Omnibus Russia Ukraine crisis

[Ron in Regina]

Of course not. Silly Saskatchewanner.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy reiterated that Ukraine would not recognise any peace agreements made without its participation, as top Russian and US officials prepare to meet in Saudi Arabia for high-stakes talks on the war in Ukraine.

“Ukraine regards any negotiations on Ukraine without Ukraine as ones that have no result, and we cannot recognise any agreements about us without us,” Zelenskyy said on Monday. His comments came as Russian and American officials travelled to Riyadh ahead of Tuesday’s talks aimed at ending Moscow’s nearly three-year war in Ukraine, with Kyiv and Europe excluded from the negotiations.

Zelenskyy confirmed that Ukraine will not take part in the talks. “Ukraine did not know anything about it,” he said.

Glad Putin & Trump could agree on how to divide up Ukraine’s assets so amicably between them.

In comments cited by TASS on Monday morning, Lavrov (Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov) said that Russia had no intention of making territorial concessions to Ukraine during the peace talks.

In September 2022, Russia declared the annexation of Ukraine’s Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, including areas that remain outside its control. Lavrov added that Moscow would hear out “its US colleagues,” but that Europe “has no place at the negotiating table.”

Zelenskyy said in a video briefing from the United Arab Emirates on Monday, where he was on a state visit, that he would travel to Saudi Arabia on Wednesday, though he stressed his visit was not linked to the Russian-US peace talks.

“So, once again, my visits have nothing in common with those talks. Although when I arrive in Saudi Arabia I will ask his majesty what he knows about the topics of the talks,” Zelenskyy added.

Ukraine will not accept a Saudi-talks peace deal, says Zelenskyy — Guardian US

The EU and Ukraine have been excluded from high-stakes negotiations between top Russian and US officials

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(On Sunday, Trump stated that Zelenskyy would take part in the discussions but did not specify at what stage or whether Ukrainian officials would be present in Riyadh) So at this point it sounds like:

Putin gets to Keep all the land Russia occupies in Ukraine, America gets $500,000,000.00 in rare earth minerals from Ukraine, Ukraine gets to not join NATO, & maybe Ukraine gets to keep some or all of the $300 billion in seized Russian Oligarchs assets in European banks…as long as it’s used to purchase Americans military equipment.

This is not the outcome I would’ve predicted listening to the media for the last three years. I wonder how much of the meeting in Saudi Arabia will be Russia and America negotiating how they’re going to split the $300 Billion in Russian Oligarch assets in European banks between America and Russia, & maybe some for Ukraine if it behaves.

 

[petros]

Zelensky says he told Trump that Putin is afraid of him

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky spoke to CNN’s Christiane Amanpour about recent talks with US President Donald Trump regarding Russian President Vladi...

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[Taxslave2]

This is not the outcome I would’ve predicted listening to the media for the last three years. I wonder how much of the meeting in Saudi Arabia will be Russia and America negotiating how they’re going to split the $300 Billion in Russian Oligarch assets in European banks between America and Russia, & maybe some for Ukraine if it behaves.

This seems to be the most likely objective. The question is, what happens if the euro banks decide not to part with the funds?

 

[Ron in Regina]

This seems to be the most likely objective. The question is, what happens if the euro banks decide not to part with the funds?

But Trump & Putin are negotiating on that (excluding the EU & Ukraine), aren’t they? In Saudi Arabia? Starting tomorrow?

A bit for Russia, a bit for America, a bit for each, maybe some for Ukraine if it plays nice, etc…?

Careful Ukraine, or you’ll get cut out of the spoils of war…

 

[Serryah]

Revealed: Trump’s confidential plan to put Ukraine in a stranglehold

Panic in Kyiv as US president demands higher share of GDP than Germany’s First World War reparations

www.telegraph.co.uk

So Trump wants to make Ukraine Germany of WWI.

Cause the first time that happened went SO well.

JFC; and morons think he's some sort of genius.

 

[petros]

Revealed: Trump’s confidential plan to put Ukraine in a stranglehold

Panic in Kyiv as US president demands higher share of GDP than Germany’s First World War reparations

www.telegraph.co.uk

So Trump wants to make Ukraine Germany of WWI.

Cause the first time that happened went SO well.

JFC; and morons think he's some sort of genius.

Ever bought a car from a dealership? Was there free bottled water, coffee, popcorn, hot dogs and donuts to calm you down? Did you pay full price or did you haggle?

 

[pgs]

Ever bought a car from a dealership? Was there free bottled water, coffee, popcorn, hot dogs and donuts to calm you down? Did you pay full price or did you haggle?

Nope she rolled over and bought the protection plan .

 

[petros]

Nope she rolled over and bought the protection plan .

And the under coating and paint protection.

 

[pgs]

And the under coating and paint protection.

A salesmans dream customer .

 

[Jinentonix]

Ever bought a car from a dealership? Was there free bottled water, coffee, popcorn, hot dogs and donuts to calm you down? Did you pay full price or did you haggle?

Except the US isn't the aggrieved party here. I mean Jesus Christ, 80%-85% of the "funding" to Ukraine from the US stayed in the goddam US. Maybe the Trumpty Dumpster should have given Ukraine back its nukes after the first time he became President after Ruzzia pulled the loaded elections in Crimea and the 4 eastern oblasts. I know there was a two year difference between that and Trump becoming president but even a blind man's blind dog could'a seen what was coming for Ukraine that Mr. Art of the Deal completely missed. Or chose to ignore, who knows?

 

[petros]

Except the US isn't the aggrieved party here. I mean Jesus Christ, 80%-85% of the "funding" to Ukraine from the US stayed in the goddam US. Maybe the Trumpty Dumpster should have given Ukraine back its nukes after the first time he became President after Ruzzia pulled the loaded elections in Crimea and the 4 eastern oblasts. I know there was a two year difference between that and Trump becoming president but even a blind man's blind dog could'a seen what was coming for Ukraine that Mr. Art of the Deal completely missed. Or chose to ignore, who knows?

Youre missing the point but I get it.

Nukes are useless in this case.

Where was the money for arms supposed to go? Botswana?

Believe it or not there are laws and procedures (Israel being the exception). Unfortunately Putin walked the line right up until Feb 24 2022.

What you're looking for isnt legal (Israel being the exception). Harper, Obama, Trudeau, Trump and 20 odd UK PMs did what they legally could without becoming belligerents.

Had we not been there all along Ukraine would have lost the Battle of Kyiv.

Trump can only be a mediator without declaring war or Article 5.

This isnt our war....yet.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Except the US isn't the aggrieved party here. I mean Jesus Christ, 80%-85% of the "funding" to Ukraine from the US stayed in the goddam US. Maybe the Trumpty Dumpster should have given Ukraine back its nukes after the first time he became President after Ruzzia pulled the loaded elections in Crimea and the 4 eastern oblasts. I know there was a two year difference between that and Trump becoming president but even a blind man's blind dog could'a seen what was coming for Ukraine that Mr. Art of the Deal completely missed. Or chose to ignore, who knows?

I don't see the problem of the money staying in the US for arms purchasing the problem I have is charging Ukraine full prices for equipment that was retired, obsolete and sitting in storage in the US armed services

 

[pgs]

I don't see the problem of the money staying in the US for arms purchasing the problem I have is charging Ukraine full prices for equipment that was retired, obsolete and sitting in storage in the US armed services

Buyer beware .

 

[Ron in Regina]

At the Munich conference and during her video news conference Tuesday, Ms. Joly pushed back against Russia joining the Group of Seven industrialized nations.

Canada chairs the G7 in 2025 and will play host to the leaders in Kananaskis, Alta., from June 15 to 17. Ms. Joly will also will host her counterparts in Charlevoix, Que., on March 12-14.

Russia used to be part of what was known as the Group of Eight, until it was kicked out in 2014 over its military takeover of Crimea.

“When it comes to the proposal of having Russia part of the G7, I said no way,” Ms. Joly said.

Joly says she rebuked U.S. senators who joked about Canada becoming the 51st state — The Globe and Mail

The Foreign Minister, who did not name the senators, says Canada will never be a U.S. state or colony

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So, does that mean we’re gonna be seeing Vladimir Putin in Kananaskis as a member of the G8 in 2025 then?

Trump spoke for the first time since a U.S. delegation established a working dialogue with Russia about Ukraine during talks in Riyadh earlier in the day.

He brushed aside Ukraine's concern about being left out of the meeting, saying Kyiv could have made a deal with Russia three years ago to avert the invasion by Moscow.

"Today I heard, 'oh, we weren't invited.' Well you've been there for three years, you should have ended it...you should have never started it. You could have made a deal," said Trump.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War

Anyone here remember Ukraine starting this? Maybe in retaliation to the Ottawa parking shenanigans or something?

Trump says he may meet Putin this month, dismisses Ukraine concerns — Reuters

U.S. President Donald Trump said on Tuesday he might meet Russian President Vladimir Putin this month and dismissed Ukraine's concern about being left out of U.S.-Russian talks in Saudi Arabia on ending the Ukraine war.

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U.S. President Donald Trump said on Tuesday he might meet Russian President Vladimir Putin this month and dismissed Ukraine's concern about being left out of U.S.-Russian talks in Saudi Arabia on ending the Ukraine war.

"Probably," Trump said as he ended a press conference at his Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach when asked if he still expected to meet with Putin before the end of the month.

When is that G8 meeting in Kananaskis again? Wow…lotsa Ukrainians out on the prairies. Just between BC and Alberta, there’s over a half a million Canadians of Ukrainian heritage…& that’s not counting SK & MB, etc…

Ukrainian Canadians - Wikipedia

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Sean Savett, who was spokesperson for the White House National Security Council under former President Joe Biden, said in a social media post that Russia started the war.

"Sounds like Trump bought Putin’s propaganda hook, line, and sinker," he said. "A reminder no one should need: Putin started the war by invading Ukraine unprovoked and his forces have committed war crimes against the Ukrainian people. Russia is the party responsible for this war continuing."

Trump said he would not oppose Europeans if they want to send peacekeeping troops to Ukraine.

European leaders have discussed sending peacekeepers to provide security guarantees in the event of a peace deal.

"Having troops over there would be fine, I wouldn’t object to that at all," Trump said. What? Seriously?

 

[Jinentonix]

Youre missing the point but I get it.

Didn't miss the point at all.

Nukes are useless in this case.

I never said for immediate use. But when is the last time a country with nuclear weapons was invaded?

Where was the money for arms supposed to go? Botswana?

Now you're missing the point. According to the US Dept of State since 2014 the US has provided around $135 billion in military aid as of Jan 20 2025. 80%-85% of that remained in the US supporting American industries that produce weapons, munitions and other military equipment.

Believe it or not there are laws and procedures (Israel being the exception). Unfortunately Putin walked the line right up until Feb 24 2022.

Fuck the UN and their "procedures". A more useless organization there isn't.

What you're looking for isnt legal (Israel being the exception). Harper, Obama, Trudeau, Trump and 20 odd UK PMs did what they legally could without becoming belligerents.

I repeat, fuck the UN.

Had we not been there all along Ukraine would have lost the Battle of Kyiv.

Nobody is arguing that.

Trump can only be a mediator without declaring war or Article 5.

Was Zelensky at the Saudi Arabia meeting with the Trumpty Dumpster and Bedpan?

This isnt our war....yet.

Famous last words.

 

[petros]

Didn't miss the point at all.

I never said for immediate use. But when is the last time a country with nuclear weapons was invaded?

Now you're missing the point. According to the US Dept of State since 2014 the US has provided around $135 billion in military aid as of Jan 20 2025. 80%-85% of that remained in the US supporting American industries that produce weapons, munitions and other military equipment.

Fuck the UN and their "procedures". A more useless organization there isn't.

I repeat, fuck the UN.

Nobody is arguing that.

Was Zelensky at the Saudi Arabia meeting with the Trumpty Dumpster and Bedpan?

Famous last words.

Last time a nuclear nation was invaded? Oct 7 2023.

Was Ukraine supposed to take the money for arms and buy T72s, S300s, Su27s from Russia?

Its not the UNs rules. Thats why its a "Special Military Operation" and why sheepdipping foreigners are in the ranks of the UA forces and not truly allied.

Do you really believe Trump is negotiating Ukraine's post war fate or is it Russia's fate and the fate of the entire Russian Federation whose pants are around their ankles and vulnerable to a buttfucking from China or even India. Then there is the issue of the Iranian bullshit faggot fuckfest.

