Obama Health care Reform

[countryboy]

Gopher is speaking figuratively, countryboy. Senators and Congressmen cannot be impeached. Impeachment is reserved for the executive branch (presidents, governors) and the judges.

If a Senator or Congressman misbehaves, the only remedy is action by the whole chamber (which rarely happens) or people throwing him out at the next election (which can happen if it is a swing district, but again, rarely happens in a safe Republican or a safe Democratic district).

"...throwing him (tsk, tsk - you forgot "or her") out..." - Do you mean that figuratively or literally? Or in a "just kidding" sort of way? I'm not that quick on the draw, so you'll have to be patient and go slowly so I have a chance to catch up with you. Thanks.

 

[countryboy]

"...throwing him (tsk, tsk - you forgot "or her") out..." - Do you mean that figuratively or literally? Or in a "just kidding" sort of way? I'm not that quick on the draw, so you'll have to be patient and go slowly so I have a chance to catch up with you. Thanks.

PS - ...and if someone else said, "Anyone voting for this legistlation should be shot at sunrise", that would be acceptable? As long as they were speaking figuratively, of course. Just trying to get a handle on the correctness thing...

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Acting immature again?

No more than you confidently foretelling that Republicans will win the control of the Congress and House, EagleSmack.

Anyway, would you care to put numbers on your crystal ball predictions? How many Senate seats do you think (sorry, know) that Republicans will end up with? 60, 70, 80, what is the exact number? Surely you must know that if you 'know' that Republicans are going to gain control of the Senate.

Similarly, how many seats will Republicans get in the House? 400, 450, 500, what does your crystal ball tell you?

Reminds me of the time in 1992, when Pat Robertson said that God told him that Bush was going to win the election. Maybe your God told you that Republicans' will get control of the Cognress in 2010, I don't know.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

"...throwing him (tsk, tsk - you forgot "or her") out..." - Do you mean that figuratively or literally? Or in a "just kidding" sort of way? I'm not that quick on the draw, so you'll have to be patient and go slowly so I have a chance to catch up with you. Thanks.

So far there has not been a ‘her’ countryboy, no doubt some day there will be. And when that happens, it will be even a juicer scandal that a male politician involved in sexual peccadilloes. The society still had a double standard when it comes to sexual exploits by men and women.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

PS - ...and if someone else said, "Anyone voting for this legistlation should be shot at sunrise", that would be acceptable? As long as they were speaking figuratively, of course. Just trying to get a handle on the correctness thing...

But why are you asking, me, it wasn't my remark. Ask Gopher.

 

[countryboy]

So far there has not been a ‘her’ countryboy, no doubt some day there will be. And when that happens, it will be even a juicer scandal that a male politician involved in sexual peccadilloes. The society still had a double standard when it comes to sexual exploits by men and women.

Wait a minute. There has not been a "her" in the Senate or House? Or, do you mean there has not been a misbehaving "her" member in either house? And how did you get to "sexual" here...what was on your mind when that one popped out?

The original context of this length of the thread was about voting for a health care bill, was it not?

Told you I was easily confused...

 

[countryboy]

Quite so, EagleSmack. Joan of Arc will be on the throne in Washington D.C., Bible (or rather the Fundamentalist version of the Bible) will become the constitution, Christian Sharia will be the rule of the day, Christian Taliban will govern the country and everybody will live happily ever after (or at least they better act as if they are happy, or else.),

Are these people part of that new SOB party that Gopher is talking about? I don't see them listed in the Republican or Democrat roll calls. Maybe I'd better start watching the TV news again...I need some fair and balanced information, obviously. :-(

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Wait a minute. There has not been a "her" in the Senate or House? Or, do you mean there has not been a misbehaving "her" member in either house? And how did you get to "sexual" here...what was on your mind when that one popped out?

The original context of this length of the thread was about voting for a health care bill, was it not?

Told you I was easily confused...

There has not been a ‘her’ involved in sexual scandal yet, so I am justified in using the pronoun him. And I think we were discussing about politician misbehaving.

And no, we were not talking about the health care reform, we were talking about impeaching a Senator or Congressman, we got side tracked. You asked if politicians can be impeached, to which I replied, they cannot be. This is my post # 115.

Gopher is speaking figuratively, countryboy. Senators and Congressmen cannot be impeached. Impeachment is reserved for the executive branch (presidents, governors) and the judges.

If a Senator or Congressman misbehaves, the only remedy is action by the whole chamber (which rarely happens) or people throwing him out at the next election (which can happen if it is a swing district, but again, rarely happens in a safe Republican or a safe Democratic district).

So we were not talking o health care, but of impeachment, or of throwing out the misbehaving politicians. And when it comes to (sexual) misbehavior, there has not yet been a ‘her’.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Are these people part of that new SOB party that Gopher is talking about? I don't see them listed in the Republican or Democrat roll calls. Maybe I'd better start watching the TV news again...I need some fair and balanced information, obviously. :-(

Depends upon who is doing the talking, countryboy. If Gopher is talking, Republican Part is the SOB Party. If EagleSmack is talking, Demcoratic Party is the SOB party.

 

[Francis2004]

Gopher is speaking figuratively, countryboy. Senators and Congressmen cannot be impeached. Impeachment is reserved for the executive branch (presidents, governors) and the judges.

If a Senator or Congressman misbehaves, the only remedy is action by the whole chamber (which rarely happens) or people throwing him out at the next election (which can happen if it is a swing district, but again, rarely happens in a safe Republican or a safe Democratic district).

I know Governors can be "recalled" as what California did when Arnold took over..

Do they have that ability at the Senator or Congressman level ? I thought some States did ?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I know Governors can be "recalled" as what California did when Arnold took over..

Do they have that ability at the Senator or Congressman level ? I thought some States did ?

Governors can also be impeached (as Illinois governor was, and as attempts were made to impeach Mark Sanford of South Carolina).

But I don’t think Senators or Congressmen can be recalled. At least I am not aware of any incidence of any of them being recalled. It may be possible at the state level, I don’t know, but at least not federally.

 

[countryboy]

Depends upon who is doing the talking, countryboy. If Gopher is talking, Republican Part is the SOB Party. If EagleSmack is talking, Demcoratic Party is the SOB party.

As usual, beauty and righteousness are in the eye of the beholder!

 

[gopher]

''same coverage the Senate and Congress have''


Amen to that!

 

[Francis2004]

But I don’t think Senators or Congressmen can be recalled. At least I am not aware of any incidence of any of them being recalled. It may be possible at the state level, I don’t know, but at least not federally.

Sorry after a bit of research and good Google word search I found the answer..

Yes they can be recalled.. Here are the 18 states which have the power to recall those elected..

The following are the 18 states where state representatives can be recalled: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, Washington and Wisconsin. The District of Columbia also allows recalls.

How to Recall a State Representative | eHow.com

 

[ironsides]

Gopher is speaking figuratively, countryboy. Senators and Congressmen cannot be impeached. Impeachment is reserved for the executive branch (presidents, governors) and the judges.

If a Senator or Congressman misbehaves, the only remedy is action by the whole chamber (which rarely happens) or people throwing him out at the next election (which can happen if it is a swing district, but again, rarely happens in a safe Republican or a safe Democratic district).

Any elected official may be impeached, no one is immune.

 

[ironsides]

Right now, the U.S. cannot afford this Obama health plan as proposed by the Pelosi House. Our children will never be able to pay off this debt we have incurred. Things are much different now than in 1929.

 

[weaselwords]

Get it over with & run a single payer health plan otherwise insurance cos, doctors, HMO's & for profit Hospitals will continue to get rich on others sickness & misfortune

 

[countryboy]

But why are you asking, me, it wasn't my remark. Ask Gopher.

A couple of reasons I was asking you:
1. You came into the discussion on your post #115 - remember?
2. Gopher appears to be unwilling or unable to answer for himself

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Any elected official may be impeached, no one is immune.

I don’t think so, ironsides. I don’t’ think a Senator or a Congressman can be impeached. Show me the link in literature where it says that they can. Or show me an instance where a Senator or a Congressman has been impeached, I don’t think there have been any instances.

At state level, they may be recalled in some states, but I don’t think they can even be recalled at the federal level. If a member of the Congress misbehaves, I think the only remedy is for the voters to throw him out at the polls (Senate can vote to censure or condemn his behavior, in extreme cases, even his party may throw him out of the party, but I don’t think there is any mechanism for impeaching a senator or a congressman).

I think impeachment is a mechanism applicable to executive and judiciary branches, not the legislative branch.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Right now, the U.S. cannot afford this Obama health plan as proposed by the Pelosi House. Our children will never be able to pay off this debt we have incurred. Things are much different now than in 1929.

This just in, ironsides. Democrats have forged a compromise which is acceptable to all the 60 Democratic Senators. Republican Leader, McConnell, was hopping mad about it, I saw his press conference.

The Republican role in the health care reform has been limited to boos and catcalls from the side line, along with a hope that no reform takes place, that things go on as before perpetually (evident from the fact that they did nothing to try to reform health care when they had the Congress for 12 years). But since they do not have more than 40 voters, they were hoping that Democrats will self destruct themselves.

Well, doesn’t look like that is going to happen. Looks like they have 60 votes. I do hope that they pass some kind of health care reform. If they are going to lose the control of the Congress next year, it is much better that they do so because they did something (passed health care reform), rather than lose the control because they did nothing.