Mosque near Ground Zero

Machjo

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A memorial plaque or statue wouldn't raise an eyebrow. A 15 story mosque on the other hand...

So who are we to tell a Muslim who may have lost a friend or relative on 9/11 that he cannot build a mosque near ground zero since it might offend some Christian living in the Yukon who was comparatively unaffected by the event?

If a mosque cannot be built there, then a Target or KFC will somehow be more respectful of the people who died there?

Had it been a Church they were building, not an eyebrow would have been raised. But because they are Muslim, some would like to prevent them from honouring their family and friends equally.

A mosque is just as fitting a tribute as a Church or Synagogue. Why don't Christians pool their resources and build a Church near Ground Zero too?
 

Machjo

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That's true, but I just learned today...guess what they all have in common? Yup, Jihad. The militaristic expansionist kind, not the inner spiritual struggle kind.

There may be others, but the only exception I'm aware of are the Ahmadi's, who still teach expansionist Jihad but not through violence.

Sounds like your using Jihad as a synonym for proselytism. Christians do it too, and as long as it's not aggressive and that it's done in a respectful manner, I see nothing wrong with it.
 

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Christians and Jews are too busy pooling thier resources with intent on killing Muslims.


So who are we to tell a Muslim who may have lost a friend or relative on 9/11 that he cannot build a mosque near ground zero since it might offend some Christian living in the Yukon who was comparatively unaffected by the event?

If a mosque cannot be built there, then a Target or KFC will somehow be more respectful of the people who died there?

Had it been a Church they were building, not an eyebrow would have been raised. But because they are Muslim, some would like to prevent them from honouring their family and friends equally.

A mosque is just as fitting a tribute as a Church or Synagogue. Why don't Christians pool their resources and build a Church near Ground Zero too?
 

Machjo

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Christians and Jews are too busy pooling thier resources with intent on killing Muslims.

Ah, yes, of course. But not all Christian and Jews. More reasonly-minded Christians and Jews could pool their resources together to build a church and a Synagogue to honour those Christians and Jews who died in 9/11. Again, it would be a fitting tribute. They're just angry that Muslims thought of this first for the Muslim victims of 9/11.

By the way, this was a balanced report on this:


It points out not only that Muslims lost loved ones on 9/11 too, but that some of the non-Muslims who lost relatives on 9/11 support the Muslims in this. It would seem that YJ's just out to lunch.
 

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Sounds like your using Jihad as a synonym for proselytism. Christians do it too, and as long as it's not aggressive and that it's done in a respectful manner, I see nothing wrong with it.

Yeah, but we first have to take JTF's word that all Muslims practice this.

If it's in the Quran, so what? Do all Christians forbid women to speak in Church? It's in Corinthians. My Saudi neighbours drink beer. Is that permissible in the Quran?

This is just an attempt to pigeon hole all Muslims, which is clearly inadequate.
 

Machjo

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Perhaps we could tell these people that their family and friends cannot build a mosque near Ground Zero because we think they're terrorists:

 

Machjo

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And what about the family and friends of victims of 911, who later converted to Islam:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=anwn54d9fGc&feature=related

Clearly they saw no relationship between Islam and the terrorist attacks, otherwise they could never have adopted that Faith if they believed it was responsible for the death of loved ones.

If family and friends of victims of 911 can look past this, how is it that some guy in the Yukon was was relatively unaffected can't?
 

Downhome_Woman

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Christians and Jews are too busy pooling thier resources with intent on killing Muslims.
And it's too bad that many Muslims are still moaning about how they lost the crusades. Evil crusaders? Just trying to repel the advance and to take back what was stolen by the Muslim hordes.
Come to think about it, I don't see a lot of difference between Muslims and Christians.
 

Just the Facts

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So who are we to tell a Muslim who may have lost a friend or relative on 9/11 that he cannot build a mosque near ground zero since it might offend some Christian living in the Yukon who was comparatively unaffected by the event?

I don't think anyone is telling, they're asking politely, to have their sensitivities and feelings repected.


If a mosque cannot be built there, then a Target or KFC will somehow be more respectful of the people who died there?

Was Colonel Sanders one of the 9/11 pilots? Was the attack in the name of fried chicken?

Had it been a Church they were building, not an eyebrow would have been raised. But because they are Muslim, some would like to prevent them from honouring their family and friends equally.

And that would be just Islamophobic, right? Because Islam has nothing to do with the perpetration of the attacks.

A mosque is just as fitting a tribute as a Church or Synagogue. Why don't Christians pool their resources and build a Church near Ground Zero too?

No, it's not. If that's the case we should be building a Synagog in Mecca to honour the Jewish tribes of Nadir, Khaybar and Banu Qurayza. Muslims would be OK with that, right?

You can't just ignore the fact that 9/11 was an act of Jihad and pretend like Islam has nothing to do with it. Well, you can...it's a free country, but you'd be wrong.
 

Just the Facts

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Whatsa matter, can't show that all Muslims are engaged in militaristic jihad?

I thought so.

Watsa matter, can't type a simple query into google?

Edit: Just noticed your straw man. I didn't say all Muslims are engaged in militaristic Jihad. I said all Islamic Schools of Jurisprudence teach it, except for the Ahmadi's, who teach it but sans the violence, and possibly any others I may be unaware of.
 

Tonington

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Watsa matter, can't type a simple query into google?

Well, since you're blissfully unaware of how this works, let me explain.

When you make an assertion, it's not up to those who don't know of it to make your point for you.

I was simply asking you to give us the information that you had recently learned from.

If you can't provide evidence for what you say, I have no reason to believe what you say, even less reason to believe that you deal with "just the facts".

If I say that the poster Just the facts is a homophobic nazi sympathizing child molesting woman beater, it's not up to you to prove what I say is wrong. How would you prove that you are not?

Comprende?
 

Just the Facts

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Well, since you're blissfully unaware of how this works, let me explain.

When you make an assertion, it's not up to those who don't know of it to make your point for you.

I was simply asking you to give us the information that you had recently learned from.

If you can't provide evidence for what you say, I have no reason to believe what you say, even less reason to believe that you deal with "just the facts".

If I say that the poster Just the facts is a homophobic nazi sympathizing child molesting woman beater, it's not up to you to prove what I say is wrong. How would you prove that you are not?

Comprende?

Only problem is a simple google search wouldn't prove or disprove the assertion that Just the facts is a homophobic nazi sympathizing child molesting woman beater.

But if you insist on being spoon fed the most fundamental background information that an average person would be embarrased to make a comment on a topic without, then here you go:

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=...=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=d3acff40240ce9cd
 

Machjo

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I don't think anyone is telling, they're asking politely, to have their sensitivities and feelings repected. [/quote

And what about the sensitivities and feelings of the friends and family members of these guys:


Shouldn't their sensitivities and feelings count for more than those of people who did not even lose a family member to 911? How ass-backwards is this, that those who lost family members and friends on 911 have to respect the sensitivities and feelings of those who didn't? Do you think before you type?

Was Colonel Sanders one of the 9/11 pilots? Was the attack in the name of fried chicken?

No, but I'm sure that a mosque would be a much more fitting tribute than a KFC for the friedns and family members of those Muslims who died on 911, don't you think? Why should they not be free to honour their relatives as they wish, and to hell with some unaffected Yukoner who might be offended.

And that would be just Islamophobic, right? Because Islam has nothing to do with the perpetration of the attacks.

According to these two ladies, both of whom had lost family members on 911 and who subsequently converted to Islam:


I'd think they have more of a say than you or I about how best to respect their relatives, and I doubt very much they'd be offended at a mosque near ground zero. And if it offends those of us who did not lose any relatives, well then to hell with us. We're not the ones who lost relatives on that day, and so it's not up to us to dictate how they can commemorate their loved ones.

No, it's not. If that's the case we should be building a Synagog in Mecca to honour the Jewish tribes of Nadir, Khaybar and Banu Qurayza. Muslims would be OK with that, right?

What does this have to do with Muslims who lost loved ones on 911?

You can't just ignore the fact that 9/11 was an act of Jihad and pretend like Islam has nothing to do with it. Well, you can...it's a free country, but you'd be wrong.

Say that to them:


Clearly they've had the fortitude to rise above the loss of loved ones an still not turn to hate. How can those of us who did not lose anyone on 911 have lost our minds so easily?