Occupy Wall Street Fail

EagleSmack

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I wouldn't say the Occupy movement has failed...But I would say the reason they don't seem to be making progress is mainly because they haven't been able to hit the Greedy Rich where they're sensitve...Their Crown Jewels/$$$ Banks.....It's often said economics is an emotionless game...I beg to differ...It is anything but...More emotionally charged when the Filthy Greedy Rich loose all their riches and golden britches too...

Well.. that's one of the reasons why they failed. They were unable to change a thing and did nothing but cost tens of millions in police overtime and damage to public property that everyone had to pay for. Not to mention you do not hear too much from them these days.
 

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Well.. that's one of the reasons why they failed. They were unable to change a thing and did nothing but cost tens of millions in police overtime and damage to public property that everyone had to pay for. Not to mention you do not hear too much from them these days.

Depends on whom you ask. "Income Inequality" for example was far more prevalent on the news than before the occupy movement, check out google trends. The occupy movement managed to change a great deal of the content of news coverage.

Here's one opinion for example:
Bank Fee Debacle is the First Occupy Wall Street Victory - TheStreet
NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- For a movement without an agenda, Occupy Wall Street is off to a pretty good start--scaring JPMorgan Chase(JPM_), Wells Fargo(WFC_) and SunTrust Banks(STI_) away from their plans to charge customers who use their debit cards to make purchases.

None of these banks cited Occupy WallStreet in explaining their reversal, and because Occupy Wall Street does not speak with one voice, it cannot be said to have demanded these banks reverse course on their planned fees.

Still, it does not take a genius to figure out that charging fees to consumers for their use of debit cards is exactly the kind of thing nearly all participants in Occupy Wall Street would be likely to oppose. What the movement is doing, as many commentators have pointed out recently, is changing the national conversation, much as the Tea Party did before dealing Democrats a resounding defeat in the Congressional mid-term elections.
 

taxslave

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Depends on whom you ask. "Income Inequality" for example was far more prevalent on the news than before the occupy movement, check out google trends. The occupy movement managed to change a great deal of the content of news coverage.

Here's one opinion for example:
Bank Fee Debacle is the First Occupy Wall Street Victory - TheStreet
NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- For a movement without an agenda, Occupy Wall Street is off to a pretty good start--scaring JPMorgan Chase(JPM_), Wells Fargo(WFC_) and SunTrust Banks(STI_) away from their plans to charge customers who use their debit cards to make purchases.

None of these banks cited Occupy WallStreet in explaining their reversal, and because Occupy Wall Street does not speak with one voice, it cannot be said to have demanded these banks reverse course on their planned fees.

Still, it does not take a genius to figure out that charging fees to consumers for their use of debit cards is exactly the kind of thing nearly all participants in Occupy Wall Street would be likely to oppose. What the movement is doing, as many commentators have pointed out recently, is changing the national conversation, much as the Tea Party did before dealing Democrats a resounding defeat in the Congressional mid-term elections.

When we talk about income inequality we mostly refer to the difference to what those in industry make as opposed to what government employees make for essentualy the same job. Now I don't know about your ferries on the East coast but B.C. Ferries pays the cafeteria staff close to $20/hr plus solid gold bennies for what amounts to Rotten Ronnies quality food and service.
Oddly enough this trend reverses itself for trades, other than the bennies. When I worked for DND as a mechanic I got about $5/hr less than in industry.
 

EagleSmack

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Still, it does not take a genius to figure out that charging fees to consumers for their use of debit cards is exactly the kind of thing nearly all participants in Occupy Wall Street would be likely to oppose. What the movement is doing, as many commentators have pointed out recently, is changing the national conversation, much as the Tea Party did before dealing Democrats a resounding defeat in the Congressional mid-term elections.

EVERYONE opposed that. Not just the Occupiers. I can't for the life of me understand why people use the big banks. I have always used the local bank. But I am not blind to the fact that big banks have more money to lend and can take risks that a local bank couldn't. I doubt I could get a million dollar loan at my bank but Bank of America would surely take a look at what I am proposing.
 

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When we talk about income inequality we mostly refer to the difference to what those in industry make as opposed to what government employees make for essentualy the same job. Now I don't know about your ferries on the East coast but B.C. Ferries pays the cafeteria staff close to $20/hr plus solid gold bennies for what amounts to Rotten Ronnies quality food and service.
Oddly enough this trend reverses itself for trades, other than the bennies. When I worked for DND as a mechanic I got about $5/hr less than in industry.

But you forget, Taxslave, our esteemed dishwashers on B.C. Ferries are being paid for the efforts they've taken to be trained for life saving duties in the event of a marine disaster (possibly happened half a dozen times in the past 50 years) They have to be prepared on a moment's notice to help people into life boats. :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

Cannuck

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But you forget, Taxslave, our esteemed dishwashers on B.C. Ferries are being paid for the efforts they've taken to be trained for life saving duties in the event of a marine disaster (possibly happened half a dozen times in the past 50 years) They have to be prepared on a moment's notice to help people into life boats. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

That's very important because the whining would never end if something happened and the staff were not trained to deal with it.
 

JLM

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That's very important because the whining would never end if something happened and the staff were not trained to deal with it.

I agree, it's very important, but they should be paid "life saving" wages while they are saving lives and dishwashing wages while they are washing dishes! :smile:
 

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Depends on whom you ask. "Income Inequality" for example was far more prevalent on the news than before the occupy movement, check out google trends. The occupy movement managed to change a great deal of the content of news coverage.


The big problem with this is: What does 'income equality' really mean? Without having a tangible commentary to describe 'income equality', the entire discussion falls flat.

This is one the many failures of the occupy movement, they could not articulate a meaningful issue(s) and all their beefs simply fell into the category of "I want what you have but am unwilling to work for it"
 

Cannuck

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I agree, it's very important, but they should be paid "life saving" wages while they are saving lives and dishwashing wages while they are washing dishes! :smile:

The issue is the cost of training. High staff turnover cost exponentially more due to the training requirement needed because of the expectations of the public.
 

petros

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Twist, weave, dodge and bob. :lol:
You'd be willing to sign a liability waiver before sailing BC Ferries?

From a Costa Concordia survivor.....

Thank-you to the wonderful Costa Cabin stewards, waiters, kitchen staff and
engineers who got us off that boat whilst being given no instructions or help
from the officers who should have been giving it, the Australian Embassy who
were wonderful, the emergency travel insurance people who got us home, the
nationazale carabaneri who gave us clothes, medication and kindness, Emirates
who put is on business class lounges and steered us through the airports fast
check-in areas.
 

Cannuck

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Twist, weave, dodge and bob. :lol:

You asked for a supporting link and that is what you got. If you have something specific that you disagreed with then perhaps you could just spit it out.

News flash!! Twisting weaving, dodging, and bobbing are not the same thing as giving you answers you don't like to hear.
 

JLM

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You asked for a supporting link and that is what you got. If you have something specific that you disagreed with then perhaps you could just spit it out.

News flash!! Twisting weaving, dodging, and bobbing are not the same thing as giving you answers you don't like to hear.

You really are dumber than even I imagined. I asked for a link supporting you economic points and you send the definition of common sense. ( even that you had to get from the encyclopedia) "Better to remain silent and appear a fool..................................":lol:
 

Cannuck

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I asked for a link supporting you economic points ...

Economic points? Like what? Training costs money? Do you really need links to explain such a simple concept? I'm sorry. If the common sense link didn't help you, I seriously doubt another link would be of much help.
 

B00Mer

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MHz

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Not that I want to get tazared but if you wore a shirt with fine metallic wires in it and a tazar punctured it would the current go through the wires or the human body?
(to go with the foil hat, lol)