Obama - What is your opinion so far on his Presidency

[Curiosity]

Yukon Jack

Thanks for the WaPo article - I could almost see the correspondent weeping blood out of his eyes....

What a crazy nation this is - but I luv luv it.

Tonington

C'mon down here you bad boy - and live it for a while - I guarantee you will be even more confused - and you have a level head.

I'm half happy I'm a bit tetched in my brain....if it was a comedy I'd be fascinated to see who wins!

Cooperation isn't the goal - it is learning all there is to learn in order to seize
and utilize for personal gain.

 

[TenPenny]

The US will stumble through these next few years, and then after the next election, people will scream and yell that the person sitting in the oval office (whoever it may be) is useless and incompetent, isn't qualified for the job, should never have been elected, and is ruining the country.

Meanwhile, CEOs and investment bankers will make billions of dollars, the auto industry will continue its steady decline, and illegal immigrants will do all the manual labor in the service industries.

 

[YukonJack]

"I could almost see the correspondent weeping blood out of his eyes...."

That "correspondent" is a regular guest on the most hateful - but almost least watched - program on television: Countdown with Keith Olbermann on MSNBC.

You know the same network that wastes money paying Chris Matthews, the guy who gets tingles up his legs (his words) whenever he sees Obama. And even bigger waste, paying Rachel Maddow. And Ed Shultz.

 

[TenPenny]

"I could almost see the correspondent weeping blood out of his eyes...."

That "correspondent" is a regular guest on the most hateful - but almost least watched - program on television: Countdown with Keith Olbermann on MSNBC.

You know the same network that wastes money paying Chris Matthews, the guy who gets up his legs (his words) whenever he sees Obama. And even bigger waste, paying Rachel Maddow. And Ed Shultz.

It can't be a waste of money, obviously you watch it. Some advertiser must be happy.

 

[YukonJack]

"It can't be a waste of money, obviously you watch it. Some advertiser must be happy."

If they knew that I boycott any and all products that sponsor these clowns, maybe they would not be happy.

And I watch it because I prefer to be informed, unlike those who categorically reject anything that does not agree with their narrow view of the world.

 

[Curiosity]

YukonJack

Have to agree - at least CNN has moved a bit to the center of the philosophical commentary while MSNBC clings to one side as if their raft will sink if they move towards center. And, finally I see Fox weighing in on both sides - not always but at least trying to amend.

NBC Network is what is keeping that gang afloat - certainly not their News Corp.

I would not like to broadcast with Olbermann or Matthews - they both look like they spit when they are talking about things which make them angry.ewwww

 

[Tonington]

Cooperation isn't the goal - it is learning all there is to learn in order to seize
and utilize for personal gain.

No offense,. but that sounds like you're reading from Darkbeaver's playbook. Frankly, I don't know how you can be so blunt with an assertion like that. Cooperation between NASA and other national space agencies is not new, is not sinister, and yields results that are to the benefit of many millions, maybe even billions of people.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Sir Joseph

Off topic - but here's a link you might want to see...

Falklands War 1982 - early diplomatic events

Thanks, that is pretty much consistent with my recollection; I was living in Britain at that time. Interestingly, the website mentions torpedoing of General Belgrano, but says nothing about torpedoing of HMS Sheffield, that was the only success for Argentinean Navy in the war.

In a way, the war was good for democracy. Argentinean military lost so much face in the war (it was a story of one defeat after another, it turned out that while the military was good at oppression within the country, it was hopelessly inept at fighting wars outside the country) that the military rule in Argentina did not survive long, it was replaced by democracy in a short order.

Sir Joseph

I turned on the news and Fox was on - this was one of their stories this morning - no doubt any other alphabet network will have it on and rebroadcast for you into Canada as well.
FOXNews.com - NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World

This is the kind of ballet dancer thinking (I love you - you love me) Obama's indulges in - it is fine for a human rights specialist and I agree with it - but not when you have a Space Station which is "astronomical" in potential and has cost "astronomical financial expenditure"...and he wants to operate like a Boy Scout Camp to befriend Muslims?

It's just too weird to believe Sir Joseph - like I said before - You just have to live under it....

Curio

I don’t see anything wrong with that. Assuming the story to be true (and that is a big ‘if’, anything appearing in FOX is suspect to start with, unless confirmed by CNN or a similar reputable network), I see nothing wrong in cooperating with Muslim countries in the space program, provided it does nothing to interfere with the war on terrorism.

