NDP sets up roadblocks to budget bill

CDNBear

Custom Troll
Sep 24, 2006
43,839
207
63
Ontario
You're so right relic.

The gov't should break it down and push them through one by one. Which they can do.

It'll take longer, while other issues get pushed back.
 

CDNBear

Custom Troll
Sep 24, 2006
43,839
207
63
Ontario
Pushing it through one by one is the only way I'll accept a honeydo list too - otherwise I could end up agreeing to paint the garage pink without knowing it.
How long has it been on the table? It's only 400 some odd pages long.

If the opposition can't read 400 pages in a week, they're even more grossly overpaid than I thought.
 

lone wolf

Grossly Underrated
Nov 25, 2006
32,493
210
63
In the bush near Sudbury
How long has it been on the table? It's only 400 some odd pages long.

If the opposition can't read 400 pages in a week, they're even more grossly overpaid than I thought.
400 pages of legalese couched in gobbledeygook with a lot of stuff rolled into the mix that has nothing to do with NOT wasting money on investor pies in the sky

...and THAT's probably clearer than the bafflegab
 

Ron in Regina

"Voice of the West" Party
Apr 9, 2008
26,562
9,760
113
Regina, Saskatchewan
Pushing it through one by one is the only way I'll accept a honeydo list too - otherwise I could end up agreeing to paint the garage pink without knowing it.

I bought my house 8yrs ago & it had a pink garage door. I've been
planning on painting that a different color now for.....about 8yrs.

 

Niflmir

A modern nomad
Dec 18, 2006
3,460
58
48
Leiden, the Netherlands
Not voting is a vote for status quo. I prefer to get my name stroked off the elector's list and spoil the ballot ... seeing as how the Rhinos or Natural floating dudes don't run any more

As I see it, not voting is a vote of no confidence in the electoral system. Even a spoiled ballot is an endorsement of the electoral system, if you think the very method of selecting candidates is broken, why would you vote?

How long has it been on the table? It's only 400 some odd pages long.

If the opposition can't read 400 pages in a week, they're even more grossly overpaid than I thought.

I have a book here on general relativity that is less than 400 pages long. I am pretty sure it takes most people more than a year to fully understand everything in it. And general relativity isn't exactly known for having an impact on society.

The problem isn't that it takes a long time to read. It takes a long time to discuss problems and understand impacts.

Of course, given how the Conservatives handled the debates on the minimum sentencing, they are not likely to be swayed by majorities of experts pointing out that their bills will damage society.
 

CDNBear

Custom Troll
Sep 24, 2006
43,839
207
63
Ontario
400 pages of legalese couched in gobbledeygook with a lot of stuff rolled into the mix that has nothing to do with NOT wasting money on investor pies in the sky

...and THAT's probably clearer than the bafflegab
We aren't talking about one MP with reading glasses and a Plumbers ticket here.

The problem isn't that it takes a long time to read. It takes a long time to discuss problems and understand impacts.
And what about a majority, with the ability to ram through legislation doesn't do the same thing?

Of course, given how the Conservatives handled the debates on the minimum sentencing, they are not likely to be swayed by majorities of experts pointing out that their bills will damage society.
No doubt.
 

taxslave

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 25, 2008
36,362
4,340
113
Vancouver Island
As I see it, not voting is a vote of no confidence in the electoral system. Even a spoiled ballot is an endorsement of the electoral system, if you think the very method of selecting candidates is broken, why would you vote?



I have a book here on general relativity that is less than 400 pages long. I am pretty sure it takes most people more than a year to fully understand everything in it. And general relativity isn't exactly known for having an impact on society.

The problem isn't that it takes a long time to read. It takes a long time to discuss problems and understand impacts.

Of course, given how the Conservatives handled the debates on the minimum sentencing, they are not likely to be swayed by majorities of experts pointing out that their bills will damage society.

Explain how locking up criminals and keeping the streets safe will harm society.
 

CDNBear

Custom Troll
Sep 24, 2006
43,839
207
63
Ontario
Then why don't you explain it all to us ...
:roll:

... the folk this butterball bill is going to impact on
Ya, because I'm not in Canada and I'm not folk...

Explain how locking up criminals and keeping the streets safe will harm society.
That's a matter of perspective.

I'm not a huge fan of the crime bill legislation. It focuses on revenge and not rehab or diversion.
 

CDNBear

Custom Troll
Sep 24, 2006
43,839
207
63
Ontario
Typical: :roll:
That's exactly what I was thinking.

Do you know what's rolled into that bill or do you just blindly agree with steamroller government?
I have a fair idea thanks to the media.

I'm not sure where you got the idea I blindly agree with steamroller gov't. The Conservatives have merely proven they're no better than any past majority gov't. Just more efficient at it.

My position here is simply pointing out that there really is no difference between the present and the past. Nor do I see any chance that any future gov't will be any different.
 

CDNBear

Custom Troll
Sep 24, 2006
43,839
207
63
Ontario
Exactly why party politics doesn't work in government, union or gang
Dude you're preaching to the choir.

I know my local MP's and MPP's. They'll shake your hand and promise you the moon.

Then ignore your calls when the lump of moldy cheese shows up at your door.
 

CDNBear

Custom Troll
Sep 24, 2006
43,839
207
63
Ontario
Do you care what happens beyond your circle?
Personally, I really can't afford to.

I mean I wish I could, but I just don't have the time or money to do so.

I grew up in a commune setting I've witnessed how strong and wonderful that way of life can be.

But then again, that's still just a circle.
 

captain morgan

Hall of Fame Member
Mar 28, 2009
28,429
146
63
A Mouse Once Bit My Sister
I'm just a little curious here.. Why was there no pissing and moaning when the opposition 'demanded' that riders be incorporated into legislation when Harper had a minority? It's the exact same scenario of piling on more legislation onto one bill in order to pass the components that Harper wanted. The opposition didn't bend over backwards to explain it to society and hold their hands back then as some are demanding right now.

Why no out cry then but all of the chest thumping now ?
 

JLM

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 27, 2008
75,301
547
113
Vernon, B.C.
I'm just a little curious here.. Why was there no pissing and moaning when the opposition 'demanded' that riders be incorporated into legislation when Harper had a minority? It's the exact same scenario of piling on more legislation onto one bill in order to pass the components that Harper wanted. The opposition didn't bend over backwards to explain it to society and hold their hands back then as some are demanding right now.

Why no out cry then but all of the chest thumping now ?

Possibly they are a little more worried now? :lol: