Of course they're wrong. As new information comes in, the theories will be modified to account for it.
Unlike the "infallible word of Allah" written by a seventh-century barbarian who had not the foggiest notion what a star or a bacterium are.
Objection to some astronomers.
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Unlike the "infallible word of Allah" written by a seventh-century barbarian who had not the foggiest notion what a star or a bacterium are.
If that were true then there would be no room for any misinterpretation and yet there are multiple sects of Islam, and Christianity. Those different sects exist because the Quran (or Bible) is the very fallible bullshit of man. Allah/God or whatever is supposed to be perfect. You'd think a perfect being would be capable of writing a book of instructions that couldn't possibly be interpreted more than one way.
It is not a fallacy; to the Quran being marvelous: the enemy gives testimony before the friend.
Read our translation of the Quran interpretation by the inspired Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly
The Quran Interpretation - pdf
The Quran Interpretation (html)
You cannot state for certain there is no human life on any other planet because of some extreme circumstances.
See this our Earth; it has extreme and other moderate circumstances; the planets also have such a variation to a certain extent.. if the circumstances are hostile like on Venus; of course, this can't be suitable for bearing life, or weak gravity like Mercury which holds no atmosphere, but on Mars and the planets beyond, yes there is a good chance of the existence of life which might have not been discovered yet.
I agree of course that astronomers have not yet discovered it, but this is almost expected that they will discover this; I am certain about this.
The journey to Venus is dangerous
The journey to Mars is successful
Lead is a liquid on Mercury. And on Venus. Mars is scoured by deadly solar radiation because it lacks a magnetosphere. Jupiter and Saturn are too heavy, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto are too cold.
Your description above his, reminding me of the three bears story.
I wonder what the holy Koran has to say about loop quantum gravity theory. I'm sure Mo had a handle on that.
I see you don't understand elementary logic either. What a surprise. You cannot show that the book is true by reference solely to the claims made in the book itself. Neither is it marvellous, it's dull, repetitive, derivative, and much of it is plagiarized from Jewish and Christian sources, but that's another argument I've already had with you and I don't propose to go around it again.
To a certain extent?! The extreme conditions on other planets far exceed the extremes anywhere on Earth, to a degree that makes human life on them impossible without heroically huge investments in technology to protect them from the environment. If people were there, we'd know about it, because it could only be us who sent them there. I can indeed state for certain that there is no human life on any other planet, and it's got nothing to do with the theories of any astronomers, it's just a simple fact that nobody from Earth has landed on any of them.
Your composition will not alter the truth.
The Quran defends itself against your claims which are in fact the same as that of your ancestors.
Its similarity to the Torah and the Gospel in general outlines specially {the monotheism and the devotion to God alone} is a proof of its truthfulness, because it is coming from the same God Who revealed all the Torah, the Gospel and the Quran.
Moreover, the Quran differs in many respects from the Torah because God revealed it to suit the specific circumstances of the Arab and the people in later generations: like the easing of fasting, the making lawful of some food items, and the less isolation of wife from husband (which for Jews was at least 14 days), while for Muslims it is about 7 days of the woman monthly cycle, and many other things like these.
Therefore, some statements of the Torah have been changed in the Quran, and others have been preserved.
So the Jewish Abdullah son of Salam converted because he testified its similarity to the monotheism of the Torah.
Quran 46: 10, which means:
(A witness [: Abdullah, the son of Salam] out of the Children of Israel testifies [for you] to the similarity of the [Quran teachings to the teachings of the Torah of Moses]; so [the witness] believed, whereas you waxed proud [over Our messenger]; surely, God guides not [to the way of the truth] the wrong-doing people.")
[Moroever, the Jews said to some Muslims: “Our book is better than your book, and it includes more statements and laws.” Therefore, this aya was revealed to confirm and reassure the heart of the Prophet – salam to him:]
Quran 2: 106, which means:
(Such of the revelations [of the Torah] as We may annul [in the Quran] or preserve, We will bring [in the Quran] one better than it or one similar to it.
Don't you know that God has the power to do whatever He wills?)
More explanation here:
quran-ayat.com/pret/2.htm#a2_106
You have not gone there till now, and you say this with such certainty; it is against your scientific approach. How can you assert the circumstances there are not suitable everywhere on those planets?
The nearest planet to us is Mars, and they are busy sending probes and rovers there to measure the items and bring data, then what about the more remote planets, and which are extensively large? How can you assert this, when no scientist can say this even.. but only guessing and proposing?
I told you, we have measurements of conditions on other planets, any scientist would tell you that.
We've sent probes to every planet in the solar system. Some planets more than once. Gas giants are not suitable for human habitation. Those would be Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. They aren't suitable for numerous reasons; Toxicity, crushing pressure and intense heat at the surface, near super-sonic wind speeds, etc.
And have found absolutely zero evidence of humans, despite your proclamations that Mars is indeed inhabited by humans.
What guessing and proposing? That is precisely what you're doing. Again, we've sent probes to every planet in the solar system, We even sent one to Pluto. We've sent probes to moons besides our own. Not only has there been zero evidence of human life, there's zero evidence of any life at all. In fact, where scientists ARE "guessing and proposing" is certain moons that look promising could be harboring some kind of life in a deep ice-covered ocean, maybe.
In scientific terms that is a hypothesis, it's not even a theory, let alone an assertion. Yet you are authoritatively asserting, based on the raved ramblings of one 1400 yr old book, that humans are spread throughout the solar system.
Just out of curiosity, did those alleged humans also have a "Tower of Babel" moment where their arrogance caused God to make them all different races and speak different languages? Or do the other planets have more of a mono-culture?
No, it's the VERY fallible word of Man who interpreted what he THOUGHT his version of God wanted/was saying.
Man is fallible. Books are made by man. Ergo, the books, even holy books, are fallible and so is the so called word of God in them.
Until someone/God/The Gods show up glowing in all Holy Light themselves and make their Word known provably to all, it's all just words by man to control man.
tsk tsk
I was expecting more from you on Uranus.
:?P
well in Torch light's case it appears to be working
Being certain that something is almost expected is hardly a convincing argument, Torchy. (can I call you 'Torchy'?)
Mind you, a lot of what passes as 'science' today is as equally compelling.
wasn't he the guy that defined 'relative humidity' as the sweat on his balls while he was banging his sister?
Certainly you have such measurements, but scientists keep measuring and moderating or updating their measurements.
Because as man learns new things, old things change. So that leads to 'updates'.
After all, the Quran is just an "update" of the Torah.
The origin of the planets:
They had been one sun that cooled to become earth with a thin crust, which then burst into nine pieces: which became the present planets.
Formation of the planets
They had been one sun that cooled to become earth with a thin crust, which then burst into nine pieces: which became the present planets.
Formation of the planets
The origin of the atmosphere:
The gases emerged from the Earth itself to form the gaseous layers of the atmosphere.
The gaseous heavens
The gases emerged from the Earth itself to form the gaseous layers of the atmosphere.
The gaseous heavens
The Origin of Moon:
It was part of the Earth that detached from it to become the Moon.
Moons and their formation
It was part of the Earth that detached from it to become the Moon.
Moons and their formation
The Origin of Meteorites:
is from the remnants of some planets that were broken up in ancient times, after their Doomsday.
Meteorites
The Origin of Comets:
They are flaming pieces hurled out of the sun after some local explosions in the sun.
Comets
The Origin of Mountains:
The newly formed mountains originated from tectonic layers movements, from earthquakes, from volcano eruptions, from denudation, and other geological reasons.
The early formed mountains: most mountains on Earth and the rest of the planets came from pieces of the torn-up planets after their Doomsday.
Mountains
The origin of life:
Life came to our Earth embedded in the meteorites which had been the planets of the previous solar system which was destroyed in the previous Doomsday.
Life is transmittable (or migrant)
Rain Foramtaion:
It is because of the melting of the snow in the high altitudes.
The rain
All these and many others are found in the book The Universe and the Quran by the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible: Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
is from the remnants of some planets that were broken up in ancient times, after their Doomsday.
Meteorites
The Origin of Comets:
They are flaming pieces hurled out of the sun after some local explosions in the sun.
Comets
The Origin of Mountains:
The newly formed mountains originated from tectonic layers movements, from earthquakes, from volcano eruptions, from denudation, and other geological reasons.
The early formed mountains: most mountains on Earth and the rest of the planets came from pieces of the torn-up planets after their Doomsday.
Mountains
The origin of life:
Life came to our Earth embedded in the meteorites which had been the planets of the previous solar system which was destroyed in the previous Doomsday.
Life is transmittable (or migrant)
Rain Foramtaion:
It is because of the melting of the snow in the high altitudes.
The rain
All these and many others are found in the book The Universe and the Quran by the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible: Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
Yes, "revealed". That doesn't mean squat because he revealed it to MEN, and humans are power hungry jerks who will change things to gain power.
There is nothing that says what God revealed was truth, other than the "word" of the same men who claim and hold power.