Occupy Wall Street Fail

[Icarus27k]

Oh, and in case you're the victim of a rape or whatnot, here are the rules...


Sexual Assault: "nobody should contact the police"




Sexual Assault: "nobody should contact the police" - YouTube

"Our policy is we do whatever the survivor wants." If they want to contact the police, we contact the police. If they don't want to contact the police nobody should contact the police.

Sounds much more reasonable than what you're leading others to believe.

 

[CDNBear]

Of course no one who would espouse to be on the left spectrum of politics can ever be trusted to tell the truth. It is just unthinkable.

...

The capitalist pigs

Telling the truth, needs some form of objectivity. Extremisms such as capitalist pigs. Isn't really all that objective.

And although I think Icky leans a little to close to an extreme, I'm not above taking his word.

Sounds much more reasonable than what you're leading others to believe.

I imagine it would be reasonable to avoid creating anymore negative statistics. By avoiding any form of public record of criminality involved in these occupy movement encampments.

Not to mention the obstruction of justice it implies.

 

[Icarus27k]

I imagine it would be reasonable to avoid creating anymore negative statistics. By avoiding any form of public record of criminality involved in these occupy movement encampments.

Not to mention the obstruction of justice it implies.

The girl in the video pretty much said do whatever the victim wants. It sounds similar to what police would say in terms of whether a person wants press charges or not.

I admit there is a belief among the Occupiers that people are trumping up accusations against them and they need to be aware of that. But frankly, people are trumping up charges against them. One city tried to use a protester's suicide as an excuse to arrest protesters.

 

[CDNBear]

The girl in the video pretty much said do whatever the victim wants. It sounds similar to what police would say in terms of whether a person wants press charges or not.

Ummm, just the fact that when the term "sexual assault" is used to describe an act, would negate the necessity for the victim to press charges.

Police are mandated to act upon the inference or suspicion of a criminal offence.

I admit there is a belief among the Occupiers that people are trumping up accusations against them and they need to be aware of that. But frankly, people are trumping up charges against them. One city tried to use a protester's suicide as an excuse to arrest protesters.

I have no doubt about that.

But I hardly doubt it's about the message, as apposed to the seedy side of the encampments themselves. That the authorities are trying to eradicate, in part or in whole.

Perhaps if organizers like the young lady in the video, suggested cooperating with the police, and aided in the ousting of criminals, criminality or otherwise abhorrent people. Their message wouldn't be getting lost in the shuffle.

 

[petros]

Perhaps if organizers like the young lady in the video, suggested cooperating with the police, and aided in the ousting of criminals, criminality or otherwise abhorrent people. Their message wouldn't be getting lost in the shuffle.

Perhaps if there were no homelessness for the mentally ill they wouldn't wander into "Occupy" camps to eat and sleep in safety?

 

[Icarus27k]

Ummm, just the fact that when the term "sexual assault" is used to describe an act, would negate the necessity for the victim to press charges.

Police are mandated to act upon the inference or suspicion of a criminal offence.

Right, but victims of rape actually have to report it before police can be mandated. That's more of a matter of what practically happens in instances of rape. Simply saying, "If you're a victim of rape, do what you feel you need to do" like how the girl in the video did isn't bad.

I have no doubt about that.

But I hardly doubt it's about the message, as apposed to the seedy side of the encampments themselves. That the authorities are trying to eradicate, in part or in whole.

Perhaps if organizers like the young lady in the video, suggested cooperating with the police, and aided in the ousting of criminals, criminality or otherwise abhorrent people. Their message wouldn't be getting lost in the shuffle.

In some cases, the Occupy protesters do cooperate with police. Although, of course, there are the obvious examples of tension. Even if the local officials are trying to weed out seedy elements of the encampments, they actually need evidence that there is seedy elements. A guy committing suicide is not an example of something seedy going on.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Good news on the Regina front of this....whatever it is. Things where quiet
and people respectful for the Nov.11th ceremonies for Remembrance Day.

The city has had enough though, and has requested that they (the squatters)
are out by tomorrow morning. It's winter now and whatever point these folks
where try'n to make has had time to be made. The power (that these people
have been tapping into for the space heaters & such) is being turned off, and
the portapotties have been removed. Propane space heaters in tents aren't
a great option for safety's sake, and it's time for these folks to protest on their
day's off in a job market where there's way more job openings that protesters.

Occupy Regina campers told to leave park - Saskatchewan - CBC News

8AM was about 25 minutes ago here in Regina:
City hopes Occupy Regina vacates by 8 a.m. | News Talk 980 CJME

 

[Icarus27k]

8AM was about 25 minutes ago here in Regina:
City hopes Occupy Regina vacates by 8 a.m. | News Talk 980 CJME

Being an American, I only know about U.S. rights. But I suspect things are done similarly in Canada. In the U,S., the First Amendment guarantees protesters' rights to protest on public land, but there are minor limitations such as regulations of times of day. These limitations are completely the prerogative of local governments.

