National Child care, a reason to do away with provinces
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Your argument is nonsensical, Lena. I don't have kids, and I went to school in another province. Why do I pay school taxes? You can stay home with your kids. You can even home-school them. There is nothing stopping you. Don't expect the system to pay you for opting out of society though.
Note that nobody here said that those to stay home just don't want to work. You are trying to put words in our mouths. That doesn't work here.
Bullshit. Pure and simple bullshit.
Yes, and they had one at Easter Island too. The same problem...people thought their gods would save them. Our society is based on religions that came out of the Middle East though.
Yes, and they had one at Easter Island too. The same problem...people thought their gods would save them. Our society is based on religions that came out of the Middle East though.
I'm aware of Easter Island. I'm aware of where my religion comes from.
Our society is based in religion, so why do ppl get so uptight about wanting to teach that culture we have to our children in schools?
When I went to school we had religion class for 1 hour on each Wednesday; big deal. And that’s where I learned allot about the Old Testament and all those stories no one seems to know about anymore.
It’s culture. And besides as I said, Catholics I know who went to Catholic school turned out to be atheist/agnostic anyways, so its not as if they are brain washed into something they can't escape.
Have a good day all.
I'm aware of Easter Island. I'm aware of where my religion comes from.
Our society is based in religion, so why do ppl get so uptight about wanting to teach that culture we have to our children in schools?
When I went to school we had religion class for 1 hour on each Wednesday; big deal. And that’s where I learned allot about the Old Testament and all those stories no one seems to know about anymore.
It’s culture. And besides as I said, Catholics I know who went to Catholic school turned out to be atheist/agnostic anyways, so its not as if they are brain washed into something they can't escape.
Have a good day all.
Are you aware of the psychological effects that early indoctrination can have? Early indoctrination can shape attitudes long after a person leaves the church.
Teaching them about it is not a problem. Suggesting that they accept it or sit and listen to prayers to a god who is not their own is prejudicial and does not take the current reality of our country into account. It also weakens the separation between church and state.
That's where you were indoctrinated? In the public school system? Proves my point.
All of them? Funny, I know a lot of Catholics. Most of them stayed at least peripherally attached to the church. Of those that left, roughly 1/2 of them return in their mid to late thirties.
You too, JJ.
RB,
I'm just quoting Mike Duffy. He named at least 3 or four prominent Liberals you were dead set against the policy for exactly those reasons. Two of the names I remember are Sharon Carstairs and Sheila Copps. The PM and Lloyd Axworthy were behind the proposal but relented once the feminists started being vocal.
BTW, I believe the reason you pay school taxes is so that those children become upstanding citizens rather then little thiefs that break into your home. You will also need these children in your old age to take care of you.
I'm just quoting Mike Duffy. He named at least 3 or four prominent Liberals you were dead set against the policy for exactly those reasons. Two of the names I remember are Sharon Carstairs and Sheila Copps. The PM and Lloyd Axworthy were behind the proposal but relented once the feminists started being vocal.
BTW, I believe the reason you pay school taxes is so that those children become upstanding citizens rather then little thiefs that break into your home. You will also need these children in your old age to take care of you.
So? There are those in the Conservative who have voiced the opinion that women should remain barefoot and pregnant. Nobody here has voiced that opinion though, so nobody has brought it up.
I wouldn't put it that way because it implies that those who are under-educated cannot escape that trap. I have previously said that I believe that higher levels of education are good for society though.
Reverend Blair said:
I can't imagine we share to much in common on this front. We will bitch and argue with each other and Cosmo will have a bird, and it won't serve either of us.
Was it indoctrination? It's not as if they had us put to memory the book of Psalms or something. It was light, and I want my kids to have the same opportunity.
I had to think on this for a moment...No not all, there is a guy I know who is slightly older than me, who is still practicing.
I don't know a ton of Catholics, we Protestants don't have the opportunity to get to know to many Catholics as we go to different schools. The ones I know i met later in life, and I find their attitudes to be just one more reason to not raise children as Catholics. I'm sure these differences are for a different thread though, and i mean no offence to any Catholics out there.
Thanks Dear. Its Friday, me and beer are going to hang tight tonight. Your welcome to join us.
RB,
I think we can both agree that the chances of a person "succeeding" is proportional to their level of education.
As for the Liberal Child Care policy, you're now going to question Mike Duffy, a well respected political journalist who is well knowledged about the inner workings of all of the political parties.
He was simply stating facts that occured within the Liberal caucus some 10 years ago.
I think we can both agree that the chances of a person "succeeding" is proportional to their level of education.
As for the Liberal Child Care policy, you're now going to question Mike Duffy, a well respected political journalist who is well knowledged about the inner workings of all of the political parties.
He was simply stating facts that occured within the Liberal caucus some 10 years ago.
"I think we can both agree that the chances of a person "succeeding" is proportional to their level of education. "
Only because ppl who have educations can't see past a piece of paper, or the lack thereof. I know lots of good, smart, well read ppl who never went to university. They do manage however.
Only because ppl who have educations can't see past a piece of paper, or the lack thereof. I know lots of good, smart, well read ppl who never went to university. They do manage however.
Jay,
I don't believe I implied that a person that never went to university was doomed to fail, only that their chances of success increase as their level of education does.
Just as there are people with minimal education that succeed, there are people with PhD degrees from university that can't hold a job or have successful relationships with people.
I don't believe I implied that a person that never went to university was doomed to fail, only that their chances of success increase as their level of education does.
Just as there are people with minimal education that succeed, there are people with PhD degrees from university that can't hold a job or have successful relationships with people.
Yes. The implicit message is that it's normal to worship a god, preferably the Christian god, in our society. That is no longer the case.
I would love to see a course on world religions, including atheism and agnosticism, offered at the junior high or high school level so that people become aware of the various beliefs. That is far different than teaching Christianity in the public schools though.
Attitudes change a lot in ten years and you are listing people who are not sitting in the House of Commons.
University is a different issue, Jay. I think you'll agree that the higher the level of education achieved, the higher the chances of success though.
RB,
So the NDP would support a motion that instead of providing universal child care would give money to parents of children and let the parents decide if they want to use the money for outside childcare or use it to allow a parent to stay at home to raise their children???
So the NDP would support a motion that instead of providing universal child care would give money to parents of children and let the parents decide if they want to use the money for outside childcare or use it to allow a parent to stay at home to raise their children???
RE: National Child care,
Check their web-site, I don't represent the NDP.
I would not support that, however. The program is for the benefit of society as a whole. If someone wants to opt out of the program they can, but to expect to be paid for it is going too far.
Check their web-site, I don't represent the NDP.
I would not support that, however. The program is for the benefit of society as a whole. If someone wants to opt out of the program they can, but to expect to be paid for it is going too far.
The program is called Universal Daycare.
I was always taught that universal meant that everyone was included not a special group. Daycare is a program that ensures that children are properly supervised. Why should a parent be penalized because they feel that the best person to supervise their children is themselves??
Who says the parents are opting out of the program???? They are simply choosing a private daycare provider, themselves!
As for your comment about being paid to opt out of a program, could you then say the same for some of the social assistance recipients. They've chosen not to work and thus shouldn't be paid.
I was always taught that universal meant that everyone was included not a special group. Daycare is a program that ensures that children are properly supervised. Why should a parent be penalized because they feel that the best person to supervise their children is themselves??
Who says the parents are opting out of the program???? They are simply choosing a private daycare provider, themselves!
As for your comment about being paid to opt out of a program, could you then say the same for some of the social assistance recipients. They've chosen not to work and thus shouldn't be paid.
I dont believe any of this funding for day care.
When we had our kids my wife stayed home with them until they werein there teens.
Sure we had a tough time with money and could not afford a lot of luxury items our friends were getting.
We are now pensioners and I do not see why I should now pay taxes for day care.
It is tough for the single mothers out there but then make the fathers pay for there kids.A lot of them do not pay any thing .[/b]
When we had our kids my wife stayed home with them until they werein there teens.
Sure we had a tough time with money and could not afford a lot of luxury items our friends were getting.
We are now pensioners and I do not see why I should now pay taxes for day care.
It is tough for the single mothers out there but then make the fathers pay for there kids.A lot of them do not pay any thing .[/b]
Do you think seniors should having any kind of funding? Many of them only have 2 small pensions, some only have one. Do you think they should have subsidies of any kind.
RB,
Only by your interpretation are they "opting" out. From their perpspective, they are simply choosing a home daycare, their own home.
Could the same be said for "private" abortion clinics. Public hospitals perform abortions so why should people who opt not to use those facilities have their costs covered??
In this case, the woman want the money and the ability to choose who to give the money for their "service". The parents simply want the same choice.
Only by your interpretation are they "opting" out. From their perpspective, they are simply choosing a home daycare, their own home.
Could the same be said for "private" abortion clinics. Public hospitals perform abortions so why should people who opt not to use those facilities have their costs covered??
In this case, the woman want the money and the ability to choose who to give the money for their "service". The parents simply want the same choice.
RE: National Child care,
I see, and because I'm not using the health care system at the moment I shouldn't have my taxes go towards that; because I have no children I shouldn't have any taxes go towards education; because of my driving patterns my taxes should go only towards certain highways; because I live on the prairies my taxes shouldn't go towards maritime concerns; because I don't like war my taxes shouldn't go towards the military.
It doesn't work that way, tibear. We are a society. Every puts in, and everybody takes out.
I see, and because I'm not using the health care system at the moment I shouldn't have my taxes go towards that; because I have no children I shouldn't have any taxes go towards education; because of my driving patterns my taxes should go only towards certain highways; because I live on the prairies my taxes shouldn't go towards maritime concerns; because I don't like war my taxes shouldn't go towards the military.
It doesn't work that way, tibear. We are a society. Every puts in, and everybody takes out.
RB,
You've lost me on your path of thinking.
I was comparing parents choosing a home daycare instead of public daycare just as some woman choose private abortion clinics over public hospitals.
How did that jump to choosing what programs my tax dollars go towards???
You've lost me on your path of thinking.
I was comparing parents choosing a home daycare instead of public daycare just as some woman choose private abortion clinics over public hospitals.
How did that jump to choosing what programs my tax dollars go towards???