NDP betrayed new voters...

[B00Mer]

NDP betrayed new voters...

I usually vote Liberal (in Canada), but in the last election and also after watching Layton on Lou Dobbs I decided to vote NDP, I like his message and vision.

If the NDP/Liberals formed a coalition and Michael Ignatieff was going to be PM, I would be 100% behind this, a "vote of no confidence."

The reason the NDP made gains in the last election was because Canadians dislike Dion, now they want to force this dumb bastard onto Canadians.

The NDP has betrayed those new voters and it will not be forgotten.

The NDP rushed into this and should have waited or have Layton as interim PM.
Christ anything is better than Dion... even Harper.

They just don't get it... THEY JUST DON'T GET IT!!! :angry3:

 

[Praxius]

Since I have only voted in two elections thus far and I voted both times for the NDP, I think I am a new voter in the sense and speaking for myself..... they did not betray me.

In my grand scheme of things, I saw it as the NDP being the best option, the Liberals second and the Bloc as third, even though they don't really count where I live..... which means the old Newfoundland saying still stands:

Anybody besides Harper or the Conservatives.

And no.... people didn't vote for Dion or Layton or Harper to be Prime Minister, we just voted to the guy we wanted to represent our community in the government..... the parties determine who the leader will be.

That's why the political ads claims "Vote NDP" "Vote Liberal" "Vote Conservatives" ~ Not "Vote Dion" or Layton or Harper...... they just come with the package.

Maybe it was a reason why some voted one way or another, but we do not make the decision on who becomes the Prime Minister.

If you want that kind of system, head to the US.

 

[Scott Free]

I for one am certain I will forget this betrayal.

New issues will arise complete with new platforms and I will be forced to decide between new lies.

Even if I remember this there is no chance it will influence how I vote next time.

 

[Stretch]

it's all about survival, guys, got phuk all to do with helping the people/country etc...the politicians have comitments, kids in school, morgage, they are governed by their wallets, nothing else!!
get used to it!

 

[Kreskin]

Tell your NDP MP to "just say no to separatist coalitions".

 

[Kreskin]

Times like these that I wish our MP was NDP, because I'd tell them what I think of them.

 

[In Between Man]

The NDP are a bunch of betrayers in my eye!

I can't believe I had a pleasant conversation with Layton when he was campaigning! I feel so violated.

I thank VanniFucci everyday for teaching me words like: unscrupulous.

Cuz that what the NDP are: unscrupulous. They turned their back on reforming marijuana laws,:color: when that was a well established platform point, and now their turning their back to Canada.

Their putting their struggle for power BEFORE trying to work together IN THE MOST CRITICAL TIME OF NEED! If there ever was a time for EVERYONE to put aside their petty politics and really concentrate on working TOGETHER (like we're suppose to)to SOLVE the current problems facing the nation today--its now.

Instead they focus their attention on keeping the Cons OUT of the influence of national direction. And that makes the NDP(and the Libs)back stabbers. Putting their interest before mine. (the politicians themselves, not the supporters, and certainly not any wonderful NDP CC Members)

 

[Stretch]

where's ya rifle, mate

 

[B00Mer]

where's ya rifle, mate

YouTube - Canada's Gun Registry Stats Are Hot Air

 

[scratch]

NDP betrayed new voters...

I usually vote Liberal (in Canada), but in the last election and also after watching Layton on Lou Dobbs I decided to vote NDP, I like his message and vision.

If the NDP/Liberals formed a coalition and Michael Ignatieff was going to be PM, I would be 100% behind this, a "vote of no confidence."

The reason the NDP made gains in the last election was because Canadians dislike Dion, now they want to force this dumb bastard onto Canadians.

The NDP has betrayed those new voters and it will not be forgotten.

The NDP rushed into this and should have waited or have Layton as interim PM.
Christ anything is better than Dion... even Harper.

They just don't get it... THEY JUST DON'T GET IT!!! :angry3:

With this coalition in the works, IMO, it's the right thing to do.
Although it's putting the GG into unchartered waters.

regs
scratch

 

[Vanni Fucci]

I thank VanniFucci everyday for teaching me words like: unscrupulous.

I have another word for you Alley...

Buggery...which is what the conservatives have practiced on us by putting this bull**** in play...

Their putting their struggle for power BEFORE trying to work together IN THE MOST CRITICAL TIME OF NEED! If there ever was a time for EVERYONE to put aside their petty politics and really concentrate on working TOGETHER (like we're suppose to)to SOLVE the current problems facing the nation today--its now.

And where was the conservative willingness to work together???

At this time of critical need, they decided to introduce terms in their fiscal update that NO opposition member could vote for...if a coalition had not been formed, the conservatives government would have fallen anyway after the first confidence vote...and we'd be back to the polls a few weeks after putting these jokers back in the House...

Instead they focus their attention on keeping the Cons OUT of the influence of national direction. And that makes the NDP(and the Libs)back stabbers. Putting their interest before mine. (the politicians themselves, not the supporters, and certainly not any wonderful NDP CC Members)

...and every move that Harper makes is to keep his stranglehold on the power that he no longer deserves...he had his chance to perform and failed...now we have a group that is committed to working together for the good of Canada, and we should give them that opportunity...

 

[scratch]

VF.

IMO, very well said.

rgs
scratch

 

[Praxius]

I see comments in regards to the parties just dealing with it all and to start working together.... We all want this to happen, no matter where you live in the country..... that's what this coalition is supposed to be about. The only one that seems to not want in this to work in this government is the Conservatives.