Its aboot to be our war.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

KYIV — Ukrainians from across the political spectrum rallied behind President Volodymyr Zelensky on Wednesday, decrying President Donald Trump’s claims that he was failing, unpopular, illegitimate and to blame for the 2022 invasion of the country that has killed and wounded hundreds of thousands of people and displaced millions.

Zelensky shot back at Trump’s claims that his ratings stood at 4 percent, calling it disinformation that “is coming from Russia.”

“If anyone wants to replace me right now, then it just isn’t going to happen,” he said at a news conference Wednesday. “I wish Trump’s team had more truth. Because none of this is having a positive effect on Ukraine.”

The attack by Trump and the rare show of political unity it elicited from some of Zelensky’s fiercest domestic critics came as Keith Kellogg, Trump’s new envoy for Ukraine and Russia, arrived in Kyiv. Just the day before, fellow Trump officials broke a long policy of nonengagement with Russia, meeting for talks in Saudi Arabia without Ukraine.

“Today I heard, ‘Oh, we weren’t invited,’” Trump said late Tuesday, referring to Ukraine’s complaints about being excluded from the meetings and fears that Washington and Moscow will reach a settlement to impose on Ukraine.

“Well, you’ve been there for three years, you should have ended it,” Trump said. “You should have never started it. You could have made a deal.” Ukraine did not start the war, which began with Russia’s full-scale invasion in February 2022.

He also suggested Ukraine must hold elections after falsely claiming that Zelensky’s approval ratings sit at 4 percent.

A survey published on Wednesday by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology, or KIIS, a prominent Ukrainian polling organization, said some 57 percent of Ukrainians trust Zelensky, an increase of 5 points from a survey in December.
Trump’s comments “exactly echoed what Putin wanted,” Lithuania’s former foreign minister, Gabrielius Landsbergis, said and were a further warning to Europe that the alliances that governed the West for decades could unravel in Russian President Vladimir Putin’s favor.

“It sounds like there was a handout prepared by Lavrov given to Rubio, and now they’re just reading it,” he said, referring to the Russian foreign minister and U.S. secretary of state, who met Tuesday.
The comments unleashed a firestorm of support for Zelensky in Ukraine, where the call for elections in particular was seen as a means to sow chaos and divide the country.

“We may like Zelensky, or we may not. We may scold him, or we may praise him. We may condemn his actions, or we may applaud them. Because he is OUR president, as he is,” Borys Filatov, mayor of the central-eastern city of Dnipro, who has regularly criticized Zelensky, wrote on Facebook. “It makes no difference whether he is bad or not. And no lying creature, neither in Moscow, nor in Washington, nor anywhere, has the right to open his mouth against him.”

The support will likely be seen as a welcome buoy for Zelensky in Kyiv at a moment of great political uncertainty, especially as he faced fierce criticism just days ago for slapping sanctions on former president Petro Poroshenko, seen as one of his political rivals.
Lawmaker Yaroslav Zhelezniak, from the opposition Holos party, wrote on Telegram that Ukrainians’ opinions of Zelensky may differ, “but the only people who have the right to assess his support are the citizens of Ukraine.”
When a foreigner insults Zelensky, he wrote, “they are not just attacking a specific surname — they are insulting the president of Ukraine. Just a thought for tomorrow’s social media debates in light of Trump’s statement about the necessity of presidential elections … exactly as the Kremlin wants.”

Prominent blogger Anton Hodza wrote on Facebook that this is the time to unite behind the elected president, whom Trump and Putin are trying to undermine because he won’t surrender the country.

“For Putin, the election outcome itself is less important than the chaos it will create in a country at war. And he will undoubtedly exploit that chaos,” he said.

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I'm sure Trump was just funnin'. Winding up the librul grommers. He's a card, that one.

 

[petros]

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I'm sure Trump was just funnin'. Winding up the librul grommers. He's a card, that one.

Yup

 

[Serryah]

Out of all the above, the most important question to ask is, I think, one that James asked in his video.

"Is it already too late? Has Putin actually won?"

 

[Twin_Moose]

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Out of all the above, the most important question to ask is, I think, one that James asked in his video.

"Is it already too late? Has Putin actually won?"

If you think that Trump sold out I'll ask this question to you, why did Trump ask Zelensky for rare earth minerals that are located in Russian occupied lands?