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Tecumsehsbones

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This is your opinion with which you are delighted and satisfied.
Wars and violence at the start were initiated by disbelievers against the people devoted to God alone.
Such disbelievers were and are either atheists or religious sects following the idolatry: whether they belong to Jews, Christians or even Muslims.
Originally I was one of the Shia, but now I follow the original Islam, and the Quran while being devoted to God alone with no associate or patron whether imam, sheikh, or saint. I do not follow the different sects of Muslims other than only following the original Islam and the Quran and pure monotheism.

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Sorry, Abdul. People who are genuinely certain they got a handle on Da Troof are much calmer'n you.
 

Dexter Sinister

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This is your opinion with which you are delighted and satisfied.
Some of it's my opinion, yes, but the sectarian violence in Islam is a matter of historical and contemporary fact. I'm not delighted or satisfied with those opinions, I'd rather be wrong because it presents rather dismal prospects for the future of the Middle East, but I don't think I am. It's the Factions of God that are messing things up there, the ongoing battle between Sunni Saudia Arabia and Shia Iran for dominance in the region is a common thread in the Syrian civil war and a lot of the fighting in Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, etc. Most Sunnis and Shias have been able to live together relatively peacefully for 1400 years, but in the latter part of the 20th century and continuing into our day polarization and sectarianism appear to have deepened significantly, often for rather obscure political rather than religious reasons, and the schism has become a much more dominant factor in the lives of Muslims everywhere. It's even begun to appear during the annual pilgrimage to Mecca, with Iran accusing Saudi Arabia of various kinds of discrimination against Shias.

It's hard to be optimistic about any of it.
 

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You speak about Muslims rather than Islam. Islam is the religion of God; Muslims are liable to adhere to or contradict their religion.

As you said in the later decades conflicts appeared, but you ignored the important reason: their enemies who used the policy of divide and rule.

Anyhow Muslims are not different from other God's servants: Jews and Christians who fell into divisions (and still they till the present day) when they opposed the teachings of the Torah and the Gospel: the First Commandment in particular.

Because of the wrongdoing of Muslims against each other, they fell in the association (contrary to the First Commandment and the principal teaching in Islam which is No god but God.. so they worshiped the tombs of their imams and sheikhs.. and for this reason, they conflicted and fought each other, and their enemy was set against them.

But once they regain their wisdom and devote themselves to God alone, they will be victorious and their enemy will flee away from them.
 
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Meh, Christians do a pretty fair job of slaughtering each other to this very day, as Ukraine demonstrates. They just generally don't do it over theological disagreements any more. Just for money and power. And one must always wonder, with Christianity and with Islam, to what extent their past and current theological disagreements are simply masks for good old money-and-power plays.
So you ignore Jews and their crimes, and their role in the Ukraine war... and ignore too the Totamists: the idolaters with their savage wars.

 
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Taxslave2

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You speak about Muslims rather than Islam. Islam is the religion of God; Muslims are liable to adhere to or contradict their religion.

As you said in the later decades conflicts appeared, but you ignored the important reason: their enemies who used the policy of divide and rule.

Anyhow Muslims are not different from other God's servants: Jews and Christians who fell into divisions (and still they till the present day) when they opposed the teachings of the Torah and the Gospel: the First Commandment in particular.

Because of the wrongdoing of Muslims against each other, they fell in the association (contrary to the First Commandment and the principal teaching in Islam which is No god but God.. so they worshiped the tombs of their imams and sheikhs.. and for this reason, they conflicted and fought each other, and their enemy was set against them.

But once they regain their wisdom and devote themselves to God alone, they will be victorious and their enemy will flee away from them.
Islam is the religion of pedophiles.
 

petros

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Hey Habibi, I was born in 1968 a Pisces with Saturn and Mars is prominent in the gills. What can Muzzie astronomers tell me of my future? Do some abracabdra. Eenie meanie chili beanie.

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No, you follow the interpretation of this Al-Hilly.

So now you're lying that you follow the Quran and that you're devoted to "God alone with no associate or patron".

Shame.
So according to your mind: if I follow the prophet, I worship him?