Everybody else wants to do their jobs as they always have in the past.... they can't do it with Harper's games, so this needs to be done.

If Harper is replaced with a new Conservative leader who would be more willing to work with the other parties, this wouldn't be an issue at all and there would be no need of a Coalition.

The confidence in the Government is lost on Harper, nobody else.... remove the problem and the problem is solved.

Until the Conservatives remove Harper or Harper resigns (Which he will never do) the Coalition is the only way..... as an election right now would still do nothing except divide this country even further because everybody is all worked up.

 

[Tyr]

The last thing Harper wants is an election. There would be a real possiblity that he might even lose his minority or at the very least see it shrink to under 100.

 

[Colpy]

The last thing Harper wants is an election. There would be a real possiblity that he might even lose his minority or at the very least see it shrink to under 100.

You know, Harper's update was just that, an update.....his economic strategies were cautious and prudent......the entire thing was completely unremarkable.....

Except he wanted to remove the subsidy for political parties, which would have cost the CPC more than anyone else......now, that was the right thing to do. There is no need for me to be paying off BQ members, I am quite capable of directing my money to the party I wish, I don't need the gov't to do it for me.

So, the Opposition, faced with loss of my money, went nuts, joined with the separatists, and set out to chuck out the CPC. If not for the Separatists, I would say unfortunate....but oh well. The BQ makes it beyond the Pale, completely unacceptable, IMHO.

But I digress.

What I see and hear is the left supporting the coalition.......all the NDP voters are ecstatic.....the Bloc will rise in Quebec, and the fault will lie with those morons, Layton and Dion.

I see Conservatives unmoving, disgusted at the mess, but still supportive of the CPC over the Dion/Layton/Duceppe deal.

But the Liberals.....

The Liberals were always a middle-of-the-road party.......centerist and very federalist........not necessarily leftist, indeed the Liberals were long the darling of Bay St........and the powerful Trudeau legacy is strongly anti-Separatist.....

I see Liberals from the right of the party drifting away, bound for the Conservatives.

Election tomorrow?

Conservative majority is my guess.

A slim one, but still a majority.

 

[Risus]

I see comments in regards to the parties just dealing with it all and to start working together.... We all want this to happen, no matter where you live in the country..... that's what this coalition is supposed to be about. The only one that seems to not want in this to work in this government is the Conservatives.

Everybody else wants to do their jobs as they always have in the past.... they can't do it with Harper's games, so this needs to be done.

If Harper is replaced with a new Conservative leader who would be more willing to work with the other parties, this wouldn't be an issue at all and there would be no need of a Coalition.

The confidence in the Government is lost on Harper, nobody else.... remove the problem and the problem is solved.

Until the Conservatives remove Harper or Harper resigns (Which he will never do) the Coalition is the only way..... as an election right now would still do nothing except divide this country even further because everybody is all worked up.

Just because you 'don't like' someone is no reason to try to remove him from power.... unless the NDP has a different way of conducting business than everyone else??...

 

[Praxius]

They probably will get a majority, considering I've given up on this damn government and it's corrupt processes, I see no reason to continue voting since it clearly does nothing, means nothing, is nothing.

Well two elections I voted in under my belt..... I guess that will do.

I guess I'll just sit by and watch the whole thing go down the crapper from the side lines and save my energy.

They say there's no point bitching and complaining about the government if you don't vote and get your voice heard, but considering my vote and my voice isn't being heard right now and probably never again so long Harper get's his way.... there's no point.

To be perfectly honest, I was actually getting interested in politics and thinking this democracy might start to finally work..... but with Harper's dumbass stunts..... with the Coalition not getting their sh*t together and the Gov. General destroying any little bit of faith I had left..... I am greatly disapointed in this whole democratic process and thus, I have given up on this country and it's identity as it currently stands.

Now I'm back to where I was in Grade 6..... hating this damn government and this country in it's inability to keep the government in check and doing its job.

 

[Praxius]

Just because you 'don't like' someone is no reason to try to remove him from power.... unless the NDP has a different way of conducting business than everyone else??...

There is a reason behind the hate and those reasons are why he should be removed.

I could say I hate someone because of the way they look or how they talk, but if they do their job right and good, then I have no issue with them doing their job...... if what I hate about them is how they conduct themselves or how bad they are at their job (or in Harper's case.... his continual back stabbing and flat out lying to the country) then that should be justification enough.

 

[Scott Free]

We don't elect leaders in Canada we elect a Parliament. Harper is a fascist pig.

 

[Zzarchov]

I voted NDP myself, though I must admit I nearly voted Conservative until it became clear there was no way Dion was winning.

Yes I dislike Dion that much.

Even still, I knew the goals of the parties going in and I knew a Liberal-NDP coalition (which may include the bloc) was possible.

I also expected a Conservative Bloc coalition in the same manner (ie the block supporting the Conservatives in non-confidence votes in the same way).

That Harper chose to change his stance on allying with the Bloc for political gain surprised me, and it has caused the very obvious problem that arises when one fails to control parliment.


This talk of "working with seperatists" irks me. They are the legitimate representatives of their ridings and they have every right to participate in government,

Be it working with Harper as in 2005 or working against Harper as they are now.

They are probably the only MP's living up to their mandate, to represent their constituents to the best of their ability.