National Day(s)of Reason in Canada

Scooby

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Liberation - Really.
One is based upon logic- hard, cold facts. Belief is based upon faith. Seeing the wonder of the world. Knowing that there is more to this life than just passing thru.
With so much unexplained over the centuries, you believe them all to be fables for the weak minded.

So it does not take more than below average intelligence to arrive, using logic that a Creator does not exist.

Wow - Atheists are not only incredible, but you are average of mind as well.
I did not say weak minded,nor did think it. I can easily concede that many intelligent people subscribe to faith. I just think they are wrong, with no animosity.
I would ask you concede that faith comes with some burden of mind, mostly feelings of guilt and hypocrisy, or so I'm told ��
 

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I did not say weak minded,nor did think it. I can easily concede that many intelligent people subscribe to faith. I just think they are wrong, with no animosity.
I would ask you concede that faith comes with some burden of mind, mostly feelings of guilt and hypocrisy, or so I'm told ��

There ya go again, assuming.
My faith is not a burden, my sense of wonder in what I see every day is a blessing.

I pose a question.
Have you ever had the time to watch a rock grow?
 

Scooby

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There ya go again, assuming.
My faith is not a burden, my sense of wonder in what I see every day is a blessing.

I pose a question.
Have you ever had the time to watch a rock grow?
Ok, now that is just silly.
Unless you are speaking metaphorically, rocks don't grow, so my answer is no, I have never had the time.
 

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Ok, now that is just silly.
Unless you are speaking metaphorically, rocks don't grow, so my answer is no, I have never had the time.

No it is not silly. But you need an open mind and more to see the rock grow.
 

Scooby

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No it is not silly. But you need an open mind and more to see the rock grow.
Well, if you can see the rock grow, then in your reality, the rock grows. How do "we" see the rock grow without distorting each other's perceptions of reality. A shared perception is not an identical one, only a hope.
 

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Well, if you can see the rock grow, then in your reality, the rock grows. How do "we" see the rock grow without distorting each other's perceptions of reality. A shared perception is not an identical one, only a hope.

Getting ready for supper now so I will have to explain my perspective on this later.
It will take more than a quick reply.
 

gerryh

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Getting ready for supper now so I will have to explain my perspective on this later.
It will take more than a quick reply.




He won't get it. Too closed minded. That is painfully obvious. Unfortunately, it is a trait I see with many "atheists".
 

darkbeaver

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Liberation - Really.
One is based upon logic- hard, cold facts. Belief is based upon faith. Seeing the wonder of the world. Knowing that there is more to this life than just passing thru.
With so much unexplained over the centuries, you believe them all to be fables for the weak minded.

So it does not take more than below average intelligence to arrive, using logic that a Creator does not exist.

Wow - Atheists are not only incredible, but you are average of mind as well.

The wonder of the world is a hard cold fact though.
 

Cliffy

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You can actually grow a crystal in a glass while you watch. So, yes, you can watch a rock grow.

There are two aspects to every human, one is the ego, which is actually a mental/emotional construct, and there is the conscious energy that animates the "dirt" that our bodies are made of. Practices like meditation aim to bypass the ego so we can get in tune with our true essense, because there is where we are connected to all of creation/universe, the Source of all knowing and wisdom. One does not need religion or a belief in divine beings to go there but most religions and spiritual paths have various methods of connecting to that universal knowledge. In that state, there is no separation, no duality. We are all one. There is no need to be right. There is only being.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Many atheists in Canada feel somewhat marginalized this time of year.
I don't know any, and I certainly don't feel that way myself. Its religious content doesn't mean anything to me, but we still celebrate it, always have and always will. Christmas here at Chateau Sinister is a gathering time, we have friends over for dinner on Christmas Eve, and sometimes Christmas Day for those who don't celebrate it at home, like our Jewish friends (they're culturally Jewish, not religiously Jewish) who also invite us to their Seders, the kids come home for a while, we all exchange small gifts as tokens of gratitude that we're part of each others' lives, raise a glass to each other and a hope for better times ahead for the world, stuff like that. It's always a good party.
Why not have Christmas Day also recognized as National Day of Reason for the atheists as a holiday in conjunction?
Because it's Christmas Day, that's why, one of the major Christian festivals and it means a lot to a lot of people. Atheists trying to co-opt it like that would just be shooting themselves in the foot. I'd say celebrate it any way you want, but don't try to go public and official with it, that'll never fly.

But if you want an important birthday to celebrate on December 25th--which on the evidence is not really Jesus' birthday anyway--consider Sir Isaac Newton, it's his birthday and he seems like a good choice to me. He was one of the first great scientists in the modern meaning of the term, but he also had one foot firmly in the world of magical thinking. He's the bridge between the old and the modern ways of understanding the world.
 

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To all my Atheist friends.



Merry Christmas.. get over it.

The christian lady next door to the atheist.

There was a Christian lady who lived next door to an atheist. Every day, when the lady prayed, the atheist guy could hear her. He thought to himself, "She sure is crazy, praying all the time like that. Doesn't she know there isn't a God?"

Many times while she was praying, he would go to her house and harass her, saying "Lady, why do you pray all the time? Don't you know there is no God?" But she kept on praying.
One day, she ran out of groceries. As usual, she was praying to the Lord explaining her situation and thanking Him for what He was gonna do. As usual, the atheist heard her praying and thought to himself, "Humph! I'll fix her."

He went to the grocery store, bought a whole bunch of groceries, took them to her house, dropped them off on the front porch, rang the door bell and then hid in the bushes to see what she would do. When she opened the door and saw the groceries, she began to praise the Lord with all her heart, jumping, singing and shouting everywhere! The atheist then jumped out of the bushes and told her, "You ol' crazy lady, God didn't buy you those groceries, I bought those groceries!"
At hearing this, she broke out and started running down the street, shouting and praising the Lord.

When he finally caught her, he asked what her problem was. She said, "I knew the Lord would provide me with some groceries, but I didn't know he was gonna make the devil pay for them!"
 

tay

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Christians celebrate the birth of Messiah on December 25th with absolutely no knowledge about its origin. Nor do they understand what is the original significance of December 25 among the heathen nations. Finally, Christians have no knowledge of why the Roman Catholic Church chose this day.

Most ancient and advanced nations, such as Babylon, Egypt, Persia, Greece, Roman and England, to name a few, believe December 25th was a solemn day and celebrated it. This celebration on December 25 was associated with the worship of the sun and the winter solstice.

The greatest mystery ever told that was not fully understood by the Gentiles is in the stars. King David wrote that the heavens declare the glory of Elohim (Psa. 19: 1-4). Before Israel’s prophets wrote it in the Old Testament, the heavens revealed the story of the Savior’s virgin birth, death, burial, and resurrection after 3 days (Matt. 12:40; 27:62-64; John 2:19-21).

Now all cultures have worshiped the sun universally, but nowhere was it more adored than in Egypt. In fact the king wore the solar disk with wings on it to show forth that he was the representative of the sun or god on earth. The purpose of this article is to explain the savior’s story in the heavens. But before discussing the significance of December 25, we must first discuss the worship of the sun.






They called this day the birth of the Sun because each day after December 25, the day light period got longer.

As the sun makes it journey in the heavens, it moves from the summer solstice, which is June 21, where it is at its highest point in the heaven to the winter solstice, which is December 21, where it is at the lowest point in the heavens in the northern hemisphere. This is one of the shortest daylight periods of the year and the longest nights. The ancient cultures saw the victory of the sun over darkness by the daylight period getting longer after December 25, which is why they call it the birth of the sun (son).

Maxwell Jordan in his book The Old Time Religion points out the significance of December 25 among the pagan culture. He writes that on December 22, one of the shortest days of the year, the night is longer than the day and as the sun moves south in the sky during winter, the Sun goes south in heaven reaching its lowest point. In the sky below the equator there are stars in the heavens forming a cross called the southern cross known as Southern Constellation. Mr. Maxwell points out that on the sundial the sun appears to stop moving for three days (December 22, 23, 24).


This correlates with the Saviour, Yahshua the Messiah’s being dead for three days and three nights.

The book Two Babylons by Rev. Alexander Hisolp shows the pagan belief in this day. “In Egypt, the son of lsis, the Egyptian title for the queen of heaven. was born at this very time, … about the time of the winter solstice. The very name by which Christmas is popularly known among ourselves- Yule-day §-proves at once its Pagan and Babylonian origin. Yule “ is the Chaldee name for an “infant” or “little child;” and as the 25th of December was called by our Pagan Anglo-Saxon ancestors, “Yule-day,” or the “ Child’s day,” and the night that preceded it, “ Mother-night,” long before they came in contact with Christianity, that sufficiently proves its real character.”

He goes on to say in his book: “Far and wide, in the realms of Paganism, was this birthday observed. This festival has been commonly believed to have only an astronomical character, referring simply to the completion of the sun’s yearly course, and the commencement of a new cycle. But there is indubitable evidence that the festival in question had a much higher reference than this that it commemorated not merely the figurative birthday of the sun in the renewal of its course, but the birth-day of the grand Deliverer.”

As was stated in the beginning of the article the pagan culture as sun worshippers were able to see that astronomically the winter solstice told the story of the Savior’s death and December 25 is the birth of the sun which they attached to their various gods or deities. Now this explains why the Roman Catholic Church attaches the Messiah’s birth to this day.


Two Babylons by Rev. Alexander Hisolp explains how Xmas became to be celebrated as the Messiah birthday. He writes: “How, then, did the Romish Church fix on December the 25th as Christmas-da? Why, thus: Long before the fourth century, and long before the Christian era itself, a festival was celebrated among the heathen, at that precise time of the year, in honour of the birth of the son of the Babylonian queen of heaven; and it may fairly be presumed that, in order to conciliate the heathen, and to swell the number of the nominal adherents of Christianity, the same festival was adopted by the Roman Church, giving it only the name of Christ. This tendency on the part of Christians to meet Paganism half-way was very early developed;”
 

darkbeaver

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You can actually grow a crystal in a glass while you watch. So, yes, you can watch a rock grow.

There are two aspects to every human, one is the ego, which is actually a mental/emotional construct, and there is the conscious energy that animates the "dirt" that our bodies are made of. Practices like meditation aim to bypass the ego so we can get in tune with our true essense, because there is where we are connected to all of creation/universe, the Source of all knowing and wisdom. One does not need religion or a belief in divine beings to go there but most religions and spiritual paths have various methods of connecting to that universal knowledge. In that state, there is no separation, no duality. We are all one. There is no need to be right. There is only being.

Very good but I have to open a debate about your continued reluctance to recognize the dualistic state of them humans.

1, without personal philosophy of life (religion) we have no internal guidance components necessary to maintain the proper ignition gap between matter and spirit which forms the matrix for an individual, the third state. We exist in the tension between two poles, we are the tension between two poles. Threeinone, hahaha.

7, The ego is our friend and no higher state can be even be envisioned without it, you are allowed a little smile of self satisfaction Let it pat your head but keep its hands from covering your eyes.

4,The first action ever was bifurcation of what was. The cleft in the metophorical rock. There is no going back to that undifferenciated state.

11, short lunch break for toasted tomatoe samich

2. no organized religion will ever fit the individual and in truth serve as obfuscation deterent obstical to self realization, philosophical flea markets, take what fits, discard the rest

9, only the one is the one the individual is a fraction, somewhat smaller, the same stuff but less salt, the prize is not reemersion in the stew but new duties hovering above the rim of the pot/cauldren relishing the vapours.

101, you can't get anywhere unless you're right with God.

Have I left anything out? It's all quite pointless words anyway because we have to feel our way through and around the dark.