Oil Sand Myths
- Thread starter Redmonton_Rebel
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So? I'm here to discuss reality, you're here to try and shut me down, the ignore button is a really good idea when it comes to dealing with abusive little trolls like you.
Counter the FACTS I'm presenting or butt out.
For instance counter the fact that introducing gigatonnes of CO2 over the coming decades into the Earth's atmosphere while almost all climatologists are telling us the concentration now is already reaching critical levels and therefore tar sands and other carbon intensive fossil fuel source need to be phased out...beginning immediately.
Or...tar sands synthetic crude production produces huge amounts of toxic waste causing long term health and ecological risks that aren't even being closely examined let alone effectly dealt with.
And also...the seriously damaging political and economic effects of putting almost all our eggs in one basket when doing so is almost gauranteed to create long term negative effects both at home and with our international standing.
Whether you're ego tripping or just one more jerk Conservative who doesn't give a crap about anyone else doesn't matter to me, discussing the reality of Canada's energy and economic policies under the Conservative government does.
No my and all Canadians time would be better spent dealing with reality instead of this bizarre facsimile we're forced to accept under the current government and it's supporters.
You can't even have an adult discussion about one of the most important topic facing us both on forums like this or more official ones. This is ridiculous when you consider the stakes involved.
What is the 'one basket' that we are putting 'almost all of our eggs' in?
You bet- THAT is the most sensible statement you've ever made .....................Kudos! :lol:
The one we're debating here.
Recoverable tar sands "oil" reserves are conservatively estimated at about 200 BILLION barrels, production is already at 1.3 million barrels of synthetic crude a day and is slated to increase to about 5 million a day by 2030.
Industry estimates for recoverable oil reserves are closer to 300 billion barrels and overall there is probably over 1.5 TRILLION barrels of oil equavalent in the tar sands. Development isn't being restricted, it's being pushed as fast as possible, when exactly do we take a sober look at massive development of one of the most controversial projects on the planet.
Do we wait until investment and development has reached an even more massive level, when we have international investments and agreements that will make independent action nearly impossible, we're already approaching that point if we haven't passed it already with the US. what does that mean to Canadian sovereignty?
There are so many questions around this that need to be addressed but as you can see here if someone even tries to raise very valid issues they face a constant barrage of abuse and nonsense intended to shut down real discussion, just in the same way our government operates on this issue at a national and international level.
You'd need to be asleep to not notice the dangers we face here.
According to the system you are when I tried to place you on my ignore list.
Must be a nice little function to have when you want to drop in and make irrelevant posts on a subject as important as this.
This it the message I get when I try to ignore you:
No wonder you're so self-satisfied here.
lol, must be a glitch holdover. Wow, ONE post that I tell you you're acting childish, as opposed to the post your ignored ABOUT the subject at the start of the thread, and you're popping me on ignore. You're a unique one. Want to talk, and be heard, but not argued with hey? Might want to reconsider being on a discussion forum my friend.
Who cares, do any of you have anything relevant to post here, or is it all a not very subtle variation on, "shut up, we don't want to deal with reality on this issue."
You'd get further ahead if you'd be more clear.
Are you claiming that the tar sands is where we're putting all of our eggs?
Or the oil industry in general?
Or a resource based economy in general?
What is the one basket to which you refer. You shouldn't need more than a sentence to answer the question. Please stick to the facts.
I just want to talk about this issue here, not endlessly deal with posters who couldn't care less trying to constantly divert or preferably end it...you're just part of phase six or seven(I've lost count) of that.
Do you care, if so post why, this really is an important issue despite the constant effort by some to trivialize it.
I weighed in at the very outset of the thread and gave my view on the fear tactics with which you framed the issue. You chose to ignore it. Why would I continue trying to give you my view?
Yes, tar/oil sands is going to be the main economic driver of Canada as other sectors decline or are intentionally marginalized. Conventional oil worldwide is in decline and new sources harder to find and much more costly and difficult to extract. Deep ocean drilling is in this catagory.
The basket is the economic future the current government is trying to tell us exists with massive oil sands development. Climate change is a reality, it's going to get worse as we're progressively increasing the overall concentration of greenhouse gases like CO2, at some point significant action is going to be taken, where will that leave Canada that has placed so much investment and burned so many international bridges in driving forward such an ecologically damaging project...and it is from multiple aspects including carbon dioxide emissions, toxic waste and water use.
From my viewpoint you joined in with a bunch of jokers who think it's fun/important to trivialize what many of us think with good reason is one of the most serious issues of our time.
I can't stop them from posting, my intent is to not allow them to stop me from posting, I can't stop their efforts to water down what I'm saying.
Join in on that if you wish, it's not something I'd ever be proud of.
I simply pointed out to you how YOU were watering down what you're saying. Posting and ignoring people is normal. Everyone does it in one way shape or form. But forum ettiquette is to just DO it, not to brag about, especially to say you're doing it then post to them anyway.
If you think you have a good message, keep talking, by all means. And ignore away... but actually do it, instead of trying to whip up drama with it.
If you think you have a good message, keep talking, by all means. And ignore away... but actually do it, instead of trying to whip up drama with it.
Can you stick to the facts?
So, your claim is that the tar/oil sands is the economic driver of Canada, is that what you're saying?
Please answer in a short sentence, not a rambling diatribe.
Not a matter of dealing with reality. It's a matter of YOUR version of reality doesn't match ours.
no, he can't.