More Needless Multiculturalism Problems From Immigrants

[CDNBear]

So winners get to write history.

You bet!

Ask Charlie....

 

[petros]

So winners get to write history.

If he winners never believed in the same God you do and you don't question that then all I can say is I feel sorry for you and Charlie.

 

[In Between Man]

Your premise is not only unproven, but impossible to prove or disprove (aka non-falsifiable), which makes it not just of little value but the least valuable an opinion could possibly be.

Isn't your belief that there is no god just as equally unproven and unprovable?

I'm fascinated by this idea that certain opinions are of more value than others. How much more higher above holocaust denier would you put me? Who is at the top of the list?

 

[Corduroy]

Isn't your belief that there is no god just as equally unproven and unprovable?

I'm not basing my opinion of this temple on that.

I'm fascinated by this idea that certain opinions are of more value than others. How much more higher above holocaust denier would you put me? Who is at the top of the list?

You're misunderstanding the difference between the opinion and the reasons behind the opinion. The value of an opinion is dependant on what that opinion is based on. A McDonald's employee might give you his opinion of your medical condition. A doctor would give you a more valuable opinion. A doctor who specializes in your condition would give you an even more valuable opinion. A doctor who based that opinion on test results would have a more valuable opinion than a doctor who consulted his magic eight ball, and in that last case you might even be better off asking the McDonald's employee.

When you ask who's opinion is more valuable, yours or a Holocaust denier's, you forgot to specify what the Holocaust denier bases his opinion on. If you said the Holocaust happened because you flipped a coin and heads came up, and the Holocaust denier said it didn't happen because he flipped a coin and it was tails, your opinions would be equally worthless regardless of which opinion actually reflected the truth.

If you said that an enormous Buddhist temple should not be built because Buddhism is a false religion and the Holocaust denier said it shouldn't be built because we need that land for farming purposes, the Holocaust denier's opinion would be more valuable than yours, because we can actually discuss and prove or disprove the need for farmland in that location.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

You missed the point of my post, which was that in spite of being placed in the equivalent of ghettos all of these immigrant groups (including the Chinese and Japanese who were not Block Settled) eventually merged with mainstream Canadian society. You also appear ignorant of the fact that all of these cultural groups kept a good deal of their identity. It is one of the reasons why Canada has such a varied culture compared to many other nations.

As for the population problem, you have apparently overlooked the fact that Canada's population has not declined precisely because of immigration. In other words those who predicted an aging and declining population were right; only immigration has kept it in check. Take away the several millions of immigrants that have arrived in Canada in the last few decades and Canada would suffering a population crisis exactly in the way predicted.

As I mentioned before; the only thing needed to turn any immigrant group into a part of mainstream Canadian culture is time. I am old enough to remember many East European immigrants still dressed in their traditional costumes, just as we see a few Muslim immigrants dressed in their traditional garb. Today you don't see anyone of Ukrainian or Polish descent wearing babushkas or dresses that reach down to their ankles. Likewise, many Asian and African immigrants have abandoned their traditional clothing and dress pretty much the way most Canadians do. Give immigrants one or two generations and miraculously they turn into Canadians.

Not all Chinese have assimilated, many Chinese Canadians are going to China to look for work. Canada's culture is arguably much more uniform than say Ireland or England. People from those two countries can have much different accents and only live a few miles apart from each other. Most Canadians have great dificulty telling when say a person is from Toronto when they live in Vancouver. That's a definite lack of diversity.

Instead of paying millions to a needless immigration dept, let companies take in the working people they need right now who will generally be young and have kids in Canada. Then the leftover money can be used to pay Canadian women to have a third child. Pop boom real quick.

Time will assimilate most immigrants, but size matters. The large increase of immigration over the past 20 years, at 300,000 per year, and mainly from Asia and Africa, will take longer to assimilate because they can now live in more enclaves longer. Plus they can communicate with their home countries much easier, which Ukrainians or Irish of days gone by were not able to do. This immigration wave is a little different.

 

[Corduroy]

Not all Chinese have assimilated, many Chinese Canadians are going to China to look for work. Canada's culture is arguably much more uniform than say Ireland or England. People from those two countries can have much different accents and only live a few miles apart from each other. Most Canadians have great dificulty telling when say a person is from Toronto when they live in Vancouver. That's a definite lack of diversity.

In Vancouver, I was once asked twice in the span of about 20 minutes if I was from Ontario. Just on the street, I was chatting with this girl selling music outside a coffee shop and she asked me and then not long after I was taking a picture of my friend on the corner and was asked by some random passerby. For the rest of the day I couldn't figure out what I was doing or how I was dressed that made me seem like I was from Ontario. I still don't know.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

In Vancouver, I was once asked twice in the span of about 20 minutes if I was from Ontario. Just on the street, I was chatting with this girl selling music outside a coffee shop and she asked me and then not long after I was taking a picture of my friend on the corner and was asked by some random passerby. For the rest of the day I couldn't figure out what I was doing or how I was dressed that made me seem like I was from Ontario. I still don't know.

There are some people who can tell. I was told by a neighbour, a Canadian, when she was in Australia that Aussies can tell easily if someone is from another state there. Here, it is not done so much.

It is just the way you talk, move your head etc. Very small things that hit here brain to prompt a question. But I am sure the person who asked if you were from TO visited or lived there for a while. TO is a Canadian city but different.

I was playing poker with some guys and one guy breathed like he was from Saskatchewan, and I asked him if he was from there and he said yes. I just knew. I only visited Sask and I picked up Saskatchewaness here in BC. Some are perceptive this way, others not. Travel helps.

 

[Corduroy]

OK, but the problem with my experience is that I'm not from Ontario. Lotusland born and raised

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

OK, but the problem with my experience is that I'm not from Ontario. Lotusland born and raised

I missed that part, you're not from Ont. Mistakes here are not really allowed, you have to be sure almost all the time because what you feel is genuine and strong about another person and their place of birth. You feel something that is not local, something you don't see in local people. It is very unscientific, it is cultural but real. We don't really like this in Canada because always want to be united, seeing division as weakness. Yet the majority is in the east and they dominate the country, what is seen as Canadian is often Ontarion. We have weak regions I think.