany on Friday, Zelenskyy said such a deal would give Ukraine security guarantees.

"We need to protect Ukraine and our resources," he said. "Why do we need to protect them? So that they do not fall into the hands of Russia and their allies."

Zelensky went to Trump last fall with the offer. Why didn’t Biden get this offer?

Sounds like a done deal to me..

Anyhoo enjoy your retard media that is fed rotten bananas.

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Trump said he told Ukrainian officials he wants to exchange mineral rights for continued American aid.
…& Zelensky proposed an exchange of mineral rights for…security guarantees from the US. How’s that working out? What Trump is saying Ukraine agreed to isn’t what Ukraine even promised let along agreed to…essentially or not. It seems Trump and reality aren’t even in the same zip code.
 

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…& Zelensky proposed an exchange of mineral rights for…security guarantees from the US. How’s that working out? What Trump is saying Ukraine agreed to isn’t what Ukraine even promised let along agreed to…essentially or not. It seems Trump and reality aren’t even in the same zip code.
Ill say it again.

Never show your hand.

Who blew gaskets when Ukraine recently sold off titanium deposits to Azerbijan? Nobody! Why not? The chimps in the retard media didnt get that bananagram?


Ukraine sold that for fucking pennies. Why? Lack of support from so called allies.

The Ukrainian budget received from the buyer, the company "Cemin Ukraine", a sum equivalent to 97 million dollars. Apart from it, no one else participated in the auction. The purchase was paid for by the Azerbaijani businessman Nasib Hasanov, who owns "Cemin Ukraine". He already has a solid property in Nezalezhnaya - he is also the owner of one of the leading mobile operators, the company "Vodafone Ukraine".

Why didnt Trump buy that for so cheap when he was still a private citizen if hes out to be king of Ukraine?
 
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Oh I'm sorry, was I supposed to assume that you were right and Putin controlled all the REM's of Ukraine?

Point still stands - which is why you avoided comment on it - Trump think he has the power over Zelensky, which is why he thinks he could tell the man what to do. Hell, he and Putin are discussing "peace" without Ukraine even being at the table, that's how contemptuous they are of Ukraine.

And that goes back to your main question - "why did Trump ask Zelensky for rare earth minerals that are located in Russian occupied lands?"

And my answer: "Because he thought Zelensky would deal, and Zelensky WAS going to deal and made the offers." Still valid.

I'll even expand on that further for you - because Zelensky believed Trump would be 'fair' with Ukraine, he hoped that if he sweetened the deal by saying he'd offer up the REM's, it'd help turn Trump to their side and thus get the US to ask Putin to turn some land back to Ukraine, which would in turn turn the REM's over to the US.

Of course that didn't happen and now Zelensky knows the non-position that Ukraine has in Trump's mind. Right now Trump is the Neville Chamberlain of the US. All he needs is a piece of paper to wave and to say "Peace in our time".
Trump does have the power , it is called dollars .