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I call you to safety and Paradise, and you call me to disbelief and Fire:

Unanimously you take my words for mockery and amusement, while this may lead to your destruction and ruining especially in your afterlife, whether you believe or not.
So I call you to God, and you call me (and others) to atheism and idolatry; I invite you to safety, and you invite me to Hell.

Therefore, I will never follow your words of atheism, idolatry, and disbelief, whatever you might cunningly compose of decorated words.

This is some of what the believer among Pharaoh's people said, as in the Quran 40: 41-42, which mean;
(41. “My people, I have [no personal advantage with you, and so you deny] my call;
I only call you to the safety [from the chastisement]; while you call me to the [idolatry and associating others with God which will lead to the] Fire.”

42. “You call me to disbelieve in God, and to associate with Him that which I don’t know anything about its truth [: only mere words which they say that these are gods, but their words are not true], while I call you to [God] the All-mighty, the All-forgiving [to those who repent.]”)

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/40.htm#a40_41
 
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I call you to safety and Paradise, and you call me to disbelief and Fire:

Unanimously you take my words for mockery and amusement, while this may lead to your destruction and ruining especially in your afterlife, whether you believe or not.
So I call you to God, and you call me (and others) to atheism and idolatry; I invite you to safety, and you invite me to Hell.

Therefore, I will never follow your words of atheism, idolatry, and disbelief, whatever you might cunningly compose of decorated words.

This is some of what the believer among Pharaoh's people said, as in the Quran 40: 41-42, which mean;
(41. “My people, I have [no personal advantage with you, and so you deny] my call;
I only call you to the safety [from the chastisement]; while you call me to the [idolatry and associating others with God which will lead to the] Fire.”

42. “You call me to disbelieve in God, and to associate with Him that which I don’t know anything about its truth [: only mere words which they say that these are gods, but their words are not true], while I call you to [God] the All-mighty, the All-forgiving [to those who repent.]”)

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/40.htm#a40_41

Okay, so you think everything everyone says in response to you is going to lead to damnnation for that person.

Since it's obvious you won't 'reach' anyone to follow your version of your faith, why are you still here?
 

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I call you to safety and Paradise, and you call me to disbelief and Fire
Nobody's calling you to anything, you can believe whatever pleases you, what you can't do is force it on anyone else; which I've no doubt you'd do if you had the power to do so. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, have all done that when they could. We're just disagreeing with your beliefs and expressing some of our own in contrast to them.
 

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Nobody's calling you to anything, you can believe whatever pleases you, what you can't do is force it on anyone else; which I've no doubt you'd do if you had the power to do so. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, have all done that when they could. We're just disagreeing with your beliefs and expressing some of our own in contrast to them.
Good point. Torchy, I can't recollect anybody here telling you what you should believe. Just pointing out that your fairy tale's no better'n anybody else's, and repetition don't add truth value.

Neither does insistence. You're humping a dry hole.
 
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Nobody's calling you to anything, you can believe whatever pleases you, what you can't do is force it on anyone else; which I've no doubt you'd do if you had the power to do so. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, have all done that when they could. We're just disagreeing with your beliefs and expressing some of our own in contrast to them.
So what do you say about those who try to force homosexuality on people in different countries: European and others, or enhance and encourage it? And to teach and encourage the innocent children in their schools to corrupt them?
 
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Nobody's calling you to anything, you can believe whatever pleases you, what you can't do is force it on anyone else; ... We're just disagreeing with your beliefs and expressing some of our own in contrast to them.
So you are calling me in fact, as I call you to God and His revelations.
 

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Okay, so you think everything everyone says in response to you is going to lead to damnnation for that person.

Since it's obvious you won't 'reach' anyone to follow your version of your faith, why are you still here?
Certainly, if you follow idolatry and atheism, you will lose in the Hereafter and will go to Hell which you deny.
 

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So what do you say about those who try to force homosexuality on people in different countries: European and others, or enhance and encourage it? And to teach and encourage the innocent children in their schools to corrupt them?

You can't force homosexuality onto people.

You can "force" equality though. You can "Force" giving those people the right to live their lives as they see fit. It's not 'enhancing or encouraging', it's realizing that we're all humans with a right to life regardless of beliefs.

Teaching kids and encouraging to corrupt - a lot of people say the same about Islam and the religious Madrasa you all tend to have. Especially the Extremist Madrasa's. So you don't get to have a freebie on calling out indoctrination of kids, Torchy.


Certainly, if you follow idolatry and atheism, you will lose in the Hereafter and will go to Hell which you deny.

But I don't follow Idolatry or Atheism.

I don't believe in Hell, that's true.

But I absolutely believe in God; just not YOUR version of God.
 

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So you are calling me in fact, as I call you to God and His revelations.
Calling you out, perhaps, because I believe you're wrong, but I've made no attempt to call you to anything, I've merely stated what I believe to be true based on my assessment of the evidence available to me. If you read that as calling you to atheism, well, so be it, but it's a bit of stretch.
I'd rather spend eternity with Dex and Serryah than you and your cohort of fanatics.
I'll bring cookies. My wife's oatmeal chocolate chip cookies, best in the world.
Certainly, if you follow idolatry and atheism...
One cannot be both an idolater and an atheist, they're a contradiction in terms.
 
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One cannot be both an idolater and an atheist, they're a contradiction in terms.
The anti-God are either the idolater (and the associater: the one associating others with God), or the atheist, and to a lesser extenet: the disobedient and the profligate.
 

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To be fair, Allah is no more responsible for that than the Christian god or Jesus is responsible for genocide, slavery, or child molestation.
Not blaming Allah. I'm blaming roughly 200 million practitioners of the "religion of peace". One of religion's biggest problems is too many people who firmly believe they are doing their god's work have proven themselves capable of the most heinous, barbaric, inhuman acts..
 

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Not blaming Allah. I'm blaming roughly 200 million practitioners of the "religion of peace". One of religion's biggest problems is too many people who firmly believe they are doing their god's work have proven themselves capable of the most heinous, barbaric, inhuman acts..
Yep, that'd apply to any religion. Even Buddhism, ironically.

Well, except some of the old religions. They had no "Thou shalt not kill" BS. I believe their commandment was "If ya kill him, make sure to get his buddy, too."
 

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Not blaming Allah. I'm blaming roughly 200 million practitioners of the "religion of peace". One of religion's biggest problems is too many people who firmly believe they are doing their god's work have proven themselves capable of the most heinous, barbaric, inhuman acts..
Are you blind or do you blind yourself? Or do you follow your fathers who raised you to your bigotry and fanatism and hatred of the Islam and Muslims? Your people are the barbaric in fact; will I remind you about the past? or only bring your attention to their present wickedness?
Where is the USA or Canada or Europe situated? Are they in Asia or Australia,
so that their military and their fleets roam the oceans in the remote places of Earth.. beyond China and Russia and Japan.
And the EU: France and Germany.. and their occupation and intrusion in the African countries to increase the suffering or the people of these countries.. only to build more nightclubs in their EU countries.
If you are peaceful, as you claim, you will be confined to your region and not transgress everywhere on God's servants: the rest of humankind.
 
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Are you blind or do you blind yourself? Your people are in fact the barbaric; will I remind you?
I'll remind you of yours. Female genital mutilation, tossing gay people off of tall buildings, beheading those who have the temerity to believe something else. murdering people by the hundreds in their church, destroying ancient monuments and cultural sites, flying airliners into skyscrapers, murdering women for wearing the wrong colour tent, joining the SS in WW2, the Grand Mufti taking part in the Holocaust, etc etc.
or only bring your attention to their present wickedness?
Where is the USA or Canada or Europe situated? Are they in Asia or Australia,
Well Europe and Asia are one landmass called Eurasia soo...
so that their military and their fleets roam the oceans in the remote places of Earth.. beyond China and Russia and Japan.
Yep, keeping the commercial shipping lanes clear of assholes.
If you are peaceful, as you claim, you will be confined to your region and not transgress everywhere on God's servants: the rest of humankind.
He says as islamic mutts refuse to be confined to their region and commit mass murder on peaceful people all over the world.