NDP sets up roadblocks to budget bill

[CDNBear]

I am beginning to wonder whether you are all there.

That's funny, I've known since you got pwnd repeatedly in the Oh Canada thread, that you most definitely aren't all there.

Chretien did not shut down the Commission of Enquiry. He could not. That was independent of Parliament.

You've already been proven wrong here, but don't let that stop your from embarrassing yourself.

I don't have time to give you the lesson in politics that you are badly in need of but I recommend that you read the article that you pretend to have read, again.

That's a relief, I wouldn't want to be as uneducated and misinformed as you on the subject.

Time Akkocation was used by Mulroney as often as Chretien. One very big difference was that Chretien used it as often with a minority government with the support for TA of opposition Parties.

Good, you're starting to admit you were wrong. It's about time.

You still cannot get it into your head that Harper has now imposed. Imposed, not introduced motions only, TA 18 times in this one year. Something unheard of.

Ya so? You're back to moral relevancy again.

And, if you try very hard, it may penetrate the lead shield around your head, that there are many things that enter deeper into TA. The most significant is at what stage it is used.

There is no hope that anything will penetrate the rock you call a head. Since your use of fallacy and moral relevancy is unending.

Harper uses it at First Reading. That means there is no debate on significant Bills. The others used it often at Second or Third reading. That means that there had been more or less full debate over the totality of the Bills but less on some contentious parts.

Moral relevancy. The Bills were ultimately imposed, oft without amendment.

Try a little harder.

Why? You only rate a half hearted effort.

Think and research before you post your one liners about profound matters.

You aren't a profound matter. A profound moron, but certainly nothing more.

 

[gerryh]

I am beginning to wonder whether you are all there. Chretien did not shut down the Commission of Enquiry. He could not. That was independent of Parliament.

This was without even trying hard to find. Mind you I remember the whole affair and do remember Chretien shutting down the inquiry despite what you claim.

"The commission had wanted more time to investigate not only the March 4 shootings and the torture death of Shidane Arone, but two other shootings in February and March of 1993. It also wanted six more months to interview top military and defence department officials and the military police. The government forced it to wrap up quickly, saying the inquiry had gone on long enough."

SOMALIA AFFAIR

So, you have now been show that you were mistaken when it comes to the Somalia affair. What say you?

 

[Cabbagesandking]

What I say is that I was correct in what I said. The Commission of Enquiry brought in its conclusions and appropriate action was taken. In the Afghan affair there was no Commission. Harper refused one. There was no Inquiry.

So why don't you stop being a "smartass." If there is a different way of quoting, then it should have been said without the supercilious and plain nasty commentary.

And I have posted links where necessary. If the Bear ignores them an keeps repeating the same nonsense I can't help you if you don't want to look deeper into it.

Also, I have referred to his links to show where he is wrong in his claims and understanding of Tome Allocation. The ability to do that and to reason through it is useful, don't you think? You should both try it.

 

[gerryh]

What I say is that I was correct in what I said. The Commission of Enquiry brought in its conclusions and appropriate action was taken. In the Afghan affair there was no Commission. Harper refused one. There was no Inquiry.

Alrighty then... ideologue it is.

 

[CDNBear]

Instead of being a smart ass....

That was overly generous.

When you're assertions are proven incorrect, then best to stand down and acknowledge or risk being shoved into the "self righteous ideologue" box to be ignored or only be brought out for fun time ridicule like eao et. al.

To late.

What I say is that I was correct in what I said.

The Commission of Enquiry brought in its conclusions and appropriate action was taken.

After the election, so Chretien could avoid having to answer to it, lol.

Harper refusing to establish an inquiry, after two MPCC commissions, during an ongoing conflict, is not unethical, or illegal, or unsurprising.

If there is a different way of quoting, then it should have been said without the supercilious and plain nasty commentary.

Seems those that you think are mentally challenged seem to have mastered it.

And I have posted links where necessary.

You inadvertantly posted one link to a LPC Op/Ed piece, when you plagiarized Aaron Wherry.

If the Bear ignores them an keeps repeating the same nonsense I can't help you if you don't want to look deeper into it.

Ignore? Them?

Also, I have referred to his links to show where he is wrong in his claims and understanding of Tome Allocation.

They aren't my claims, they are facts contained in an article that has collated data supported by footnotes, that you dismissed.

Compared to your single link to an Op/Ed piece at the LPC website.

The ability to do that and to reason through it is useful, don't you think?

I know it is. You should try it sometime.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

You are a lost cause. You just in the time honoured fashion of the obtuse, continue to post the same lies or errors. Hoping that sufficient repetition will make them believable.

 

[CDNBear]

You are a lost cause. You just in the time honoured fashion of the obtuse, continue to post the same lies or errors. Hoping that sufficient repetition will make them believable.

That's an excellent example of projection.

Unless of course you can quote all your links, and show that you are indeed, not a liar.

I have no doubt that won't be happening anytime soon.

 

[DaSleeper]

That's an excellent example of projection.

Unless of course you can quote all your links, and show that you are indeed, not a liar.

I have no doubt that won't be happening anytime soon.

Not only can't he dazzle us with brilliance....

His bullshyte wouldn't baffle a teenager:lol:

 

[Goober]

What I say is that I was correct in what I said. The Commission of Enquiry brought in its conclusions and appropriate action was taken. In the Afghan affair there was no Commission. Harper refused one. There was no Inquiry.

So why don't you stop being a "smartass." If there is a different way of quoting, then it should have been said without the supercilious and plain nasty commentary.

And I have posted links where necessary. If the Bear ignores them an keeps repeating the same nonsense I can't help you if you don't want to look deeper into it.

Also, I have referred to his links to show where he is wrong in his claims and understanding of Tome Allocation. The ability to do that and to reason through it is useful, don't you think? You should both try it.

It was shut down for Political reasons - also it was headed towards senior officers and it would not have been pretty for them - First time in Canadian history this has been done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia_Affair

On April 8, 1996, Boyle called a halt to all normal duties and announced the entire Canadian military would begin searching for documents relating to Somalia.[6]

The inquiry ran until 1997 when it was cut short by the government in the months before the 1997 election. The government was critical of the direction of the inquiry, noting that it was far exceeding its mandate.[23] Member of Parliament Art Eggleton - who went on to become Minister of National Defence after the 1997 election - suggested that the events had happened four years earlier, and it was time to "move on".[23]

Indeed, the conduct of the new government after the Somalia affair and the search for documents now absorbed much of the inquiry's attention, as reflected in its report. The inquiry had run long over its allotted timeframe and budget. The decision to end the inquiry received visible media attention and may have contributed to the defeat of the new Defence Minister Doug Young in the 1997 election. The inquiry was never able to examine top level governmental decision-making, nor did it actually examine the alleged events in Somalia.The final report of the inquiry was a striking attack on the procedures, support and leadership of the Canadian Forces and the Ministry of Defence. Many of the top officers in the Canadian Forces were excoriated, including three separate Chiefs of the Defence Staff. The CAR had been rushed into a war zone with inadequate preparation or legal support. Enquiry observer retired Brigadier-General Dan Loomis noted that the operation had changed, in December 1992, "from a peacekeeping operation, where arms are used only in self-defence, to one where arms could be used proactively to achieve politico-military objectives...In short the Canadian Forces were being put on active service and sent to war (as defined by Chapter 7 of the UN Charter)." Its deployment into "war" had never been debated in parliament and indeed the Canadian public had been led to believe by its government that the CAR was on a "peacekeeping" mission. After the events the leaders of the Canadian Forces had been far more concerned with self-preservation than in trying to find the truth. The inquiry report singled out Major-General Lewis MacKenzie as a major exception, as he took full responsibility for any errors he made.

 

[CDNBear]

What I say is that I was correct in what I said. The Commission of Enquiry brought in its conclusions and appropriate action was taken.

It was shut down for Political reasons - also it was headed towards senior officers and it would not have been pretty for them - First time in Canadian history this has been done.