Being completely their prerogative, the local government could simply say "Protest for as long as you like", which would be the proper response. And some locales have done that.



Important footnote: This only applies the public land. The most prominent Occupy protest, in NYC, is on private land, and the people that own it have pretty much said the protesters can stay, much to Mayor Michael Bloomberg's frustration.

 

[JLM]

I personally think, everything else aside that safety supercedes freedom of speech! :smile:

 

[petros]

They are safe. People have lived in tents on the Prairie for thousands of years.

 

[Icarus27k]

I personally think, everything else aside that safety supercedes freedom of speech! :smile:

It does in cases where people can make the claim that safety is in danger. However, surprisingly few are making that case. The cases of encampments being raided are mostly being done on the claims that the local governments want to enforce their limitations on public protesting, not on safety concerns.

 

[CDNBear]

Perhaps if there were no homelessness for the mentally ill they wouldn't wander into "Occupy" camps to eat and sleep in safety?

It's not all homeless people petros, but I see what you're getting at.

Right, but victims of rape actually have to report it before police can be mandated.

They don't need a report, they need suspicion.

They can't force a victim to recount, press charges or testify.

That's more of a matter of what practically happens in instances of rape. Simply saying, "If you're a victim of rape, do what you feel you need to do" like how the girl in the video did isn't bad.

I disagree. Subverting justice to manipulate appearance, is ignorant, and tantamount to obstruction of justice.

Although, of course, there are the obvious examples of tension.

An abhorrent symptom of the mentality of the subculture that permeates such events.

Even if the local officials are trying to weed out seedy elements of the encampments, they actually need evidence that there is seedy elements.

Agreed. Which is why actively trying to conceal criminal acts, under the guise of 'doing what the victim wants', should not be happening.

A guy committing suicide is not an example of something seedy going on.

I agree. But that's hardly the quintessential example of criminal behavior that is taking place.

 

[petros]

It's not all homeless people petros, but I see what you're getting at.

No not all but the homeless are in the camps in large numbers and their shenanigans make for great news copy.

When the news says a nutjob was arrested in an occupy camp there is no distiction made whether they were protesters or homeless.

They (homeless) don't get hassled by cops at the Occupy Camps for sleeping on the street.

 

[DaSleeper]

Of course no one who would espouse to be on the left spectrum of politics can ever be trusted to tell the truth. It is just unthinkable.
.

I see that you still have selective reading ability...
I even put in bold the statements whe he contradits himself and you still can't see it...that's what is wrong with some on the extreme left of the political spectrum:roll:

 

[Ron in Regina]

They are safe. People have lived in tents on the Prairie for thousands of years.

...but not using propane space heaters :smile:. Look at the tents. They aren't buffalo hide.
Synthetic materials ignite in a heartbeat (I work in a shop where I have to wear cotton
or wool or leather for this reason)...so no fires in these tents. No police down there yet
according to the radio.

I too have slept in a bunkhouse in these temperatures (ran out'a propane due to a cracked
line) with no ill effects, with just a blanket in my sleeping bag. It's a long way 'till spring.

 

[Icarus27k]

Of course, the police only need suspicion to arrest or investigate a crime, but I'm saying, practically speaking, in most instances of rape police don't get mere suspicion. Rather, the victim actually reports the rape. And that's why the girl/young woman in the YouTube video isn't subverting justice. She's just saying to victims "do what you need to do".

 

[petros]

My Mr Heater has a tip over cut off for tenting and I use a 30,000BTU Sure Flame for work camp in hoardings. Never had an issue.

 

[Ron in Regina]

My Mr Heater has a tip over cut off for tenting and I use a 30,000BTU Sure Flame for work camp in hoardings. Never had an issue.

Sounds like something a homeless person wouldn't have. Those that
aren't homeless can use their homes from 11pm to 7am.

 

[CDNBear]

Of course, the police only need suspicion to arrest or investigate a crime, but I'm saying, practically speaking, in most instances of rape police don't get mere suspicion. Rather, the victim actually reports the rape. And that's why the girl/young woman in the YouTube video isn't subverting justice. She's just saying to victims "do what you need to do".

She states straight out do not release any information, unless the 'survivor' has indicated they want the police involved.

Sorry bud, if I know or suspect a criminal offence has taken place, I'm contacting the police.

Victims of sexual assault, are not known for thinking clearly in the aftermath.

My Mr Heater has a tip over cut off and I use a 30,000BTU Sure Flame for work camp. Never had an issue.

I love my Mr.Heater, keeps the ice hut toasty warm. And helps SCB shed several layers of clothing in the process.

 

[JLM]

They are safe. People have lived in tents on the Prairie for thousands of years.

True, but I doubt if propane and dope were part of the mix! :lol: