Northern Gateway pipeline opposed by 50% in B.C

Cliffy

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It's a religion with a head honcho and my religion is way of life too.
I have never met a head honcho and I have never seen anything approaching a hierarchy. I have been involved with native spirituality for almost 40 years and I have yet to participate in any ceremony that was the same as any other. I have never been required to believe anything or see any dogma in any of it. I have never been told that their way is the only way or that others are wrong. And I have never been told by anyone that I cannot participate in the rituals and ceremonies of any other group. Every medicine person I have ever met has had a different view and way of doing things. And even though I have no native blood that I know of, I have always been accepted as a brother wherever I have gone. I am an honourary and associate member of several tribes. I have never been thus honoured by any religion and I have always been required to join if I wanted to be accepted. So, no, I don't think spirituality and religion are the same things at all.
 

petros

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No? Never heard of "The Creator"? No dogma? So I won't get in **** if I don't smudge before entering a lodge and women don't have to head off to the woods to bleed (sleep in one room together these days). I can get away without an offering if I take an animal? I'll be cool if I don't give a pipe carrier a bale of tobacco if seeking advice or healing?
 

JLM

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One does not have to be religious to recognize the sacredness of life. Native spirituality is not a religion, it is a way of life that honours all of creation. Capitalists only honour cash. That is the new religion. They are the ones willing to trade their mother for money, whatever their religious or spiritual persuasion.

The main difference between religion and spirituality is the collection plate! :lol:
 

petros

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re·li·gion
noun 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.

5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
 

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Ottawa’s environmental-review overhaul hits tough hurdles

The federal government’s insistence that cabinet should have final say over resource projects such as Enbridge Inc.’s (ENB-T40.85-0.05-0.12%) Northern Gateway pipeline is stirring opposition that could undermine its effort to streamline environmental approvals.

First nations groups in British Columbia are poised to launch legal challenges if the government intervenes in the ongoing National Energy Board review of the Gateway project through legislation now before the House of Commons.

And critics say the Conservative government is politicizing the entire review process by giving cabinet the power to overturn any future NEB ruling that blocks a resource development on environmental grounds.

The overhaul could in fact create more challenges for companies looking for certainty in the environmental review process as opponents seek redress from the courts or turn to civil disobedience, said Judy Tanguay, a former director-general for oil and gas at the Indian Affairs and Northern Development.

“It’s important that at the end of it – whether you agree with the decision or not – you feel it has been a legitimate process with an impartial hearing of your views and concerns,” Ms. Tanguay said.

She added that the government has tainted the review of the proposed Gateway pipeline, which would carry 500,000 barrels per day of oil sands bitumen to Kitimat, B.C., to be exported by supertanker to Asia.

“The whole process has been delegitimized. We know what the decision will be; [Prime Minister Stephen] Harper has made it clear that he desperately wants this project to proceed.”

The retired bureaucrat – who worked on the lengthy Mackenzie Gas Project – has written letters to federal Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver, Alberta Premier Alison Redford and industry associations, condemning the loss of independence for the National Energy Board, while acknowledging the need to streamline an often cumbersome process.

She noted that the NEB bases its decisions on a court-like hearing process in which all parties put their arguments on the public record, while the panel is forbidden from meeting privately with either project proponents or opponents.

“Decisions made by the board are therefore precisely the kind of decisions that should not be left to ‘elected officials,’ especially given this government’s promotion of oil sands development at any cost,” she said in the letter to Mr. Oliver.

The Natural Resources Minister argues that providing cabinet final authority over assessments yields more accountability, and is in keeping with the existing process under the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act. The government already has the power to reject a project that has been approved by the NEB.

“We believe that elected officials should make decision based on the national interest, not unelected bureaucrats,” Mr. Oliver said in an e-mailed statement. “Elected officials are the ones accountable to Canadians, and this legislation will ensure that Canadians clearly know who made a decision and why they made that decision.

Brenda Kenny, president of the Canadian Energy Pipelines Association, said the NEB will retain its authority to hold hearings, consult with first nations and impose conditions on pipeline permits. But she said it makes sense for the government to exercise the final authority in the public interest.

Several first nations groups are complaining that the federal government’s actions are short-changing their constitutional right to be consulted and accommodated on all projects impacting their traditional lands.

And they are ready to take their concerns to court, especially if the government carries through on its stated intention to impose new rules on the Gateway pipeline review, including the potential for cabinet to overturn any possible NEB rejection.

“They would get challenged very quickly if they tried to shorten up the Northern Gateway panel,” said Art Sterritt, executive director of Coastal First Nations, an umbrella group representing Indian communities on the B.C. coast.

He said aboriginal communities are already skeptical about the independence of the review panel, and the current legislation merely confirms their suspicions. The bill, part of the omnibus budget legislation, is being studied by a Commons committee and is expected to pass by summer.

Ottawa's environmental-review overhaul hits tough hurdles - The Globe and Mail
 
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petros

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First nations groups in British Columbia are poised to launch legal
challenges if the government intervenes in the ongoing National Energy Board
review of the Gateway project through legislation now before the House of
Commons
They have money for that do they?
 

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Tory Leader Says Clark Afraid to Defend Her Position on Northern Gateway

The B-C Conservative Party says Premier Christy Clark skipped yesterday's Western Premiers' meeting because she's afraid to answer questions over her lack of support for the Enbridge Northern Gateway project.

Conservative leader John Cummins says Clark should have been at the Edmonton meeting to make the case that B-C should get some of the royalties for having the proposed pipeline cross our province.

He says Clark's lack of support for Northern Gateway has the most potential to damage Canada's energy industry.

Clark has consistently refused to take a position on the Enbridge project, saying she's waiting until federal regulatory hearings on the proposal are complete. She skipped yesterday's meeting, saying she was too busy doing office estimates in the B-C legislature -- and sent Jobs Minister Pat Bell in her place.

CFTK-TV Terrace :: Tory Leader Says Clark Afraid to Defend Her Position on Northern Gateway :: Local News
 

petros

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It also means that the entire class will be highly disappointed.
Of course.

Tory Leader Says Clark Afraid to Defend Her Position on Northern Gateway

The B-C Conservative Party says Premier Christy Clark skipped yesterday's Western Premiers' meeting because she's afraid to answer questions over her lack of support for the Enbridge Northern Gateway project.

Conservative leader John Cummins says Clark should have been at the Edmonton meeting to make the case that B-C should get some of the royalties for having the proposed pipeline cross our province.

He says Clark's lack of support for Northern Gateway has the most potential to damage Canada's energy industry.

Clark has consistently refused to take a position on the Enbridge project, saying she's waiting until federal regulatory hearings on the proposal are complete. She skipped yesterday's meeting, saying she was too busy doing office estimates in the B-C legislature -- and sent Jobs Minister Pat Bell in her place.

CFTK-TV Terrace :: Tory Leader Says Clark Afraid to Defend Her Position on Northern Gateway :: Local News
Maybe she is too busy packing her bags to go to Bilderburg with Wall and Redford?
 

Kakato

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Dutch disease,the catch phrase of those not in the know.These pipelines are going through weather you like it or not,your not a player here,we are.

Too bad for you,bitch all u want,it's going to happen.


Canada is going to see an economic boom like never before but it wont be in the eastern provinces yet.Most of the easterners are working in Alberta.
 
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