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lone wolf

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Christianity is right for they who choose to accept it - just as Buddhism is the choice of another or Islam is right for someone else. None of them are proven as fact so how can any religion be truth beyond they who choose to believe? If you're going to preach freedom, you'd better be able to practice it.

That's true, but does it really mean anything? Clifford Olsen was on this earth before me too. Should I give him any validity to his deranged thinking?

Olsen is a deviation in anyone's books. Validate him all you want.
 

Skatchie

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I'm of the opinion that all organized religion is for imbeciles but I tolerate it anyways even though that goes against my good judgment.
 

In Between Man

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Christianity is right for they who choose to accept it - just as Buddhism is the choice of another or Islam is right for someone else.

That's one of the biggest lies that the enemy want you to believe. Jesus Christ died for the sinned of the ENTIRE WORLD. He didn't die for me, or Peter, or Billy Graham. He died for you, me, Peter, Richard Dawkins...etc. Christ is the saviour of the WORLD, not just for those who accept him.

None of them are proven as fact so how can any religion be truth beyond they who choose to believe?
Because there is ONE truth and everything in philosophy tells us that truth is knowable. Either God exists or he doesn't. There is no in between answer. Lone_wolf woke up this morning. If you choose not to believe this statement does it actually make it not true? Of course not. Lone_wolf woke up this morning and that's true regardless of what people choose to believe or feel about it.

If you're going to preach freedom, you'd better be able to practice it.
Well of course! Freedom is God given. Just remember to make the distinction between tolerance and validity. I tolerate hare krishna's passing out pamphlets, I tolerate Richard Dawkins books at Chapters, I tolerate a (reasonable sized) buddhist temple. Hold as valid? No! Because none of those thing are true!

It works both ways, you tolerate people in your community having a church, you tolerate street preachers, you tolerate beliefs that are foreign to you. Do you think Christianity is valid? Do you?

Tolerate - Yes. Hold valid - that's up to you. But remember that there is a truth, and that truth is knowable.

In the wise words of Mulder, "the truth is out there..." Right Wolfie!?! :lol:
 
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lone wolf

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What enemy? If your mind and heart are chained to a Bible, I suggest you have a problem.

Let's SEE the proof. I have beliefs. Are you big enough to tell me they're not MY truth? Your tolerance seems to be lacking. Wasn't one of Christ's teachings acceptance?

BTW: Jesus Christ died as the result of persecution for daring to be different in the face of too-rigid dogma of the day. Perhaps there be a truth you've chosen to ignore.
 
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Those things serve EVERYONE!!! A buddhist temple does nothing for a person like me. Its a waste of space! A HUGE waste of space!

Now, if I read the proposal right, they are not building a new temple, but in fact, expanding the existing temple. Have you ever been to that temple? Do you realize that access is NOT restricted to adherents? That access is available to all and all they ask is a donation from visitors. I'll repeat that, they ASK for DONATIONS. Take a look.

International Buddhist Society :: Inspire Your Mind and Spirit


I asked you a question earlier, I would appreciate an answer.
 

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If I think Christianity is truth and buddhism isn't, would I really consider church as a "waste of space"? Obviously not. And that goes for ANYONE'S opinion. If you think atheism is true, would you consider anything written by Richard Dawkins as a "waste of paper"?

Of course not.

So what do we do about those that are living a false religion. Forced conversions, 2nd class citizens, amend the Charter to state that Christianity is the only religion and as such become the Religion of the State.

Then consider all the splinter groups within Christianity. Yup - Gonna start on them after we finish with those others.
Dos not Christianity teach tolerance and love for their fellow man?
As it does that are you then not adhering to the tenets as taught by Jesus? So if you ignore that, then what other parts of his teaching will you ignore?
 

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Discussion is never worthless because hearts and minds can be changed.

Hearts and minds can't be changed through irrational obstinacy. You won't convince anyone of your false religion argument who doesn't accept your true religion argument. Which is why your argument is worthless and why you need to start proving the true religion before you can start with it.

As for proving my premise, I don't have to prove anything because the evidence it right there in front of you. Besides, who here has ever proven their premise about God or religion? No one.

You don't have to prove it because the evidence is front of me but no one has ever been able to prove it?
 

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Those things serve EVERYONE!!! A buddhist temple does nothing for a person like me. Its a waste of space! A HUGE waste of space!
Well... given Canada's size and average non-arability, what space is it "wasting" if it's built on non-arable land?
What does it have to do with this thread? Well, Buddhists don't come from Bountiful, BC...
Bountiful BC, home of the Canadian branch of the FLDS church... the splinter group of Mormons who chose to maintain plural marriage after the Salt Lake church told members to put it on hold.

So... you're telling us that in Bountiful BC, polygamists are being overwhelmed by Buddhists moving in to build temples on your arable land.

Speaking of temples... how's construction on the FLDS Temple going? Is it finished yet?
 

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How can you justify professional sports facilities? Olympic Games? Shopping Malls? Parking lots? GOlf courses? Parks?

Well said. To put the temple in proper perspective it would be about the size of a large Walmart and much smaller than many European cathedrals.
 
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Try telling that to people who used to live in Richmond. People saw their homes increase 5, 10 and 20 times in value between 1990 and 2000 and that meant families living paycheque to paycheque could not afford the massive hike in property taxes. Sure, people got some money out of it but they were still forced to leave Richmond! Unless, you really think declaring bankruptcy is a "choice".

It sure has improved Canada a whole lot - Richmond is a great place to buy dope, crack and eat a Peking Duck and get a handjob all in the same afternoon...

Your blaming the Chinese for bringing up the property values and standard of living :roll:. Right accuse those same people for the crime Richmond is having, more likely the crime is growing because those poor you mentioned need other sources of income.
 

In Between Man

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And you decide that all religions other than yours are false, so then freedom of religion is out the window???

If I claim certain religions and philosophies are false does anyone listen? Does anyone care? No! So how does that threaten freedom of religion in the least? And by the way, freedom is God given. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. Endowed by the CREATOR with certain inalienable rights.".

Oh really... so you've been talking to God and He told you which religion is "true"?

Did He also tell you which denomination of that religion?

In any case, Buddhism is more a philosophy than a religion. In many respects it's like calling the headquarters of the Fraser Institute a church to the religion of Plutocracy.

In regards to your first statement, you would have to agree with the fact that truth is absolute, if you want to dig deeper into that one. Absolute truth means either God exists or he doesn't, regardless of any persons' feelings or thoughts on the subject.

As for denominations, the reason why have them is because people are so fallible that they squabble over minor issues. Presbyterian, Baptist, Anglican, they all believe the critical gospel required for salvation. In reality, you'll see that Christians are getting further from this and more into the non-denominational, evangelical area. Look at how Christianity is sweeping Asia and Africa right now, they aren't exactly building catholic churches - just churches. Simple structures where its more about the fellowship.

Basically we denominations because we don't have the perfect church here on Earth. The perfect church is in heaven.

Finally, you can call buddhism all you want. Its just another deceptive face of unbelief, one of millions of paths to a grim destiny.

Can't argue with that. Except the part about Richard Dawkins.

But what you can do is point out that because you hold this opinion, your contributions to this discussion are worthless without you proving your premise.

"Because you hold this opinion..." You trying to tell me that I'm some sort of second class citizen?!?!? Is my opinion not equal to yours?

Christianity is right for they who choose to accept it - just as Buddhism is the choice of another or Islam is right for someone else. None of them are proven as fact so how can any religion be truth beyond they who choose to believe? If you're going to preach freedom, you'd better be able to practice it.

So let me get this straight, if Christianity is right for me, I will be with Jesus in heaven one day. And if Islam is right for Mohammad, he will be with Allah in heaven one day. And if Buddism is right for Bob...

That makes no sense whatsoever. The evidence of Christianity far outweighs this man-made concoction that you didn't invent, its been around. C'mon lone_wolf! Think about it, God, who created the universe, isn't going to share the spotlight with mortal Buddha! What kind of a God would that be?

What enemy? If your mind and heart are chained to a Bible, I suggest you have a problem.

Let's SEE the proof. I have beliefs. Are you big enough to tell me they're not MY truth? Your tolerance seems to be lacking. Wasn't one of Christ's teachings acceptance?

BTW: Jesus Christ died as the result of persecution for daring to be different in the face of too-rigid dogma of the day. Perhaps there be a truth you've chosen to ignore.

I can't SHOW you the proof, you have to look to GOD for the proof! Seek and you'll find brother!

There is no MY truth or YOUR truth. There's just truth. As for acceptance, I accept brother! Let me tell you, I interact and am friends with people of all different stripes. It's all good! I accept people who don't believe because I got Christ's message above love, not being offended, forgiveness, understanding, helping, friendliness. Besides, its not up to me. What you believe is between God and you, not you and me.

BTW: Jesus died as result of doing the will of his Father in heaven. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. (John 6:40)

I see, so if it was a Christian Church, then it would be OK. Or do you have restrictions on that also? Only certain Christian denominations perhaps?

I just saw your last post and how to scroll back to find this question, sorry bout dat. A 200,000 square foot Christian church would probably be excessive I would say. Especially since I think its time the Church move into the streets. Public parks and Starbucks, places like that. But obviously if they did want a 200,000 square foot church, I wouldn't be the first to protest.;-)

Now, if I read the proposal right, they are not building a new temple, but in fact, expanding the existing temple. Have you ever been to that temple? Do you realize that access is NOT restricted to adherents? That access is available to all and all they ask is a donation from visitors. I'll repeat that, they ASK for DONATIONS.

I'm not giving money to support buddhism! Do they give back to the community? At least churches help the poor. And don't tell me that buddhist do help the poor because I know for a fact they don't do it ON THE SCALE that Christian churches do.

So what do we do about those that are living a false religion. Forced conversions, 2nd class citizens, amend the Charter to state that Christianity is the only religion and as such become the Religion of the State.

Then consider all the splinter groups within Christianity. Yup - Gonna start on them after we finish with those others.
Dos not Christianity teach tolerance and love for their fellow man?
As it does that are you then not adhering to the tenets as taught by Jesus? So if you ignore that, then what other parts of his teaching will you ignore?

C'mon man! Do you hear saying those things? As I told Lone_wolf, what you believe is between God and you, not you and me, so don't label me as sort of crusader out to cut heathen's heads off. Worship a rock if you want to!

Christianity teaches tolerance. TOLERANCE. Tolerance doesn't mean VALIDITY. It's doesn't say what's right for a man is right for a man. It doesn't say that!

BTW: What part of Jesus' teaching ARE YOU ignoring? Salvation perhaps?!

Hearts and minds can't be changed through irrational obstinacy. You won't convince anyone of your false religion argument who doesn't accept your true religion argument. Which is why your argument is worthless and why you need to start proving the true religion before you can start with it.

You don't have to prove it because the evidence is front of me but no one has ever been able to prove it?

You can't demand proof from a person! I would have to be Jesus Christ himself to do that. Therefore, demand proof from Jesus himself. Dig deeper into what he claims and challenge what he says.

Since your all gonna reply at the same time, and I can't hold 8 conversations at once, I'll just save the fight for another day. Geez! The conversation alwayz comes back to religion with you guys! :lol:;-)
 

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]If I claim certain religions and philosophies are false does anyone listen? Does anyone care? No! So how does that threaten freedom of religion in the least? And by the way, freedom is God given. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. Endowed by the CREATOR with certain inalienable rights.".
Point - It promotes intolerance, no other way of looking at it.

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"Because you hold this opinion..." You trying to tell me that I'm some sort of second class citizen?!?!? Is my opinion not equal to yours?
Point - Depends upon the opinion does it not?

So let me get this straight, if Christianity is right for me, I will be with Jesus in heaven one day. And if Islam is right for Mohammad, he will be with Allah in heaven one day. And if Buddism is right for Bob...
Point - As to you being in heaven - you do not make the fianl decision. God does.




BTW: Jesus died as result of doing the will of his Father in heaven. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. (John 6:40)

Point - Only if that belief and the practicing of it comes from the heart and is truly and honestly meant as such.



Christianity teaches tolerance. TOLERANCE. Tolerance doesn't mean VALIDITY. It's doesn't say what's right for a man is right for a man. It doesn't say that!
You did not epress tolerance -

BTW: What part of Jesus' teaching ARE YOU ignoring? Salvation perhaps?!

Point - i do not ignore the teachings of Jesus.

You can't demand proof from a person! I would have to be Jesus Christ himself to do that. Therefore, demand proof from Jesus himself. Dig deeper into what he claims and challenge what he says.

Since your all gonna reply at the same time, and I can't hold 8 conversations at once, I'll just save the fight for another day. Geez! The conversation alwayz comes back to religion with you guys! :lol:;-)[/QUOTE]


Lastly - You came acorss as intolerant then you come across as tolerant - Which is it.

Laslty - God did not give man Freedom, and usin gthe US Constituition is well not on as they say.
God gave man Free Will.
Their is a vast difference

I am trying to use quotes and hope i do not mess it up,

Messed up on the quotes - i give up on that. Guess it is to complicated for a simple fellow like myself. Spell check sucked so sorry about that.
 

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"Because you hold this opinion..." You trying to tell me that I'm some sort of second class citizen?!?!? Is my opinion not equal to yours?

No, it's not. You believe that a Buddhist temple should not be built because of a belief you hold that cannot be proven, and therefore your opinion has no logical foundation. Other opinions, on the other hand, have nothing to do with religious truth or anything else human beings (according to you) cannot explain. Other opinions could have logical foundations. Your premise is not only unproven, but impossible to prove or disprove (aka non-falsifiable), which makes it not just of little value but the least valuable an opinion could possibly be.

As a Canadian citizen you have the freedom of your opinion and the freedom to express it. Saying that your opinion is worthless has no effect on these rights and does not affect you in any way as a citizen.
 
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Goober

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No, it's not. You believe that a Buddhist temple should not be built because of a belief you hold that cannot be proven, and therefore your opinion has no logical foundation. Other opinions, on the other hand, have nothing to do religious truth or anything else human beings (according to you) cannot explain. Other opinions could have logical foundations. Your premise is not only unproven, but impossible to prove or disprove (aka non-falsifiable), which makes it not just of little value but the least valuable an opinion could possibly be.

As a Canadian citizen you have the freedom of your opinion and the freedom to express it. Saying that your opinion is worthless has no effect on these rights and does not affect you in any way as a citizen.

Ah Grasshopper, the Lesson begins.

The only opinion lower than that, the lowest in my opinion is the belief in a Political Platform/Promises.
Politicians are born to lie.

Hope you enjoy the humor in this post.
 

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If I claim certain religions and philosophies are false does anyone listen? Does anyone care? No! So how does that threaten freedom of religion in the least?
What would you do if you got control of the government and could, with the stroke of a pen, abolish the constitutional rights to freedom of religion?

Would you justifying it with a statement of, "People don't need the government to guarantee religious freedom because people will follow whatever religion they want anyway".

And by the way, freedom is God given.
Really. And that's why in the Old Testament He gave such detailed instructions on who were valid candidates to be captured and used as slaves and how it was okay to sell daughters but not sons?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. Endowed by the CREATOR with certain inalienable rights.".
Yeah, well God didn't say that, did He? That statement came from humans. Every scrap of freedom we have had to be fought for (and we're probably going to have to do some fighting again to stop those Plutocrats on Wall Street from tanking the global economy in order to make themselves even more rich than they already are).

In case you hadn't noticed, God's been very neutral on the subject of how humans choose to hierarchicalize, subjugate, and regulate each other. When it comes to government, God's shown a definite tendency towards rolling His eyes, standing back, and watching while He sighs over how we handle *that* one.

And you should know that, because you sound like an Apocryphalist... the type who thinks that God's deliberately standing back letting humans try to govern themselves until they finally destroy themselves with an Armageddon in order to shock-and-awe themselves into letting Him be in charge.

In any case, notice how the statement says "Endowed by the CREATOR"... notice how it doesn't say which theological theory about the Creator. It's doesn't say the Jewish Creator, or the Christian Creator, or the Islamic Creator, or the Bahai Creator...

In regards to your first statement, you would have to agree with the fact that truth is absolute,
Not quite, and I think that is what's confusing you.

There's actually two kinds of "truth".

There's Relative Truth, and Absolute Truth.

Relative truth is stuff like, one person says, "Red is the most beautiful colour", when another says, "Blue is the most beautiful colour".

They're both telling the truth, but it's a Relative Truth according to the subjective perceptions of the perceiver.

Absolute Truth is stuff like 1+1=2. That's just a fact that isn't going to change regardless of what a person's subjective perceptions might be.

In your posts, you systematically confuse relative truths with absolute truths.
if you want to dig deeper into that one. Absolute truth means either God exists or he doesn't, regardless of any persons' feelings or thoughts on the subject.
That is correct... now, do you have any proof which it is?
Finally, you can call buddhism all you want. Its just another deceptive face of unbelief, one of millions of paths to a grim destiny.
Really... and how is person supposed to know that.

Suppose you find a tribe of people who've never been exposed to any organized religion, and have never been taught or told any faith. You place a copy of the Bible, the Koran, the Baghavad Ghit, and the teachings of Buddha in front of him, and tell him that one of the is "the Truth".

How's he supposed to know?

I bet the only reason you think your religion is The Absolute Truth is because you were born into it and were indoctrinated into it from an early age.

From the way you write, it sounds like you are of the FLDS denomination. Are you?

If you are, then that means your organization split from the Rocky Mountain Mormons in 1890, when polygamy was suspended, because your group wanted to keep being polygamous. The Rocky Mountain Mormons also abolished Blood Atonement (the notion that it was okay to kill someone who was getting in the way of expression of your faith, because you were actually doing them a favor and sending them to heaven by taking away their ability to corrupt the hearts and minds of the "true believers").

So, if FLDS still hold on to the notion of polygamy, does that mean they also chose to hold onto the notion of Blood Atonement? If you're FLDS your Avatar indicates you do.
"Because you hold this opinion..." You trying to tell me that I'm some sort of second class citizen?!?!? Is my opinion not equal to yours?
Not at all... just understand that it's an opinion, i.e. relative truth, and that you should therefore stop talking about it like it's absolute truth.
So let me get this straight, if Christianity is right for me, I will be with Jesus in heaven one day. And if Islam is right for Mohammad, he will be with Allah in heaven one day. And if Buddism is right for Bob...
Maybe.

Don't be surprised if on the day of judgement, the criteria isn't so much which faith you followed, but how well you followed it.
That makes no sense whatsoever. The evidence of Christianity far outweighs this man-made concoction that you didn't invent, its been around.
Really... and what evidence is that?
C'mon lone_wolf! Think about it, God, who created the universe, isn't going to share the spotlight with mortal Buddha! What kind of a God would that be?
A very tolerant one.
I can't SHOW you the proof, you have to look to GOD for the proof! Seek and you'll find brother!
What if he did seek, and didn't find your idea of God to be what's there?
There is no MY truth or YOUR truth. There's just truth.
Again, there is Relative Truth, and there's Absolute Truth. All you have to do is keep it clear in your mind which applies to what.
I'm not giving money to support buddhism! Do they give back to the community? At least churches help the poor. And don't tell me that buddhist do help the poor because I know for a fact they don't do it ON THE SCALE that Christian churches do.
Yeah they do give back to the community, and yes they do help the poor, and the only reason you don't see it ON THE SCALE is because there's not many of them around here, but if you were in Asia you'd see it the other way around.
Christianity teaches tolerance. TOLERANCE. Tolerance doesn't mean VALIDITY. It's doesn't say what's right for a man is right for a man. It doesn't say that!
Yeah, and you're really tolerant about people building their kind of temple on what is probably un-arable land.
BTW: What part of Jesus' teaching ARE YOU ignoring? Salvation perhaps?!
So you're obsessed about the Salvation aspect. Ever read the sermon on the mount, and the teachings in Mathew? Those were not about salvation via saying "Jesus is the Son of God"... they were about how to be good in the eyes of Lord in the here-and-now.
 

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Religion was developed in order to control man. Doesn't matter what religion, they all do that in some form. I am not saying religion is wrong, we really have no idea how to control ourselves.
 

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I'm not one to burst bubbles but before you guys go spouting off about the context of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution of the USA you'd first read all about the deists who wrote the ****ing things.

Start with Thomas Paine and Jefferson. Your jaws might drop and you may drool but the truth is there for all to see if you simply look.

Just because somebody uses the word "God" it doesn't mean they had the same beliefs in the same God you do.
 

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I'm not one to burst bubbles but before you guys go spouting off about the context of the Declaration of Independance and Constitution of the USA you'd first read all about the deists who wrote ther ****ing things.

Start with Thomas Paine and Jefferson. Your jaws might drop and you may drool but the truth is there for all to see if you simply look.
So winners get to write history.