I have always been a pacifist, so I guess we agree on something, eh!;-)
War! What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing!
I'm trying to figure out my pigeon hole. i deplore the idea of war but i also know that just because you ask someone to play nice, doesn't mean they will. In order to 'make peace', Chamberlain told Hitler that he could take what he wanted and then declared that he had made peace. Did he? So many people give the reason for the conflict in Afghanistan as being the desire of the USA to dominate the world and force the Afghani people to become Westerners - oh - don't forget that 'pipeline' thingie. But I don't hear any moral outrage about the Russians coming in and trying to impose their way of life on the citizens of Afghanistan - which lead, of course to the influx of the Mujahadin and Talibhan fighters ( from what I''ve read most Afghanis looked on them as liberators from the Russians rather than lifestyle models).
Look - before the Talibhan, girls went to school. After the Talibhan, girls got a facial acid bath if they went to school. Before the Talibhan women could work outside the home. After the Talibhan, widows were beaten for begging to support their children.
Sorry. i'm at an age where i have an understanding on just what I - my country - can influence.
I don't nkow about any new wolrd American order - or Islamic one for that matter. all I DO know is that we make people feel safer over there - yes, it's not perfect, but for the most part, where we are, fathers actually bring theitr children for vaccinations, and we work with communities to improve their living conditions
(we don't build the roads that make it harder for IEDs to be used - we engineer them and hire local workers to build roads that benefit their communities - try to tell me that's not a good thing). you bet. War sucks. but tell me, no one - no one - on these forums have EVER tiold me how they would have dealt with - oh let's say - Hitler. I'm always reading these comments about how waR IS HORRIBLE (WHICH IT IS), but NO ONE as of yet has told me how they would have dealt with a Hitler or a Bin Laden. If someone out there has something constructive regarding my query, trust me I'm all ears.
By the way, in case anyone wants to drag out the old 'we're trying to change their culture' chestnut? sorry, but the first school for Afghani women opened around 1927. Obviously womens rights have been in the Afghan agenda for a while and even if it hadn't - many women in Afghanistan have fought for years the subjugation of women - isn't this something we should be championing? Ask yourself, if slavery was a 'cultural' part of a country, would you go along with it or if there were people in that country who wanted to change it, would you go help or would you stand aside because you would be afraid of trying to 'change someone's culture'?