Muslim world must be dealt with on two fronts. One is war against terrorism, to try to root out the terrorists wherever possible. The other is to reach out to Muslim countries, to the moderate Muslims. Both are essential if we are to win the war. Bush tried shoot from the hip, cowboy policies for eight years, that got him nowhere. Let us see if Obama is more successful with his policy of stick and carrot (rather than only stick, as practiced by Bush).

Hi YukonJack

Well Fox isn't liked in Canada I understand - but the story is on the internet so the other stations will probably have milked down versions -

Obama is more frightening than a new missile - he smiles while he gives us away.

It is not a question of liking FOX, curiosity. Fox isn’t believed in Canada. It is well known that it is a Republican mouthpiece, so it is reasonable for FOX to outright invent news sorties or bias the existing stories heavily in favour of Republicans. That is why it is not a reputable, respectable news organization, at least internationally. CNN by contrast is universally respected and admired.

Perhaps the Annointed One should worry more about voters (still a majority) at home than pleasing those who, by definition, could not care less about what he thinks, i.e. the Muslim world.

washingtonpost.com

Those of you who routinely dismiss the most powerful name in news should note that this article is by none other than an Obama sycophant published in an Obama worshipper paper.

That sounds like a reasonable article YJ, as one may expect in Washington Post. It seriously tries to assess the mid term elections in a non partisan manner.

I can just imagine similar article on FOX News, where they would confidently predict that Republicans will win the control of senate and House in 2010 (with perhaps a filibuster proof majority in the Senate), win the presidency in 2012 and increase their margins in the Congress still further (like Rasmussen predicted 3 days before the presidential election that it was a statistical dead heat between Obama and McCain).

That is why Washington Post is a respectable, reliable news organization, while FOX isn’t.

 

[Goober]

SJP

It may come as a surprise to you but the USSR was providing Intel to Argentina - satellite photos etc - Easy to locate ships then.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

SJP

It may come as a surprise to you but the USSR was providing Intel to Argentina - satellite photos etc - Easy to locate ships then.

I didn't know that. I do remember that Argentina was hoping for the support both from USA and USSR during the Falklands war, but they were sorely disappointed. USSR did not officially support Argentina.

I remember they sunk Sheffield by using French Exocet missiles. there were no survivors. That was the only black eye Britain received in the war, other than that the war was totally one sided.

 

[Curiosity]

Hi Tonington

Perhaps it sounds dark to you but I cannot foresee any good coming from cooperation with a group of Muslims who are infiltrating the U.S.A. for whatever purposes they deem appropriate.

You think it is ok to have them inhabit the space station? Obama expressly named
Muslims as his crew of choice.

I am all for nations working in cooperation and expansion so everyone benefits from space exploration and study - I cannot see the benefit of having Muslims invited on any missions of the United States for obvious
reasons.

For those readers who deny Fox has any authority or authenticity..... another link:

NASA's new mission: Building ties to Muslim world | Washington Examiner

 

[YukonJack]

Curiosity, any time now you will see the usual idiotic rant about The Washington Examiner being unrelible conservative publication. You know, the same crap from the same know-it-all. Good guess that he will copy and paste his nonsense about Fox and change/edit the name.

 

[Curiosity]

Thanks YukonJack

We can't rely on the media alphabets to "man up" until everything dies down and then they get a new twist on things - perhaps by this evening's news.... They are too busy
appeasing the "president" to assure future soundbites....

Here's another unrelated to Fox but again another Obama issue

Michael Steele: Right About Obama and the Afghanistan War?

 

[Goober]

I didn't know that. I do remember that Argentina was hoping for the support both from USA and USSR during the Falklands war, but they were sorely disappointed. USSR did not officially support Argentina.

I remember they sunk Sheffield by using French Exocet missiles. there were no survivors. That was the only black eye Britain received in the war, other than that the war was totally one sided.

The burnt-out hulk was taken in tow by the Rothesay class frigate HMS Yarmouth but it sank at 53°04'S, 56°56' W on 10 May 1982; the high seas led to slow flooding through the hole in the ship's side, which eventually took her to the bottom. This made her the first Royal Navy vessel sunk in action since WWII. Twenty of her crew (mainly on duty in the galley area) died during the attack. The wreck is a war grave and designated as a protected place[9] under the Protection of Military Remains Act 1986.

And the US did not side with Argentina - They stuck with the Brits

 

[TenPenny]

Perhaps it sounds dark to you but I cannot foresee any good coming from cooperation with a group of Muslims who are infiltrating the U.S.A. for whatever purposes they deem appropriate.

I suppose that it's always possible that some Muslims are infiltrating the USA because they want to live there.

 

[Tonington]

You think it is ok to have them inhabit the space station?

Yes...why wouldn't it be?

Obama expressly named Muslims as his crew of choice.

He did? Which article was that in?

NASA's new mission: Building ties to Muslim world | Washington Examiner

OK, I have to call bull on what's in this article. The ending of the space shuttle program was already planned in NASA's budget. By the previous Administration. Yes, before Obama even became President, there was going to be a gap in the launch capability, because the shuttle program was planned to end before a replacement would be available. The Constellation program was scrapped, and Obama's vision for space exploration opens the door to more investment from private companies. Companies like SpaceX

The Military buys jets from Boeing, why shouldn't NASA get the benefit of private enterprise? What's more, why would any conservatives in America fault him for that?

 

[Goober]

Yes...why wouldn't it be?



He did? Which article was that in?



OK, I have to call bull on what's in this article. The ending of the space shuttle program was already planned in NASA's budget. By the previous Administration. Yes, before Obama even became President, there was going to be a gap in the launch capability, because the shuttle program was planned to end before a replacement would be available. The Constellation program was scrapped, and Obama's vision for space exploration opens the door to more investment from private companies. Companies like SpaceX

The Military buys jets from Boeing, why shouldn't NASA get the benefit of private enterprise? What's more, why would any conservatives in America fault him for that?

Also EU Countries have been slapped with a illegal subsidies violating WTO trade rules for Airbus. Came out in the last week or 2

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Hi Tonington

Perhaps it sounds dark to you but I cannot foresee any good coming from cooperation with a group of Muslims who are infiltrating the U.S.A. for whatever purposes they deem appropriate.

You think it is ok to have them inhabit the space station? Obama expressly named
Muslims as his crew of choice.

I am all for nations working in cooperation and expansion so everyone benefits from space exploration and study - I cannot see the benefit of having Muslims invited on any missions of the United States for obvious
reasons.

For those readers who deny Fox has any authority or authenticity..... another link:

NASA's new mission: Building ties to Muslim world | Washington Examiner

I looked at Washington Examiner briefly and if anything, it is even less credible than FOX News (if such a thing is possible). One only has to look at the opinion column to know that it is indeed an extreme right website, comparable to TownHall or WorldNetDaily. The internet is full of them.

Really, if you cannot give a credible source such as CNN, CBS, Washington Post, BBC etc., I am inclined to dismiss the whole thing as an invention of the extreme right (not that there is anything wrong with what Obama is doing, even if the news item were true)

But I wouldn’t believe anything the extreme right wing teabaggers say.

Curiosity, any time now you will see the usual idiotic rant about The Washington Examiner being unrelible conservative publication. You know, the same crap from the same know-it-all. Good guess that he will copy and paste his nonsense about Fox and change/edit the name.

You got it, YJ. If anything, Washington Examiner is even less credible than FOX. I can see FOX news reporting an accurate news item once in a while (I assume it reported the election victory of Obama, however reluctantly).

Websites like Washington Examiner are extreme websites, designed specifically to cater to the Republican Party base.

For instance, I read an article by Hewitt, an extreme right wing columnist on the website. The gist of his article was that Republicans have Senate and House as good as won in November, the only question is how big the margin will be. And he seems to think that the margin will be huge, he is confidently predicting that Democratic senators even in safe seats, like Chuck Schumer of New York will go down to defeat. In essence he is predicting that Republicans will win every senate seat in November.

That one article alone is enough to convince me not to believe anything I would read on the website.

Thanks YukonJack

We can't rely on the media alphabets to "man up" until everything dies down and then they get a new twist on things - perhaps by this evening's news.... They are too busy
appeasing the "president" to assure future soundbites....

Here's another unrelated to Fox but again another Obama issue

Michael Steele: Right About Obama and the Afghanistan War?

Didn't Steele get into trouble with other Republicans because of what he said? Many Republicans disagree with him.

 

[petros]

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[Curiosity]

Whew

I'm gonna have to back out of this thread - defending news outlets either electronic or print isn't my idea of a fun day off.

Appreciate all the discussion however and hope my fears will never be realized. We all have our opinions and what attracts our attention and perhaps in a few days when the news fleshes out I will be more relieved as to the future of NASA. Perhaps sanity will prevail.

I hope my fears will never be realized.