Now confirmed that Trump is putting innocent children in cages

[gopher]

meanwhile, white Russian anchor babies are welcome:


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/birth-tourism-brings-russian-baby-boom-miami-n836121

 

[Walter]

Democrat Admits She Didn't Really Care About Family Separation Under Obama
https://www.dailywire.com/news/32102/watch-democrat-admits-she-didnt-really-care-about-ryan-saavedra

 

[Ocean Breeze]

So, after trump reverses HIS own policy and the issues it created...........WHEN will those caged children be united with their families. He said NOTHING about this reunification........so one has to assume he might hang on to them.....and use them to bargain for his wall.

Seems that the only reason he reversed on caging children.......is that it gave him some pretty BAD optics.

BTW: his language is totally disgusting. .......and not anything that is appropriate for a national leader.

What a simpleton who keeps bagging about how rich he is ......

For those that are so enamoured with his "success" and Money........ it would be nice to see his tax return....... and evaluate just HOW he got that way........and whayshyster actions he took to get it.

The standard of a person is NOT measured by his money .......but his character..........and his character is severely lacking.

Back to the caged Kids.........WHAT NOW??

Democrat Admits She Didn't Really Care About Family Separation Under Obama
https://www.dailywire.com/news/32102/watch-democrat-admits-she-didnt-really-care-about-ryan-saavedra

So?? Did we not say that it is NOT a party issue but a humanitarian issue?? The US as a nation has a strong side that is not humanitarian. For one thing it loves weapons too much. (wars too)

It is important to get out of the narrow prism of left right and see the issue for what it is.

it is a HUMAN RIGHTS issue. The US can no longer bellyache about other countries human rights disasters. as it is not an example for same.

All you are doing is playing the Trump game: blaming the left for what the right ( Well...Trumpian gang) is doing. and tha is just distorting reality.


The question that comes to mind is : Where is AMal Clooney........the high priced human rights lawyer?? Their silence on the matter is rather curious.

 

[Hoid]

Democrat Admits She Didn't Really Care About Family Separation Under Obama
https://www.dailywire.com/news/32102/watch-democrat-admits-she-didnt-really-care-about-ryan-saavedra

because Obama put 2000 kids in jail

a white nationalist climate change denier told me so

 

[darkbeaver]

O the horror , three square meals a day in an air conditioned building , with its ,blankets and sanitation facilities, afterspending40 days and 40 nights wandering through the hostile desert , o the horror .

How very American of you to assume such conditions, specifications please? I doubt if running water is avaiable. There,s nothing worse than an American prison, bullshit all day and into the night

 

[Ocean Breeze]

because Obama put 2000 kids in jail

a white nationalist climate change denier told me so

Trump''s LIES are "truths" to Trumpians. and that is scary.

Trumpians don't bother to verify the Trump BS........and just accepted it at face value.

Fact c heckling seems to be a foreign language to them.

 

[Mowich]

Nope, picking and choosing facts is hate. And how you present them is hate.

For example, if Indians have problems, and you spend millions, and it doesn't seem to do any good, it's concern if you care about the problems. It's hate if you only care about the money.

But that's OK, sit back and enjoy the sight of Spanky climbing his wide ass down from the tower of lies he vomited up. Maybe he'll slip and crush Nazi Barbie.

You are absolutely right, Tec. I do care about the money and the wasteful way it is being thrown about with no recognition, little if any accounting and little if any progress on many different fronts. I'm still hearing the same demands that I first heard as a teenager and hearing about the same problems. Yet in all that time, countless billions of dollars earmarked to improve the lives of Aboriginals have simply vanished into the coffers of the AFN. The only real change has been in the rise of well-educated young Aboriginals, many of them lawyers who have put together a manifesto complete with buzzwords such as 'settler', 'settler mentality' and 'colonialism'. Having done that they spoon-fed it to the less well-informed and gave them their marching orders. Their timing was perfect and they must have been beside themselves with joy when JT got elected. I just bet more than a few of them are smart enough to have had his number from the beginning. If so, they might actually be able to accomplish something for their people. I really do hope so because they are not winning much support from Canadians as a whole with their approach though it does get the media's attention and there is some value in that. Then you have the AFN who are not at all happy with the rise of the youngsters who threaten to shake up the cozy little club they have going. They are the ones standing in the way of progress and progress will only really come when the Indian Act is abolished. But what is Grand Chief Percy Bellegarde talking about at the convention - the $17 billion that he got out of the government. The young Turks would do well to stand down from their activist stance, take a deep breath then focus on coming to an agreement with the government to end the racist, hateful, segregationist Indian Act.

So if caring about the money makes me hateful...........then so be it.

 

[Curious Cdn]

I'm waiting for Trump to spin today's flip-flop as SAVING the poor waifs from the FBI witch hunt and the Democrats. The dim bulbs that make up the Trumpiverse will eat up every morsel of the malarkey, too.

 

[mentalfloss]

I have a question.

If America is so evil...putting children in cages, etc. Then why do these people want to come to this country in the first place?

Because they didn't know they would go to a place dumb enough to put their kids in cages.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Because they didn't know they would go to a place dumb enough to put their kids in cages.

and they were desperate to escape the craziness of their own countries. They are coming because they have little choice ........and for most is s the last resort. Most know that America has issues...... but it is
better" than what they are running from. They take major risks to get away from the horrors of their own countries.

IF their country of origin had a safer and better quality of lilfe for its citizens.......they would not be leaving in droves.

Maybe Trump the deal maker can make a deal with the countries of origin........instead of building a silly wall.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Trump doesn't like agreements with other countries very much, by the looks of it. Perhaps, if they sweeten the pot with a Nobel prize, he'll sit down with the Latin Americans. There has to be something in it for HIM.

 

[Bar Sinister]

And look, another asshole who only cares about kids when it suits their bias. How wonderfully progressive of you. Yes, let's all pretend this hasn't been happening in Canada for years while we get all super self-righteous about Trump. Yeah, that's much easier than admitting our own human rights faults as a country and those of its leader(s).

Or is it simply the numbers that bother you? Is less than 200 per year acceptable to you? 300? 500? At what number does your faux moral outrage kick in?

Still a non-sequitur and personal attacks don't prove you right. They do prove you don't know how to create an argument, however.

 

[spaminator]

Alleged Peter Fonda tweet. Apparently Melanoma went crying to the secret service.
"We should rip Barron Trump from his mother's arms and put him in a cage with pedophiles and see if mother will will stand up against the giant a--hole she is married to. 90 million people in the streets on the same weekend in the country. F---,"

Fonda apologizes for tweeting Trump’s kid should be caged with pedos | Toronto Sun

MALCOLM: The current border discussion is frenzy over facts
Candice Malcolm
Published:
June 20, 2018
Updated:
June 20, 2018 7:47 PM EDT
There is a media frenzy unfolding south of the border over the issue of separating migrant families who illegally cross into the U.S. from Mexico.
Despite the hysteria coming from both American and Canadian mainstream media outlets, the policy was not an initiative of the Trump administration.
The U.S. has a long-standing policy of arresting and detaining migrants who cross illegally into their country. Those who enter illegally are detained and held until their asylum case can be heard in front of an immigration judge.
This is exactly what Canada did in 2010 and 2012 when large ships carrying Sri Lankan migrants arrived unannounced off the B.C. coast.
There was similar panic among the left in Canada.
But, as it turns out, the ships were carrying a number of wanted terrorists and war criminals. Had Canada simply released these migrants and asked them to return for their asylum court date, the criminals and gangsters may have chosen to disappear and go on the lam.
When large groups of migrants arrive at once, in an effort clearly co-ordinated by human smugglers, countries must take precautions.
As a counter example, during the migrant crisis that exploded throughout Europe in 2014 and 2015, immigration security was ignored and sacrificed. Islamic State militants took advantage of Western naivety and infiltrated the flow of migrants with their own agents.
They even boasted about it in interviews with Western media.
There are now an estimated 5,000 ISIS fighters in Europe, with a larger network of extremist supporters and sympathizers. They have operational cells in every major European city, and they weren’t shy to wage their war on unsuspecting European civilians.
A cell of ISIS terrorists, men who were trained in Syria and travelled to France amidst the flow of refugees, carried out the deadly attacks in Paris in November 2015 that killed 130 innocent people.
In the U.S., there are fears that MS-13 gang members will similarly manipulate the American immigration system and sneak in amongst the asylum seekers. As such, Trump announced a “zero-tolerance” policy and sent more border agents to arrest those crossing illegally.
As far as the policy of separating children from their parents, it predates Trump by about 20 years.
In 1997, under President Bill Clinton, the U.S. government agreed not to keep unaccompanied children who had entered the U.S. illegally in custody for more than 20 days. According to Ben Shapiro, editor-in-chief of the Daily Wire, an appeals court later ruled that the 20-day law would also apply to children who cross with their parents.
So, while parents are waiting for their case to be heard in front of an immigration judge, their children get moved to something like a boarding school.
The U.S. media toured one of these facilities over the weekend, which led to a total meltdown and hyperbolic accusations that Trump is a fascist, that America has become Nazi Germany, and, the NDP’s favourite talking point, that the U.S. is no longer a safe country.
Brandon Darby, a reporter with Breitbart Texas, meanwhile, posted 39 photos of children being held in far worse conditions under the Obama administration.
Funny how there was no hysterical media backlash back then.
Facts matter, and the media’s frenzied double standard against Trump doesn’t help anyone.
Finally, on Wednesday, Trump issued an executive order to nullify the 1997 law and allow families to stay together. So much for the media narrative.
MALCOLM: The current border discussion is frenzy over facts | Toronto Sun

'WAH WAH': Ex-Trump staffer mocks story about girl with Down syndrome
Associated Press
More from Associated Press
Published:
June 20, 2018
Updated:
June 20, 2018 10:06 AM EDT
WASHINGTON — A former campaign manager for Donald Trump has created a stir by dismissing a story about a girl with Down syndrome with a sarcastic “Wah wah.”
Corey Lewandowski appeared Tuesday on Fox News Channel to discuss President Trump’s hard-line immigration policy, which has led to the practice of taking migrant children from parents charged with entering the country illegally.
Earlier Tuesday, a Mexican official said one of those children was a 10-year-old girl with Down syndrome.
When another Fox panelist mentioned that story, Lewandowski responded with “Wah wah.”
Despite being fired from the Trump campaign in 2016, Lewandowski appears to have regained the president’s approval. During an April rally in Michigan, Trump called Lewandowski on stage and praised him for not being a “pushover” or a “patsy.”
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‘WAH WAH’: Ex-Trump staffer mocks story about girl with Down syndrome | Toronto Sun

 

[petros]

The under educated don't know Yankeeland is the source of their suffering. The propaganda all shows the US like a Disney land character, all a roses and sunshine. They never show the ghettos, the crumbling infrastructure, the homelessness, the police murdering people in the streets... should I go on?

You can't get in the US because you are a felon so what are you basing your conclusion on? Youtube? Fascistbook? Word of mouth?

 

[Jinentonix]

Well, now that Trump has been "dealt" with on this matter, are we going to quit pretending that it isn't happening here? You know, because you bunch of self-righteous leftist c*nts so obviously care about the kids. Or are you okay with being "Trump North"?

 

[petros]

They are cool with being Trump North. Do they look or sound concerned?

 

[justlooking]

Well, now that Trump has been "dealt" with on this matter, are we going to quit pretending that it isn't happening here? You know, because you bunch of self-righteous leftist c*nts so obviously care about the kids. Or are you okay with being "Trump North"?

What ?


Oh, no no no, it doesn't happen here, the gov't told us everything is ok, so no reporters
will be looking for anything...






Because, well,........... LOOK !! TRUMP IS DOING SOMETHING ELSE !!! IMPEACH !!! IMPEACH !!!

 

[OpposingDigit]

It is all the fault of Iran and Russia.

 

[Danbones]

Don't forget kim in NK (the SUPER LEFTIST of the whole bunch, whom the not quite as left behind trump haters hate so much) tellin 'em all what to do....

 

[taxslave]

Have you heard that children were separated from their parents under Obama & Clinton? Then, you need a little Facts vs Myths lesson. Michelle Martin, PhD Cal State Fullerton summed up the most important FACTS:

There is so much misinformation out there about the Trump administration's new "zero tolerance" policy that requires criminal prosecution, which then warrants the separating of parents and children at the border. Before responding to a post defending this policy, please do your research...As a professor at a local Cal State, I research and write about these issues, so here, I'll make it easier for you:

Myth: This is not a new policy and was practiced under Obama and Clinton - FALSE. The policy to separate parents and children is new and was instituted on 4/6/2018. It was the brainchild of John Kelly and Stephen Miller to serve as a deterrent for undocumented immigration, approved by Trump, and adopted by Sessions. Prior administrations detained migrant families, but didn’t have a practice of forcibly separating parents from their children unless the adults were deemed unfit.

Myth: This is the only way to deter undocumented immigration - FALSE. Annual trends show that arrests for undocumented entry are at a 46 year low, and undocumented crossings dropped in 2007, with a net loss (more people leaving than arriving). Deportations have increased steadily though (spiking in 1996 and more recently), because several laws that were passed since 1996 have made it legally more difficult to gain legal status for people already here, and thus increased their deportations (I address this later under the myth that it's the Democrats' fault). What we mostly have now are people crossing the border illegally because they've already been hired by a US company, or because they are seeking political asylum. Economic migrants come to this country because our country has kept the demand going. But again, many of these people impacted by Trump's "zero tolerance" policy appear to be political asylum-seekers.

Myth: Most of the people coming across the border are just trying to take advantage of our country by taking our jobs - FALSE. Most of the parents who have been impacted by Trump's "zero tolerance" policy have presented themselves as political asylum-seekers at a U.S. port-of-entry, from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. Rather than processing their claims, they have been taken into custody on the spot and had their children ripped from their arms. The ACLU alleges that this practice violates the Asylum Act, and the UN asserts that it violates the UN Treaty on the State of Refugees, one of the few treaties the US has ratified. This is an illegal act on the part of the United States government, not to mention morally and ethically reprehensible.

Myth: We're a country that respects the Rule of Law, and if people break the law, this is what they get - FALSE. We are a country that has an above-ground system of immigration and an underground system. Our government (under both parties) has always been aware that US companies recruit workers in the poorest parts of Mexico for cheap labor, and ICE (and its predecessor INS) has looked the other way because this underground economy benefits our country to the tune of billions of dollars annually. Thus, even though the majority of people crossing the border now are asylum-seekers, those who are economic migrants (migrant workers) likely have been recruited here to do jobs Americans will not do.

Myth: The children have to be separated from their parents because there parents must be arrested and it would be cruel to put children in jail with their parents - FALSE. First, in the case of economic migrants crossing the border illegally, criminal prosecution has not been the legal norm, and families have been kept together at all cost. Also, crossing the border without documentation is a typically a misdemeanor not requiring arrest, but rather a civil proceeding. Additionally, parents who have been detained have historically been detained with their children in ICE "family residential centers," again, for civil processing. The Trump administration's shift in policy is for political purposes only, not legal ones.

Myth: We have rampant fraud in our asylum process the proof of which is the significant increase we have in the number of people applying for asylum. FALSE. The increase in asylum seekers is a direct result of the increase in civil conflict and violence across the globe. While some people may believe that we shouldn't allow any refugees into our country because "it's not our problem," neither our current asylum law, nor our ideological foundation as a country support such an isolationist approach. There is very little evidence to support Sessions' claim that abuse of our asylum-seeking policies is rampant. Also, what Sessions failed to mention is that the majority of asylum seekers are from China, not South of the border.

Myth: The Democrats caused this, "it's their law." FALSE. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats caused this, the Trump administration did (although the Republicans could fix this today, and have refused). I believe what this myth refers to is the passage of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, which were both passed under Clinton in 1996. These laws essentially made unauthorized entry into the US a crime (typically a misdemeanor for first-time offenders), but under both Republicans and Democrats, these cases were handled through civil deportation proceedings, not a criminal proceeding, which did not require separation. And again, even in cases where detainment was required, families were always kept together in family residential centers, unless the parents were deemed unfit (as mentioned above). Thus, Trump's assertion that he hates this policy but has no choice but to separate the parents from their children, because the Democrats "gave us this law" is false and nothing more than propaganda designed to compel negotiation on bad policy.

Myth: The parents and children will be reunited shortly, once the parents' court cases are finalized. FALSE. Criminal court is a vastly different beast than civil court proceedings. Also, the children are being processed as unaccompanied minors ("unaccompanied alien children"), which typically means they are sent into the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR), which is part of the Department of Health and Human Services (DHS). Under normal circumstances when a child enters the country without his or her parent, ORR attempts to locate a family member within a few weeks, and the child is then released to a family member, or if a family member cannot be located, the child is placed in a residential center (anywhere in the country), or in some cases, foster care. Prior to Trump's new policy, ORR was operating at 95% capacity, and they simply cannot effectively manage the influx of 2000+ children, some as young as 4 months. Also, keep in mind, these are not unaccompanied minor children, they have parents. There is great legal ambiguity on how and even whether the parents will get their children back because we are in uncharted territory right now. According to the ACLU lawsuit (see below), there is currently no easy vehicle for reuniting parents with their children. Additionally, according to a May 2018 report, numerous cases of verbal, physical and sexual abuse were found to have occurred in these residential centers.

Myth: This policy is legal. LIKELY FALSE. The ACLU filed a lawsuit against the Trump administration on 5/6/18, and a recent court ruling denied the government's motion to dismiss the suit. The judge deciding the case stated that the Trump Administration policy is "brutal, offensive, and fails to comport with traditional notions of fair play and decency." The case is moving forward because it was deemed to have legal merit.

Too bad she lies. Look at little farther up the page for proof.

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