Somalia Affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On April 8, 1996, Boyle called a halt to all normal duties and announced the entire Canadian military would begin searching for documents relating to Somalia.[6]

The inquiry ran until 1997 when it was cut short by the government in the months before the 1997 election. The government was critical of the direction of the inquiry, noting that it was far exceeding its mandate.[23] Member of Parliament Art Eggleton - who went on to become Minister of National Defence after the 1997 election - suggested that the events had happened four years earlier, and it was time to "move on".[23]

Indeed, the conduct of the new government after the Somalia affair and the search for documents now absorbed much of the inquiry's attention, as reflected in its report. The inquiry had run long over its allotted timeframe and budget. The decision to end the inquiry received visible media attention and may have contributed to the defeat of the new Defence Minister Doug Young in the 1997 election. The inquiry was never able to examine top level governmental decision-making, nor did it actually examine the alleged events in Somalia.The final report of the inquiry was a striking attack on the procedures, support and leadership of the Canadian Forces and the Ministry of Defence. Many of the top officers in the Canadian Forces were excoriated, including three separate Chiefs of the Defence Staff. The CAR had been rushed into a war zone with inadequate preparation or legal support. Enquiry observer retired Brigadier-General Dan Loomis noted that the operation had changed, in December 1992, "from a peacekeeping operation, where arms are used only in self-defence, to one where arms could be used proactively to achieve politico-military objectives...In short the Canadian Forces were being put on active service and sent to war (as defined by Chapter 7 of the UN Charter)." Its deployment into "war" had never been debated in parliament and indeed the Canadian public had been led to believe by its government that the CAR was on a "peacekeeping" mission. After the events the leaders of the Canadian Forces had been far more concerned with self-preservation than in trying to find the truth. The inquiry report singled out Major-General Lewis MacKenzie as a major exception, as he took full responsibility for any errors he made.

Oh oh!



Don't you get tired of getting pwnd and embarrassing yourself Cabbage?

 

[gerryh]

Oh oh!

I had already supplied him a link explaining how the inquiry came to an end....didn't make a difference. To put it bluntly, he's a fu ckin moron.

 

[DaSleeper]

I had already supplied him a link explaining how the inquiry came to an end....didn't make a difference. To put it bluntly, he's a fu ckin moron.

You do have a way with words

 

[Goober]

I had already supplied him a link explaining how the inquiry came to an end....didn't make a difference. To put it bluntly, he's a fu ckin moron.

My apologies Gerry - If I had known that I just would have bumped it up.

 

[JLM]

I had already supplied him a link explaining how the inquiry came to an end....didn't make a difference. To put it bluntly, he's a fu ckin moron.

Yep, I'd say that qualifies as fairly "blunt", with some more practise you could be real blunt! :lol:

 

[gerryh]

Yep, I'd say that qualifies as fairly "blunt", with some more practise you could be real blunt! :lol:

Would "willfully stupid" be more to your liking?

 

[JLM]

Would "willfully stupid" be more to your liking?

Possibly, although I'm not sure stupid people are "willfully" anything. :lol:

 

[gerryh]

Possibly, although I'm not sure stupid people are "willfully" anything. :lol:

When you point out their error and they ignore, that makes it willful and makes them stupid as they don't seem to be smart enough to recognize that fact. Willfully stupid.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

When you dig yourself into a hole, the wise thing to do is to stop digging. Is it that you like the cosy collectivity in that hole?

The Commission of Enquiry completed its investigation and presented its findings. It was jnot a Parliamentary committee. Chretien telling it to get on with the job and present its findings is not shutting it down. The Regiment was disbanded as a consequence of the Commission's report.

 

[petros]

When you dig yourself into a hole, the wise thing to do is to stop digging. Is it that you like the cosy collectivity in that hole?

can you describe your hole without describing the surroundings?

 

[gerryh]

When you dig yourself into a hole, the wise thing to do is to stop digging. Is it that you like the cosy collectivity in that hole?

The Commission of Enquiry completed its investigation and presented its findings. It was jnot a Parliamentary committee. Chretien telling it to get on with the job and present its findings is not shutting it down. The Regiment was disbanded as a consequence of the Commission's report.

Unbelievable. :roll: