Mountie resigns from Trudeau......speaks out.

[Serryah]

He swore to uphold the individual rights listed in the Charter, and Trudeau has done nothing but make a farce out of the Charter.

Your post was irrelevant, as it was not dealing with Charter rights.

That is why I didn't address it.

So you didn't read the links.

Figured.

Because both DO deal with the Charter. An example for you (since you don't like to read links)

2. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms in the Context of a Pandemic​

The declaration of an emergency at the provincial, territorial, or federal level in the context of a pandemic has important impacts on the human rights guaranteed under the Charter. For example, measures to prohibit gatherings in public spaces as well as in people’s homes could infringe on freedom of peaceful assembly, guaranteed by section 2(c). Freedom of religion, guaranteed by section 2(b), could also be affected by orders to cease religious services to prevent large gatherings of people.


Decisions to suspend non-essential international or interprovincial travel could conflict with mobility rights under section 6, mandated self-isolation and forcible quarantines could impinge upon guarantees to the right to liberty under section 7, and delays of court proceedings could violate the right to be tried within a reasonable time if charged with an offence under section 11(b).


Importantly, section 1 of the Charter states that these rights are “subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.” In addition, section 33 permits Parliament or a provincial legislature to declare that a piece of legislation may operate “notwithstanding” sections 2 or 7 to 15 of the Charter. Emergency measures in response to a pandemic that become subject to a Charter challenge could be defended on these bases.


His being selective about the information makes him - and you - look like fools.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

He did his own research.

Good riddance to him.

 

[Colpy]

So you didn't read the links.

Figured.

Because both DO deal with the Charter. An example for you (since you don't like to read links)

2. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms in the Context of a Pandemic​

The declaration of an emergency at the provincial, territorial, or federal level in the context of a pandemic has important impacts on the human rights guaranteed under the Charter. For example, measures to prohibit gatherings in public spaces as well as in people’s homes could infringe on freedom of peaceful assembly, guaranteed by section 2(c). Freedom of religion, guaranteed by section 2(b), could also be affected by orders to cease religious services to prevent large gatherings of people.


Decisions to suspend non-essential international or interprovincial travel could conflict with mobility rights under section 6, mandated self-isolation and forcible quarantines could impinge upon guarantees to the right to liberty under section 7, and delays of court proceedings could violate the right to be tried within a reasonable time if charged with an offence under section 11(b).


Importantly, section 1 of the Charter states that these rights are “subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.” In addition, section 33 permits Parliament or a provincial legislature to declare that a piece of legislation may operate “notwithstanding” sections 2 or 7 to 15 of the Charter. Emergency measures in response to a pandemic that become subject to a Charter challenge could be defended on these bases.


His being selective about the information makes him - and you - look like fools.

No.

This makes the Charter totally useless and a farce:

"Importantly, section 1 of the Charter states that these rights are “subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.” In addition, section 33 permits Parliament or a provincial legislature to declare that a piece of legislation may operate “notwithstanding” sections 2 or 7 to 15 of the Charter. Emergency measures in response to a pandemic that become subject to a Charter challenge could be defended on these bases."

Now, perhaps our RCMP buddy is an innocent, and does not understand that he has been screwed by two Trudeaus, but he still is acting on admirable principle, trying to defend the rights he thought he was sworn to defend. And good for him.

His biggest mistake was assuming we had a Charter of Rights.

Actually, it is a Charter of Privileges.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

So. . . he's defending rights. . . by quitting?

 

[pgs]

So. . . he's defending rights. . . by quitting?

Would you in your Air Force career carry out an order you felt was unlawful . Would you have participated in Mai Lai ? Just following orders .

 

[Serryah]

No.

This makes the Charter totally useless and a farce:

"Importantly, section 1 of the Charter states that these rights are “subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.” In addition, section 33 permits Parliament or a provincial legislature to declare that a piece of legislation may operate “notwithstanding” sections 2 or 7 to 15 of the Charter. Emergency measures in response to a pandemic that become subject to a Charter challenge could be defended on these bases."

Now, perhaps our RCMP buddy is an innocent, and does not understand that he has been screwed by two Trudeaus, but he still is acting on admirable principle, trying to defend the rights he thought he was sworn to defend. And good for him.

His biggest mistake was assuming we had a Charter of Rights.

Actually, it is a Charter of Privileges.

So... "I didn't read all the shit that goes WITH the charter that can exclude parts of it in certain situations for the benefit of all Canadians, so I'm gonna snowflake my ass outta my job and whine about it later."

That's what this officer is doing.

Look, if he doesn't like working for Trudeau, thinks he's an asshole, thinks he's turning Canada into a shithole, fine, he can join the "Fuck Trudeau" Club. But cherry picking shit to give an excuse of his leaving and passing that on to people who won't bother to look into what he's saying is as disingenuous as they come and it's likely good he's leaving. For a guy who professed to think the RCMP should know about the Charter and laws... he doesn't know as much as he thought.

Neither do you.

 

[Jinentonix]

*sigh*

Watched it...

Obviously this guy didn't read as much as he claimed.

Human Rights in Emergency Situations - HillNotes

In addition to obligations during peacetime, States have duties to respect and ensure human rights during wartime and national emergencies. In situations that represent a severe threat to a nation, however, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) – ratified by Canada –...

hillnotes.ca

Federal Authorities During Public Health Emergencies - HillNotes

Section 91 of the Constitution Act, 1867 sets out areas of jurisdiction exclusive to Parliament under which it may legislate in the event of public health emergencies. Among Parliament’s exclusive powers are those regarding quarantine, criminal law, and military and defense. The Constitution...

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And a non-violent protest in Ottawa constitutes an "emergency" does it? I had no idea there was a time limit on how long a protest can last. There's been absolutely zero credible threat of any kind to Parliament Hill or Herr Trudeau's cottage. Any attempt at painting this as anything like Jan.6 in DC is nothing but blown-up bullshit rhetoric and hyperbole.
Trudeau has shown once again, his utter contempt towards anyone who doesn't "hold his views". And since libel lawsuits seem to be all the rage with the Liberals, I think the protestors and the unvaccinated should file a class action suit against Trudeau for slandering all of them by calling them, "racists, misogynists, and White supremacists".
Basically, Trudeau manufactured the "emergency" long before the convoy reached Ottawa by labeling them as racial extremists. He gave himself a self-rationalized excuse to not even talk to them when they arrived in the city. He then furthered the "emergency" by coming up with some cock and bull story about him, his kid and Covid, making for a very conveniently timed reason to avoid any kind of pressure to talk to them when they arrived. He continued to attack them with baseless accusations and then, in a truly pathetic act of cowardice, instead of admitting he was wrong about smearing the convoy and at least trying to reach out to them, he doubled down and declared an "emergency". Dictator Rule #1. NEVER admit you were wrong.

Let's face it, the ONLY thing Trudeau is cares about is his tenuous grasp on power and that's a pretty weenie reason to declare an emergency.

As for the shit at the border crossings, THAT is where you could potentially declare an emergency.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Would you in your Air Force career carry out an order you felt was unlawful . Would you have participated in Mai Lai ? Just following orders .

The Air Force wasn't at My Lai.

And I don't know what the RCMP does, but the Air Force trained us extensively on the law of war. And firing on unarmed civilians is a war crime. Ya needed to have that down before they issued you a rifle.

We didn't have to do our own research.

I'm perfectly OK with Mountie-boy hanging it up. I don't believe they have a service commitment, do they?

 

[Hoof Hearted]

Soapboxers in general will usually have their motives questioned...no different here.

 

[Serryah]

The Air Force wasn't at My Lai.

And I don't know what the RCMP does, but the Air Force trained us extensively on the law of war. And firing on unarmed civilians is a war crime. Ya needed to have that down before they issued you a rifle.

We didn't have to do our own research.

I'm perfectly OK with Mountie-boy hanging it up. I don't believe they have a service commitment, do they?

I'm not sure, TBH. I don't think so.

 

[MyOpinion]

He swore to uphold the individual rights listed in the Charter, and Trudeau has done nothing but make a farce out of the Charter.

Your post was irrelevant, as it was not dealing with Charter rights.

That is why I didn't address it.

Very very wrong. Your post is more than irrelevant, it is completely false.

Here is the oaths they must swear;

"Oath of Allegiance: "Do you solemnly swear that you will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, her heirs and successors according to the law, so help you God?"

Oath of Office: "Do you solemnly swear that you will faithfully, diligently and impartially execute and perform the duties required of you as a member of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, and will well and truly obey and perform all lawful orders and instructions that you receive, without fear, favor or affection of or towards any person, so help you God?"

Oath of Secrecy: "Do you solemnly swear that you will keep absolutely secret all knowledge and information of which you may become possessed through your position with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police; that you will not, without due authority in that behalf, discuss with members of the Force, or any other person, either by word or by letter, any matter which may come to your notice through your employment with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, so help you God?""

 

[pgs]

The Air Force wasn't at My Lai.

And I don't know what the RCMP does, but the Air Force trained us extensively on the law of war. And firing on unarmed civilians is a war crime. Ya needed to have that down before they issued you a rifle.

We didn't have to do our own research.

I'm perfectly OK with Mountie-boy hanging it up. I don't believe they have a service commitment, do they?

I knew you were Air Force but couldn’t think of any atrocities to match except maybe Dresden but how were the pilots to know so I inserted Mai Lai into the mix to stress the point . As to service commitment I am sure it is there .

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I knew you were Air Force but couldn’t think of any atrocities to match except maybe Dresden but how were the pilots to know so I inserted Mai Lai into the mix to stress the point . As to service commitment I am sure it is there .

I like to think I would have refused orders at My Lai. But I won't say because I try not to make claims I can't back up.

Technically, it's not disobeying an order. It's obeying an order from a higher authority than the one giving the unlawful order. They made that point to us in training. If the captain says "Do it" and the colonel says "Don't," you don't. And under the Constitution, the treaties to which the United States is signatory out-rank any officer in the military, being "the supreme Law of the Land." U.S. Const., Art. V.

Oddly, the Geneva Conventions don't address strategic bombing (which kinda inevitably kills innocent civilians).

I don't know if there's a service commitment for the RCMP, but I don't know of any American police force that has one. You can pretty much hang it up whenever you like if you're not under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

 

[taxslave]

Admire? Admire what? This guy made a career choice as did many others. He probably already has a pension and is just walking away. Nurses and health care workers and front lime workers have quit too. He is no hero or example.
As for Ottawa police not doing what their leadership wants, well, fact is the leadership has not ordered them to do anything except give bylaw infraction tickets. You have to live in Ottawa to see the disruption and issues this right to protest has caused.People are out of work and cannot sleep due to the noise.
What freedoms have you actually lost. Think before just randomly and emotionally responding. There has been no breach of constitution or charter of rights. If you are so sure, name them. The rhetoric of charter rights is old and incorrect.
I understand frustration but, I do want to see the cooling of the heels of emotional responses and actions with facts.

Oh boo hoo. People in the rest of Canada are out of work and can't sleep because of the stress caused by a clueless quebeker that has no concept of personal rights and freedoms destroying their livelehoods.

 

[Johnnny]

"The vaccine party contends that anti-vaccination is wrong in itself, and the Government is a consolidated national democracy. We of the far right contend that not being vaccinated is right, and that this is a Confederate dominion of sovereign provinces"

Not Johnnny
2022

 

[taxslave]

So you didn't read the links.

Figured.

Because both DO deal with the Charter. An example for you (since you don't like to read links)

2. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms in the Context of a Pandemic​

The declaration of an emergency at the provincial, territorial, or federal level in the context of a pandemic has important impacts on the human rights guaranteed under the Charter. For example, measures to prohibit gatherings in public spaces as well as in people’s homes could infringe on freedom of peaceful assembly, guaranteed by section 2(c). Freedom of religion, guaranteed by section 2(b), could also be affected by orders to cease religious services to prevent large gatherings of people.


Decisions to suspend non-essential international or interprovincial travel could conflict with mobility rights under section 6, mandated self-isolation and forcible quarantines could impinge upon guarantees to the right to liberty under section 7, and delays of court proceedings could violate the right to be tried within a reasonable time if charged with an offence under section 11(b).


Importantly, section 1 of the Charter states that these rights are “subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.” In addition, section 33 permits Parliament or a provincial legislature to declare that a piece of legislation may operate “notwithstanding” sections 2 or 7 to 15 of the Charter. Emergency measures in response to a pandemic that become subject to a Charter challenge could be defended on these bases.


His being selective about the information makes him - and you - look like fools.

Wrong. First there was no need to declare a pandemic. The information used was false. That makes everything turdOWE and his bootlickers did illegal.

 

[taxslave]

So. . . he's defending rights. . . by quitting?

Defending his honour. Something a lawyer wouldn't understand.

 

[taxslave]

The Air Force wasn't at My Lai.

And I don't know what the RCMP does, but the Air Force trained us extensively on the law of war. And firing on unarmed civilians is a war crime. Ya needed to have that down before they issued you a rifle.

We didn't have to do our own research.

I'm perfectly OK with Mountie-boy hanging it up. I don't believe they have a service commitment, do they?

They do sign a contract, but I don't know all the ins and outs of it. Most contracts have some kind of an escape clause.

 

[pgs]

I like to think I would have refused orders at My Lai. But I won't say because I try not to make claims I can't back up.

Technically, it's not disobeying an order. It's obeying an order from a higher authority than the one giving the unlawful order. They made that point to us in training. If the captain says "Do it" and the colonel says "Don't," you don't. And under the Constitution, the treaties to which the United States is signatory out-rank any officer in the military, being "the supreme Law of the Land." U.S. Const., Art. V.

Oddly, the Geneva Conventions don't address strategic bombing (which kinda inevitably kills innocent civilians).

I don't know if there's a service commitment for the RCMP, but I don't know of any American police force that has one. You can pretty much hang it up whenever you like if you're not under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

The RCMP were commissioned as a quasi military command , but that was way back when .

 

[MyOpinion]

Oh boo hoo. People in the rest of Canada are out of work and can't sleep because of the stress caused by a clueless quebeker that has no concept of personal rights and freedoms destroying their livelehoods.

What are you talking about???
People in the rest of Canada are out of work because many choose to be as it is easier to collect CERB, or whatever it is called now, than work.
People here in Ottawa are out of work because of the protesters and that has nothing to do with the pandemic.
Don't know how you grew up, but I am maybe most of us were taiught you get nothing for free and you have to work for what you get and have and, you all start at the bottom and work your way up if you want to. Perhaps your rich family kept you form that reality.
So, no boo hoo for the people that are affected by the protesters for the past 3 weeks... no incomes, no money = no food and late on rent 0n top of their problems form the pandemic..