At what cost? The cost of doing away with the provinces. I'm a citizen of Ontario, before I'm a citizen of Canada.
It won't do away with the provinces though. That's just not accurate. It will be funded with federal money and they will set standards, and that is perfectly fair. If you don't want to participate as a province, then don't take the money. Opt out. Fund your own damned system. Ontario is just now getting around to moderninzing their education system so their kids finish high school at the same time as everybody else. Maybe you guys like being behind? Not my problem.
I'm a Canadian before I'm a Manitoban. Maybe that's because I've lived in four provinces, maybe it's because I've visited all of the provinces. I'm a Canadian first though.
What kind of a response is that to my statement?
It's the kind of response you get when you say that the provinces never meddle in federal business.
If I am then so is Stephan Dion as he said on CBC radio yesterday that Canada was a federation of provinces. And that is extremely close to saying a "union of states"
Ontario for all intents and proposes is a state. It is in another state called Canada.
Not even close. The relationship between the Canadian government and the provinces is far different than the relationship between the US government and the states.
You may talk about it, that’s fine, but do so with the understanding that these are provincial matters.
And this thread is named National Child care, a reason to do away with provinces.
It isn't going to do away with the provinces though, that's nothing but a scare tactic.
We are talking about day care. One mention of the feds getting involved in daycare, and you've got them running education in all of Canada, because some kids move around.
That's what I would like to see. I've told you exactly why too...because I moved from province to province when I was in school. It's a mess.
I did however ask my wife about kids who move around the country, and the problems they face. She says there aren’t any problems really; you just have to accommodate them, along with guidance.
Guidance which largely isn't there because of cuts that conservative governments have made. I was one of those kids that was "accomodated" by the way, back when the funding was there. It was wholly inadequate because the curriculums are so far apart.
As we all know I live in Ontario. I moved from one board of education to the other and found differences in education, by moving across a river, let alone the country.
Now multiply that difference by ten and consider that kids who move a long way are trying to adjust to a whole different culture as well.
Our kids, the radical right's that is, are educated, and then they go out and get jobs and fund socialist systems.
No, they are educated then they go out and participate in a society that benefits them through its social programs. That includes their education and their health care.
You see radical right wingers don't send their kids to your socialist schools so the left can preach their peace, love and all corporations are bad all day.
Your wife is a teacher, does she teach that? Bullshit.
We do it because after the end of the day we pay for those schools through high taxes, so we can't send our kids to the schools we want.
So you would prefer a system where the rich get educated and the poor don't. When the poor can't find jobs because of a lack of education you'll bitch that they are on welfare.
Schools are there to teach facts
They do teach facts. Things like evolution.
It’s about hearts and minds isn’t it?
If your accusations had any basis at all the NDP would be the right wing party in Canada. They aren't, so your accusations obviously have no basis at all.
And if these socialist schools are so great, why are so many kids failing and being given riddlen and such. Public schools suck, oh well. We learn to live with them. Education in Ontario goes to hell, while the teacher’s pays get larger and larger, and larger.
You can always tell your wife to take a paycut...you seem to feel she's making too much money.
You seem to think that everything occurs in a vacuum. Maybe the kids are failing because social programs have been brutalized for twenty years and it's having an effect. Maybe the cuts to drug research programs and the sales programs of pharmaceutical companies have turned doctors into pill-pushers. Maybe when the conservatives forced wage erosion to take place so that both parents had to work the kids would do better.
If I was complaining about someone taking my thirty cents you would have a point, but it isn't thirty cents is it Rev? No its way greater than that. It may have started out with thirty cents, but when you start to bleed someone to death it starts with a drop of blood and ends up with a bloodless corps.
You'll absolutely no pity from me. I was educated in another province, I have no kids, I pay school taxes. Is that fair? I think it is because it's good for Manitoba (and therefore me) to have an educated population. It's in my interest even though I get no direct benefit from it.
We need taxes. It’s a fact. Do we need to pay up and over 50% of our hard earned dollars to tax? NO
Until the debt (most of it incurred by the Conservative Mulroney government) is paid off, there should be no tax cuts. You benefitted from the money that debt represents, JJ. You went to school, likely university, the doctor etc. You look at taxes as some sort of cash and carry thing. Sorry, you're paying for things you benefitted from and the mismanagement of a government you presumably supported.
Yes one of us has gotten out from under the cloven hooves of the pig called socialism and looked around and realized its a farce, and it wasn't something they taught me in the socialist school system either, just like my rights weren’t taught to me there either, or politics or Canadian history…
You should take a look at government policy since the early eighties, JJ. It has been set very much by the corporate agenda. That's your boys, not mine.
Socialism: a political theory advocating state ownership of industry
2: an economic system based on state ownership of capital
Again, you are demonstrating a lack of understanding and knowledge of the Canadian left. Do you understand how a mixed economy works? Do you understand why crown corporations exist? If you do, you sure as hell don't show it.
I would love to learn more about this left, but I believe the above dictionary quotes sum it up.
I don't know how to tell you this JJ, but there's no Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, or Great Pumpkin.
Yes he did. He was also chewing poor tibear out over it. Not good.
The one personal attack I saw, I edited. Just like I would have if you made it or tibear made it.
I know what he says. I just was using your post to demonstrate something.
To demostrate what, that I talk back? Not exactly a secret.
That’s not my point Dear. My point is I believe you saw it and knew better; your just on vanni's side, and didn't step in to let him know the error of his ways. I think you like to see vanni chew out Tibear, and aren’t interested in vanni truths or his BS.
Hey, I didn't know when homosexuality was made legal. I really didn't care either. What do you want me to do, demand that everybody footnote each and every post then check their references. Should we dictate writing style and correct spelling errors and typos too?
Just going by the polls. I was this way went the cant was to the right too, if that's any consolation.
I'm arguing points of law, and who in Canadian politics concerns themselves with that, and if anyone does, their radicals.
Are you a lawyer...because there are a lot of other lawyers that do not agree with you.
I also haven't seen to many policies from the left that are palatable at the moment. I beg them to convince me though.
I dunno...Kyoto, gay marriage, expanding the armed forces to meet our UN obligations and enforce our sovereignty, shutting down any participation in BMD. Those are pretty damned good policies.
So do I. And I won't just take your stuff either. Taxation isn't charity though, and when those little kids come to the door I buy their cookies, and we support MADD and Diabetes etc.
I said nothing about charity, I said sharing. It's like when a community all gets together to build a town hall, or you call all your buddies over to help build a community rink. It builds unity and makes us all stronger and better.
I didn't know this. You could be right. I don't pay to much attention to Manitoba’s politics. I do know they tend to be more left though.
I am right. Harris was bloody awful, especially when Filmon was still in charge here.
No that’s not why I did that. I did it to mention how I feel about things. This thread demonstrated a good place to do it. People ramble off topic all the time around here.
Except you've done it in other threads. There's a pattern forming. I'm not a stickler for staying on topic, but it's been getting a little out of hand lately.
I actually didn't know you or peapod where moderators around here till very recently. If you wish to start a new thread, be my guest.
I'll leave it up to you. If you want to start a thread to complain about moderators, check with Andem first. I have no problem with it though.
You say you're new to the forum game. Let me point out to you that CBC, Telus, History, and Sympatico all shut down amid rumours that it was because of flame wars, personal attacks, and even physical threats. A few other sites have come close. I mentioned some of my own personal experiences on another thread.
Nobody wants this place to become nasty, so if it seems like we react oddly at times it is likely because we've been down that path before and don't want to go down it again.
Canadian content has now surpassed AOL in traffic 8) There might not be alot of people in the forum visiting..but there are sure lots of people reading this site...Andem has created a great website. :wav: