N.Y. cop not indicted in choke hold death

[captain morgan]

You throw tantrums? Why doesn't that surprise me....

Excellent retort for a 4 year old.

Keep up the good work

yes, both sides are

I don't understand what you mean here

in the States they are well aware that a huge part of their problem is the level of education and intelligence within their police force...also the break down of small community policing is a problem...if the cop knew the guy and the issues this would never have happened...if the twelve year old was your neighbour five streets over, no shots would have happened

we don't know each other any more...it is easy to vilify and display cruelty to another by assigning them to a different tribe with bad motives and intentions, it's like a throw back to a more brutal time

it's going to get worse, way worse, before it gets better

I'm not familiar with the under-education of the average cop... If that's the case, then that's the case, but I don't see the direct connect on their performance.

As for a cops direct connection with the community, that is likely not practical for jurisdictions with high populations... Further, the degree of criminal activity and violence is pretty steep (it seems). makes it less likely that the authorities would be prepared to risk their skin in situations that have the potential to end in some form of conflict

 

[JLM]

Hey two "green thumbs" from Blackleaf, that calls for a gallon of wine!

 

[petros]

I'm not familiar with the under-education of the average cop... If that's the case, then that's the case, but I don't see the direct connect on their performance.

As for a cops direct connection with the community, that is likely not practical for jurisdictions with high populations... Further, the degree of criminal activity and violence is pretty steep (it seems). makes it less likely that the authorities would be prepared to risk their skin in situations that have the potential to end in some form of conflict

If it was a big white guy who choked on his own fat would this story be different?

 

[captain morgan]

Story would be identical, excepting the race-baiting that is evident in this one

 

[Locutus]

can't count the number of 'Cops' episodes I've seen over the life of that series where idiots of all races claim they 'can't breathe' and are corrected on the spot by officers of all races

also, most of those ride-alongs allow you to see the good qualities, the skills in communication that these men and women have.

it's not a police state by any stretch no matter how squeaky the 'show me the money' wheels get.

still love to see the dogs chewin' on those 'stubborn' resisters and girlyman run-away types. :lol:

 

[lone wolf]

Excellent retort for a 4 year old.

Keep up the good work

Thank you. I was pretty sure there was a level of communication that would reach you

 

[Sal]

I don't understand what you mean here

regardless of whether you view the cop as justified or unjustified we did not have access to all of the information that the grand jury had

now it's over we should have

I'm not familiar with the under-education of the average cop... If that's the case, then that's the case, but I don't see the direct connect on their performance.

they have to complete high school (usually)

there has to be a direct connect on their performance as in all other jobs

It turns out that those who have cursed at a police officer for apparently not using his or her brain or said an officer was being “stupid” may not be as far off the mark as the American public might hope.
Although it’s not widely known, federal courts have ruled since 2000 that police departments can legally opt to not hire someone simply because he or she scores too high on an intelligence test. The millenium ruling followed a lawsuit filed in 1999 by Connecticut resident Robert Jordan, who was told by the New London Police Department that they only interview candidates who score 20 to 27 points on an intelligence test.
Jordan, a 48-year-old college graduate with a degree in literature, had scored 33 points when he took the Wonderlic Personnel Test in 1996, giving him an IQ of around 125. His score was well above the 21 to 22 points that officers score on average, which reflects a slightly above-average IQ of around 104. (Interestingly, the Wonderlic test recommends that insurance salespeople score at least 22 points and that police officers score at least 21 — meaning that at least according to the test, it requires more intelligence to sell insurance than to solve crimes.)


http://www.mintpressnews.com/can-someone-be-too-smart-to-be-a-cop/192106/

As for a cops direct connection with the community, that is likely not practical for jurisdictions with high populations...

correct it is not practical which is why they do all kinds of outreach in an effort to connect to the community they are policing

 

[captain morgan]

can't count the number of 'Cops' episodes I've seen over the life of that series where idiots of all races claim they 'can't breathe' and are corrected on the spot by officers of all races

also, most of those ride-alongs allow you to see the good qualities, the skills in communication that these men and women have.

it's not a police state by any stretch no matter how squeaky the 'show me the money' wheels get.

still love to see the dogs chewin' on those 'stubborn' resisters and girlyman run-away types. :lol:

Used to love watching 'drunk and shirtless'... Sometimes I'll catch a few minutes before HNIC.

Always good for a laugh

Thank you. I was pretty sure there was a level of communication that would reach you

Got beyond that years ago, coincidentally when I turned 5.... You should aspire to the same

 

[lone wolf]

Got beyond that years ago, coincidentally when I turned 5....

Then why do you keep regressing?

 

[captain morgan]

It's fun to fuel your tantrum.

 

[lone wolf]

It's fun to fuel your tantrum.

As much fun as it is to tease a fool?

 

[captain morgan]

Here's something for ya... Ought to get you yelling at the computer screen at very least

 

[Ron in Regina]

can't count the number of 'Cops' episodes I've seen over the life of that series where idiots of all races claim they 'can't breathe' and are corrected on the spot by officers of all races

also, most of those ride-alongs allow you to see the good qualities, the skills in communication that these men and women have.

it's not a police state by any stretch no matter how squeaky the 'show me the money' wheels get.

still love to see the dogs chewin' on those 'stubborn' resisters and girlyman run-away types. :lol:

A person speaks when they exhale, not inhale. Speaking, and being
able to replace that air into your lungs are two different things.

The "Cops" episodes are filmed. The Officiers know there are cameras present.
That's a good thing.

 

[taxslave]

I'm not attacking your position here at all, but as far as any medical issues go (high
blood pressure, asthma, obesity, herpes, whatever.....), is any of it relevant at all in
the choice of a victim if he happens to die due to their actions??? Choking someone
and all of the bodies piled onto his chest, ect..., with his head cranked over even if this
dude wasn't in his 40's, or obese, or had a heart condition, or had halitosis, or asthma,
or athletes foot, could very well have killed him. It's not like any of this was taken into
consideration when this incidence went down...making it irrelevant. Dudes heath, or lack
there of, is a non-issue in his death.

Personally, I believe if this dude was 5'2" and 100lbs and a woman, he'd be alive today
'cuz nobody earns any cred' in taking down a tiny woman with that kind'a force in a "look
at the hero I am in choking out this giant!" sort'a thing. It's the little-big man compensation
sort'a thing. Sad....pack of freaking heros....not.

My boy is a gentle giant in his own right, and has dealt with this malarkey, with much restraint,
most of his life....knowing that if he was involved....nobody would believe that he didn't start
things. I've seen it and it is truly sad in a 'compensating for a tiny *****' sort of way. Below is
a picture of my son at 15yrs of age (in the passenger's seat).

Man I hope he contributes to his feed bill.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Man I hope he contributes to his feed bill.

He's 27yrs old now, married to a nice girl from Utah. He pays his own
food bill now and has for many years. Weirdly, with my metabolism, I've
always (and still do) eat more than he does.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

I'm not attacking your position here at all, but as far as any medical issues go (high
blood pressure, asthma, obesity, herpes, whatever.....), is any of it relevant at all in
the choice of a victim if he happens to die due to their actions??? Choking someone
and all of the bodies piled onto his chest, ect..., with his head cranked over even if this
dude wasn't in his 40's, or obese, or had a heart condition, or had halitosis, or asthma,
or athletes foot, could very well have killed him. It's not like any of this was taken into
consideration when this incidence went down...making it irrelevant. Dudes heath, or lack
there of, is a non-issue in his death.

Personally, I believe if this dude was 5'2" and 100lbs and a woman, he'd be alive today
'cuz nobody earns any cred' in taking down a tiny woman with that kind'a force in a "look
at the hero I am in choking out this giant!" sort'a thing. It's the little-big man compensation
sort'a thing. Sad....pack of freaking heros....not.

My boy is a gentle giant in his own right, and has dealt with this malarkey, with much restraint,
most of his life....knowing that if he was involved....nobody would believe that he didn't start
things. I've seen it and it is truly sad in a 'compensating for a tiny *****' sort of way. Below is
a picture of my son at 15yrs of age (in the passenger's seat).

I think the conditions of the victim affects intent. If you choke somebody and they die because of a condition you were not aware of, there is still assault but no intent on the death. I think that would make it manslaughter or 3rd degree murder. Several more classifications of manslaughter but intent is required for 2nd or 1st degree (pre-meditation is of course 1st degree).

 

[Ron in Regina]

I think the conditions of the victim affects intent. If you choke somebody and they die because of a condition you were not aware of, there is still assault but no intent on the death. I think that would make it manslaughter or 3rd degree murder. Several more classifications of manslaughter but intent is required for 2nd or 1st degree (pre-meditation is of course 1st degree).

Good point. Doesn't change the fact that the victim is still dead though.
The Grand Jury in this case it sounds like was not given the choice
between Murder and any lesser charges. It was Murder or nothing.

 

[lone wolf]

I be thinking some lawyer's going to capitalize on the wrongful death

 

[Locutus]

A person speaks when they exhale, not inhale. Speaking, and being
able to replace that air into your lungs are two different things.

yeah, and I think the dude said it 11 times or some infamous number like that. so he wasn't being rear-naked choked-out or even strangled during that time...it was uncomfortable sure but he could breathe...and hey, would have been less uncomfortable ifn' he had submitted to being cuffed.

 

[WLDB]

Hey two "green thumbs" from Blackleaf, that calls for a gallon of wine!

Or a re-examination of your stance considering the source of the greenies.