Quran 4: 80, which means:
(Whoever obeys the messenger [and prepares himself to fight], obeys God in fact [because the messenger works according to God‘s command.]
But whoever turns away [from him and does not fight, God will punish him] and We have not sent you [Mohammed] to protect them [from the punishment.])

See the reason for revealing this great aya at the link:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/4.htm#a4_80
 

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Hey Habibi, I was born in 1968 a Pisces with Mars. Saturn and Venus prominent in the gills. What can Muzzie astronomers tell me of my future? Do some abracabdra. Eenie meanie chili beanie.
I can tell you: In the Hereafter, you will curse the day of your birth if you do not believe in God with no associate or equal, and unless you believe in the Quran and the messenger who brought it and in the Hereafter; i.e. if you do not convert.
 
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I can tell you: In the Hereafter, you will curse the day of your birth if you do not believe in God with no associate or equal, and unless you believe in the Quran and the messenger who brought it and in the Hereafter; i.e. if you do not convert.
And you know all this,how?
 

petros

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I can tell you: In the Hereafter, you will curse the day of your birth if you do not believe in God with no associate or equal, and unless you believe in the Quran and the messenger who brought it and in the Hereafter; i.e. if you do not convert.
I don't have to convert. It's not like I can be an Aries if I identify as one.
 

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I don't have to convert. It's not like I can be an Aries if I identify as one.
Astrology and the Zodiac constellations claims are only lies.
None knows the future except God alone.
Quran 27: 65, which means:
(Say [O Mohammed]: "None [of genies and humans] in the heavens and the earth knows the future except God [alone], and they even do not perceive [about] when they will [die and] be sent forth [from their bodies to the Afterlife.]")

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/27.htm#a27_65
 

petros

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Astrology and the Zodiac constellations claims are only lies.
None knows the future except God alone.
Quran 27: 65, which means:
(Say [O Mohammed]: "None [of genies and humans] in the heavens and the earth knows the future except God [alone], and they even do not perceive [about] when they will [die and] be sent forth [from their bodies to the Afterlife.]")

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/27.htm#a27_65
Knowing when to plant seed through the Zodiac does impacts the future which is the state of the harvest. Friday is New Moon. Planting Friday ensures nailing harvest on full moon in late September best known as Harvest Moon.
 

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Sure.

What dies the Quran say about Christian not being infidels but rather brothers in common knowledge of God?

Don't be shy.
I tell you what I told one of my Christian colleagues who once said to me: "No difference between us whether Christians or Muslims!"
I said: "No difference in citizenship, in salary in justice and in common rights... true. But if you do not believe in God as One (not Trinity) and in the Quran, then you will lose in the Hereafter."
So he resented and was angry and could not withstand this; even he told me to go out of his room.
Few months later, I asked his relative about him, who said: that one died.
I praised God that I answered him like that, because he might have taken it as a plea before God and said: they told me no difference. and I would have been responsible for that.
 

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Knowing when to plant seed through the Zodiac does impacts the future which is the state of the harvest. Friday is New Moon. Planting Friday ensures nailing harvest on full moon in late September best known as Harvest Moon.

Agriculture in the due season is true and is a science. But astrology is only lies.
 

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So according to your mind: if I follow the prophet, I worship him?

Not according to my mind, according to your own words.

YOU said:

"Originally I was one of the Shia, but now I follow the original Islam, and the Quran while being devoted to God alone with no associate or patron whether imam, sheikh, or saint. I do not follow the different sects of Muslims other than only following the original Islam and the Quran and pure monotheism."

And yet you do NOT follow the Quran or God, but follow the INTERPRETATION as of Al-Hilly, the person you often quote for your 'references' of the Quran you follow.

So, you lied as you ARE devoted to this man and his interpretations of the Quran.


Quran 4: 80, which means:
(Whoever obeys the messenger [and prepares himself to fight], obeys God in fact [because the messenger works according to God‘s command.]
But whoever turns away [from him and does not fight, God will punish him] and We have not sent you [Mohammed] to protect them [from the punishment.])

See the reason for revealing this great aya at the link:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/4.htm#a4_80

So you follow Al-Hilly, NOT Mohammed? But I thought he was THE Prophet?