Obama's election

[spiritlovemix]

Hello,

I'm a French student.

Actually I'm posting there because I'm working with my classmates on the Obama's election as you can see in the topic of the forum.

We want to know your reactions about Obama's election? We are working on the 08 election with our English teacher, so feel free to express yourselves in English she will translate, if needed.

What do you think he is going to bring to the Americans and to the world?
What is going to be different of the Bush's mandate?

Thank you for your future answers.

(Sorry if I made some spelling mistakes like I said, I'm French)

 

[Cliffy]

Quebec or France?

By the looks of who Obama is choosing to surround himself with, who his advisers are, I do not see things changing very much. He is working with a lot of G.W. Bushes people so I do not expect that foriegn aggression will slow down, although he may get out of Iraq a little sooner, I'm sure there are others the military/industrial complex would like to bomb.

 

[spiritlovemix]

Thank you for your answer, I hope that it will have others.
I'm from France. I don't know why the Quebec flag is on.

 

[JLM]

Hello,

I'm a French student.

Actually I'm posting there because I'm working with my classmates on the Obama's election as you can see in the topic of the forum.

We want to know your reactions about Obama's election? We are working on the 08 election with our English teacher, so feel free to express yourselves in English she will translate, if needed.

What do you think he is going to bring to the Americans and to the world?
What is going to be different of the Bush's mandate?

Thank you for your future answers.

(Sorry if I made some spelling mistakes like I said, I'm French)

I was of several different minds about it, Iiked seeing a young, energetic person win it as well as a Black man winning as I've always believed that talent is distributed among all races. I'm not sure if he has enough experience in politics and while I admire his determination to succeed in making big changes, I'm just hoping he has the physical and mental stamina to bear with the tough going, as it's going to be next to impossible. So far I see him as an honest decent man and hope he doesn't get corrupted as so many do.

 

[scratch]

spiritlovemix,
D'abord j'ai une question pour vous -- Français du Québec ou de France ?
À mon avis Obama pendant sa campagne l'a jouée très fraîche, luisante, avec le vageness et aucuns vrais engagements à n'importe quoi ou à n'importe qui.
Puisque l'électorat aux Etats-Unis était si fatigué de G.W. Bush (quarante-troisième POTUS) Obama a semblé être comme un avènement,
mais après qu'il ait été élu, était il `le `d'avènement -- Non ! Juste un nouveau président avec le `le même vieux, le même vieux `qui avait continué à Washington pour toujours.

Mon observation finale est celle avec Obama que les Etats-Unis ne seront aucun différent qu'ils étaient avec George Bush.


Sincere Regards,
scratch

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spiritlovemix,
First I have a question for you -- French from Quebec or France?
In my opinion Obama during his campaign played it very cool, slick, with vagueness and no real commitments to anything or anyone.
Because the electorate in the United States was so tired of G. W. Bush (43rd POTUS) Obama seemed to be like a second coming,
but after he was elected, was he `the second coming` -- No! Just a new president with the `same old, same old` that has been going on in Washington forever.

My final observation is that with Obama the United States will be no different than it was with George Bush.

Sincere Regards,
scratch

 

[JLM]

spiritlovemix,
D'abord j'ai une question pour vous -- Français du Québec ou de France ?
À mon avis Obama pendant sa campagne l'a jouée très fraîche, luisante, avec le vageness et aucuns vrais engagements à n'importe quoi ou à n'importe qui.
Puisque l'électorat aux Etats-Unis était si fatigué de G.W. Bush (quarante-troisième POTUS) Obama a semblé être comme un avènement,
mais après qu'il ait été élu, était il `le `d'avènement -- Non ! Juste un nouveau président avec le `le même vieux, le même vieux `qui avait continué à Washington pour toujours.

Mon observation finale est celle avec Obama que les Etats-Unis ne seront aucun différent qu'ils étaient avec George Bush.


Sincere Regards,
scratch

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spiritlovemix,
First I have a question for you -- French from Quebec or France?
In my opinion Obama during his campaign played it very cool, slick, with vagueness and no real commitments to anything or anyone.
Because the electorate in the United States was so tired of G. W. Bush (43rd POTUS) Obama seemed to be like a second coming,
but after he was elected, was he `the second coming` -- No! Just a new president with the `same old, same old` that has been going on in Washington forever.

My final observation is that with Obama the United States will be no different than it was with George Bush.

Sincere Regards,
scratch

Who knows maybe people are going to find out that Old G.W. is as good as they get.......:idea:

 

[Tonington]

He actually gets the energy problem. He made that clear from the start. Employment is going down, he wants to build new efficient infrastructure. Those are jobs that can't be done in Taiwan or Mexico city. That gets things moving not only in America, but as the Federal government is the largest energy consumer in the world, when he retools the Federal Government, that actually moves world markets as well.

Seems to be 180° from Bush. Though he hasn't actually done anything yet except pick his team. As far as that meaning no change, due to who he's picked, how about a sports analogy? Ever seen a new head coach turn a hockey team (or any other sport) around, say from an offensive minded team to a defensive minded team, with pretty much the same core group of players? It's direction from the top that changes what happens. And you do need some new players to compliment that. Seems to be what he's doing.

 

[scratch]

Ton,

I really wish that that were true.
IMO I just do not see it happening.

regards,
scratch

 

[Tyr]

Scratch:

My final observation is that with Obama the United States will be no different than it was with George Bush

Huh???

Nobody in their right mind is like George W. Bush. If Obama believed little green midgets inhabited congress and that those "left behind" (ala LaHaye) were destined to damnation, he still wouldn't be worse than Bush.

Obama was the first Presidental candidate since Kennedy to NOT feel the need to further his cause (Democratic Liberalism) by running down the opposition.

He came out for health care, return of the troops, corporate tax hikes and tax relief for the midlle class. That sounds like a platform to me and one that was sorely needed.

After eight yrs of pandering to the evangelicists, being beholden to corporations and fight two hopeless wars, of course America desperately needed a change.

 

[scratch]

With all due respect to you,

In my opinion it was a nice and VERY expensive show that Obama put on. So after his inauguration all the problems will just evaporate and we will have a new and improved neighbour right next door.

Not.

regards, scratch

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Scratch, Obama is nothing like Bush, he is a huge contrast from Bush. McCain now, would have been a third Bush term.

We don’t know how good he will be at managing the economy, only time will tell. However, when it comes to dealing with the economic meltdown, you are right; there probably is no difference between Bush and Obama. Indeed, then it comes to dealing with economic meltdown, none of them are different, all of them have only one solution, economic stimulus.

None of them, McCain, Hilary etc. would have done anything different. But that is only short term and temporary. nI terms of policy, there are profound differences between the two.

Obama gets it when it comes to global warming, he will take steps to reduce greenhouse gases. Bush used to think that global warming is an Al Qaeda plot to ruin USA’s economy, he refused to do anything about it, indeed, he wouldn’t even acknowledge that there is a problem. That is a huge difference.

Obama is pro choice, while Obama is in power, right to abortion is safe. He will also appoint pro choice judges to Supreme Court and lower courts. He supports gay rights, he wants to ban discrimination against gays, he supports civil unions. He wants to let gay serve openly in the military. Again, huge contrast from Bush.

The immediate results outside world will see is the repeal of Mexico policy. This policy banned any financial aid to an NGO which gives abortion counseling. As a result of this Fundamentalist policy, help for contraception efforts for third world had practically dried up. It will start flowing again under Obama.

There are profound difference between the two.

 

[Tyr]

Scratch

So after his inauguration all the problems will just evaporate and we will have a new and improved neighbour right next door.

Since I didn't insinuate that, I don't have a "pat" answer for you..... but.


Eight years of absolute anarchy will not be easily or quickly repaired. I don't even know if anyone (even Newt Gingrich) could do that in one term.

It will be markedly better though. As I did insinuate, it certainly couldn't have gotten any worse.

Obama's platform is decidely progressive vs. the Bush doctorine which was ultimately regressive.

Obama has "inherited" an economy that is in tatters, two hugely unpopular and undecided wars and a populace who views politicians as being fundamentally corrupt.

He is on the right track, but it remains to be seen if he can pull it off in a short and decisive (vs. devisive) manner.

Good luck to him and he basically has restored some of the hope lost during the Bush debacle

 

[scratch]

We shall see what we shall see.

To clean up the mess would take a miracle.

Even if BO goes two terms, Bush residue will still be around.

regards
scratch

 

[Tyr]

Bush residue will still be around.

ya ya. I know. I stepped in some "Bush residue" this morning and it's stuck in the treads of my shoes

 

[scratch]

Well,

That's what is facing Obama.

scratch

 

[talloola]

Obama is in the transition period, if anyone expects him to have 'done' anything to
change government, it was impossible, he won't be the president till well into January. He is slowly choosing his 'team', I really like the pick of Hilliary for Secretary of state, she will do a fine job.
He is so 'intelligent' and calm and patient. He ran a very 'classy' campaign, did not
resort to childish dirty campaigning, that was classy.
Of course it will take years to turn things around, and I would hope that everyone
realizes that, he isn't a miracle worker, no one is, but he will slowly turn the country around so they can work their way back up and regain confidence and a more positive attitude.
He will gradually pull out of iraq, a good thing, as that will give the country billions
of dollars in savings each and every month, 'what a sickening waste' that was.
I am looking forward to the next 8 years of an obama presidency, but I do not
expect to be jumping around because of any instant remedys, it book bush
eight years to ruin his country and others countries as well, and it will take
a long time to 'heal' that mess.
But I feel confident that they have the right man for the job.

 

[darkbeaver]

Hello,

I'm a French student.

Actually I'm posting there because I'm working with my classmates on the Obama's election as you can see in the topic of the forum.

We want to know your reactions about Obama's election? We are working on the 08 election with our English teacher, so feel free to express yourselves in English she will translate, if needed.

What do you think he is going to bring to the Americans and to the world?
What is going to be different of the Bush's mandate?

Thank you for your future answers.

(Sorry if I made some spelling mistakes like I said, I'm French)

Obama is a seasoned politician vetted by the most powerful financial elements in the world he will ignite the planet in the war to institute global fascism. He serves the international bankers exclusivly, he is a monumental liar, he is a skilled orator and a polished executioner, a servant of wealth and power. He will do no good and we will all suffer.

 

[Tyr]

Obama is in the transition period, if anyone expects him to have 'done' anything to
change government, it was impossible, he won't be the president till well into January.

Actually Rush Limburger is screaming "Where's Obama this Financial crisi" when as you have so astutely put Tallola, Bush is the President right now and will be for the next7+ weeks.

Question is "Where's Bush?"

 

[Tyr]

"a seasoned politician vetted by the most powerful financial elements in the world he will ignite the planet in the war to institute global fascism. He serves the international bankers exclusivly, he is a monumental liar, he is a skilled orator and a polished executioner, a servant of wealth and power. He will do no good and we will all suffer.

I think I had just read this in the The Lies of George W. Bush: Mastering the Politics of Deception although they failed to mention that Georgie was anything close to being a "skilled orator"

So relax DarkBeaver, George will be gone in a couple of months and the world can have hope once again

 

[scratch]

L'un centième et premier jour après son inauguration, nous saurons où Obama est titre et s'il réussit.





On the one hundredth and first day after his inauguration, we will know where Obama is heading and if he is succeeding.