Nelson Mandela Was A 'Terrorist'

JLM

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You have been there but you are not SA. You have stated that Nelson Mandela was a terrorist. That is your held belief. Now you must justify that held belief or consider changing your opinion. You must keep things black and white. You must examine the issue from a narrow view point or else...consider changing your opinion.

What is your definition of a terrorist?


I wouldn't argue whether he was a terrorist or not because if he was, he was the type of terrorist people like!
 

Sal

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Why must I? I know he was a terrorist, you MUST do your own homework.
I didn't mean you must justify it to me. I am saying once a conclusion has been drawn one either holds to that belief in a steadfast manner or one looks for further evidence with an open mind which could lead to a change in conclusion.

Now that you have reached your conclusion in this particular instance you appear to be only looking for further proof that you are right.

Most of the world does not agree with you but there are some of course who do.

Currently you are saying they were better off in a child like existence being taken care of and you are using their current existence as proof.

You do not want to examine the human condition or the morality of their prior condition.

What is a terrorist petros by your definition?
 

Sal

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I wouldn't argue whether he was a terrorist or not because if he was, he was the type of terrorist people like!
well and perhaps to some people he was a terrorist, there was much rioting in the States and innocents died, who was the terrorist there?
That is why I am interested in the definition of a terrorist by those who claim he was.
 

JLM

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well and perhaps to some people he was a terrorist, there was much rioting in the States and innocents died, who was the terrorist there?
That is why I am interested in the definition of a terrorist by those who claim he was.


I think the number who claim he was, is so infinitesimal that it isn't worth worrying about. In all history I doubt if there was one great man who wasn't denigrated by someone and often by many. People are afraid of people who they perceive as being mysterious or who they perceive as having too much power.
 

Kreskin

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If he was a white guy doing it to free the tea baggers he would be right up there by God.
 

Sal

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I think the number who claim he was, is so infinitesimal that it isn't worth worrying about. In all history I doubt if there was one great man who wasn't denigrated by someone and often by many. People are afraid of people who they perceive as being mysterious or who they perceive as having too much power.
there is no doubt that bad acts were committed under his command...and yet it was a war, so I don't get why he is a terrorist and others are labelled as great leaders in battle or of their country.

I am trying to understand if people who label him a terrorist see for instance Bush as a terrorist or battle leaders as terrorists or is this a selective label.
 

Kreskin

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for some there just isn't any way of getting past color. Mandela, Obama, King .. it doesn't matter what black guy you talk about or what their accomplishments. None of it is ever considered good in the eyes of those who can't see past skin color. Put the same set of accomplishments on a white guy and he's a freedom fighter or patriot.
 

JLM

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I am trying to understand if people who label him a terrorist see for instance Bush as a terrorist or battle leaders as terrorists or is this a selective label.


Yeah, it's one of these catch phrases that we heard used very seldom until 9/11 and then it caught on like wild fire! I think the important thing to consider is that regardless of how bad a person may have been in the past (the past can not be changed) when he's fulfilled his punishment and if he has reformed the past should be buried.
 

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Sal

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for some there just isn't any way of getting past color. Mandela, Obama, King .. it doesn't matter what black guy you talk about or what their accomplishments. None of it is ever considered good in the eyes of those who can't see past skin color. Put the same set of accomplishments on a white guy and he's a freedom fighter or patriot.
I don't get it. He was no saint, but neither would I Iabel him as a terrorist and in the end he displayed the power of growth and the ability of the human spirit to triumph. That alone can be celebrated.

*shrug* baffles me
 

Sal

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White terrorist, black terrorist, blue terrorist. What do they all have in common?
I am asking you what you define as a terrorist not what I define as a terrorist since that won't help your cause.