Mixed Races Gaining Ground

[Downhome_Woman]

Miscegenation, the practice of people of different "races" intermarrying is becoming more and more common world wide. In Canada, of course, this phenomenon is well known and brings possible benefits by widening the gene pool. Contrary to racist doctrine the concept of breeding "pure" races tends to lead to narrower and narrower bloodlines which can result in the perpetuation of genetic disorders. Just as importantly I expect, a society that contains large number of mixed races couples tends to be more tolerant and open minded. I could go on, but the details are in the article below, provided you have the patience to read it as it is rather long.

It's a wonderful, mixed-up world - Telegraph

LOL!!! my family has been practicing 'miscegenation' for generations - if not centuries! What a hoot! On a personal level? Jew, Arab (of course - that's just one 'race - semitic), all manifestations of Caucasian, and if my father-in-law is correct about his history, Plains Indian from Canada for my children. Big deal.
The way I figure it? If we didn't 'miscegenate' then we'd eventually be forced to breed with our own relatives and we'd end up being quivering masses of gibbering goo.
Buddy truly needs to forget about the whole 'people won't like them and I'm saving them from a life of pain' idea. Garbage.People won't like them if they're nasty, or thriftless, or dishonest - not if they have parents of different colour,. And if they are actually hated for that reason? Then he should be cracking a whip on the idiots who hate for what someone looks like and not for what they do. WHAT an idiot.

 

[Machjo]

Some international marriages can be rather challenging too. Here are a few tidbits from my experience, and I swear I'm not making any of it up.

At first, the Ethiopian, African American, and Muslim communities in Victoria were quite friendly to me, when they thought she and I were just friends. When we announced we were going to get married, the s**t hit the fan and got splashed everywhere. Many in the African American community started saying that we society wasn't ready for mixed marriages. The Muslim community started saying how it was a sin for a non-Muslim to marry a non-Muslim, and an anonymous member of the Ethiopian community, too spineless to reveal himself, revealed through a family member of hers that she was in physical danger, and this family member was convinced they meant it, so we moved out of Victoria.All this while she and her brother were still trying to explain to a refugee board in Vancouver how it is that they spoke English so well and yet claimed to have been in Canada only a few months (I guess they'd never heard of private Ethiopian lycees).

As it happened, I'd gotten a job in Charlevoix County and she registered for university in Montreal. Later, another brother of hers moved to Canada to study in high school here to prepare for university. As it turned out, unlike his other siblings, he'd gone to an American school in Ethiopia, so that caused us all kinds of bureaucratic headaches since he did not know French (yes, Bill 101 is not just theory in my life experience). And since I was his legal guardian, I quit my job, he and I moved to Ontario, I registered him to high school there (well, now 'here', since i'm back in Ontario), found us an apartment and a job for me while he went to high school. Then on on occasion I had to take time off work for us to go to Buffalo NY to renew his visas. The lady at the counter seemed a little surprised to see me as his legal guardian. And once he was of legal age to be alone, I moved back to Montreal. Unfortunately, around that time she started thinking of me as a brother (as if she didn't have enough of those) and wanted a divorce, but still expected me to stick around. Hmmm... Anyway, I gave her the ultimatum that if she divorced, I left, she didn't believe me, so she divorced, I left... in utter confusion to this very day... Women!

Anyway, to make a long story short, various social factors, and especially government laws, are not very conducive to international marriages. International marriages really do occur in spite of the law.

 

[Downhome_Woman]

I remember reading somewhere that interracial marriage is much more prevalent in Canada than it is in USA. Also, there is more acceptance of interracial marriage in Canada than there is in USA.

It's an interesting statement, but I'd like to see how it plays as an actual statistic. Are3 Canadians more prone to 'same race marriages' than Americans?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

It's an interesting statement, but I'd like to see how it plays as an actual statistic. Are3 Canadians more prone to 'same race marriages' than Americans?

No, I have read exactly the opposite, that there are more mixed race marriages here than in USA. I am not sure about the statistics, I will see if I can dig it up.

 

[Downhome_Woman]

Some international marriages can be rather challenging too. Here are a few tidbits from my experience, and I swear I'm not making any of it up.

At first, the Ethiopian, African American, and Muslim communities in Victoria were quite friendly to me, when they thought she and I were just friends. When we announced we were going to get married, the s**t hit the fan and got splashed everywhere. Many in the African American community started saying that we society wasn't ready for mixed marriages. The Muslim community started saying how it was a sin for a non-Muslim to marry a non-Muslim, and an anonymous member of the Ethiopian community, too spineless to reveal himself, revealed through a family member of hers that she was in physical danger, and this family member was convinced they meant it, so we moved out of Victoria.All this while she and her brother were still trying to explain to a refugee board in Vancouver how it is that they spoke English so well and yet claimed to have been in Canada only a few months (I guess they'd never heard of private Ethiopian lycees).

As it happened, I'd gotten a job in Charlevoix County and she registered for university in Montreal. Later, another brother of hers moved to Canada to study in high school here to prepare for university. As it turned out, unlike his other siblings, he'd gone to an American school in Ethiopia, so that caused us all kinds of bureaucratic headaches since he did not know French (yes, Bill 101 is not just theory in my life experience). And since I was his legal guardian, I quit my job, he and I moved to Ontario, I registered him to high school there (well, now 'here', since i'm back in Ontario), found us an apartment and a job for me while he went to high school. Then on on occasion I had to take time off work for us to go to Buffalo NY to renew his visas. The lady at the counter seemed a little surprised to see me as his legal guardian. And once he was of legal age to be alone, I moved back to Montreal. Unfortunately, around that time she started thinking of me as a brother (as if she didn't have enough of those) and wanted a divorce, but still expected me to stick around. Hmmm... Anyway, I gave her the ultimatum that if she divorced, I left, she didn't believe me, so she divorced, I left... in utter confusion to this very day... Women!

Anyway, to make a long story short, various social factors, and especially government laws, are not very conducive to international marriages. International marriages really do occur in spite of the law.

It sounds as if between culture and bureaucracy, you BOTH went through hell = and I'm so sorry. The combination of man, woman, family, time and government is a lethal combination. You guys never stood a chance.



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[SirJosephPorter]

Anyway, here is the link about acceptance of interracial marriage; it is much more accepted in Canada than it is in USA.

In USA, 77 % approve of marriage between blacks and whites, while in Canada, approval runs at 92%. Statistics are similar for intermarriages between other ethnic groups.

Interracial unions more accepted in Canada than U.S.: report

 

[Machjo]

Anyway, here is the link about acceptance of interracial marriage; it is much more accepted in Canada than it is in USA.

In USA, 77 % approve of marriage between blacks and whites, while in Canada, approval runs at 92%. Statistics are similar for intermarriages between other ethnic groups.

Interracial unions more accepted in Canada than U.S.: report

Who gives a flying rat's ass about where it's most prevalent or not. A more practical question might be: what laws might need to be repealed so as to make such marriages easier in Canada?

I'm sure Canada fares better than Afghanistan in terms of daily crime rates? Should we then waste our time beating our chests in pride because our crime rate is better than theirs, or discuss how we could improve ours anyway? Let's focus on the human element, shall we? Statistics are useful only when applied to problem solving, otherwise if it's just for the purpose of nationalistic chest beating, it's of no value whatsoever and even distracts from actually trying to improve things.

 

[Machjo]

Also, for the US inter-racial couple, they'll feel the effects of this marriage much more than the racially homogeneous couple in Canada will, statistics or no statistics.

 

[countryboy]

Also, for the US inter-racial couple, they'll feel the effects of this marriage much more than the racially homogeneous couple in Canada will, statistics or no statistics.

SInce when were insignificant things like "feelings" part of any discussion on marriage. Statistics, in the minds of some, are the only things that matter. Anything else is utter nonsense. :-|

 

[JLM]

Also, for the US inter-racial couple, they'll feel the effects of this marriage much more than the racially homogeneous couple in Canada will, statistics or no statistics.

Maybe this is one of those subjects that should come under the heading of mind your own business. We live by the Charter don't we?

 

[Machjo]

It sounds as if between culture and bureaucracy, you BOTH went through hell = and I'm so sorry. The combination of man, woman, family, time and government is a lethal combination. You guys never stood a chance.



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No need to be sorry. It was a valuable learning experience.

 

[Bar Sinister]

LOL!!! my family has been practicing 'miscegenation' for generations - if not centuries! What a hoot! On a personal level? Jew, Arab (of course - that's just one 'race - semitic), all manifestations of Caucasian, and if my father-in-law is correct about his history, Plains Indian from Canada for my children. Big deal.
The way I figure it? If we didn't 'miscegenate' then we'd eventually be forced to breed with our own relatives and we'd end up being quivering masses of gibbering goo.

Historically for most of human existence breeding with relatives was the norm. It has really only been in the last century and this one that cross cultural marriages and the intermarriage of strangers has become widespread. In some parts of the world this practice continues with various cousins intermarrying.

 

[Machjo]

SInce when were insignificant things like "feelings" part of any discussion on marriage. Statistics, in the minds of some, are the only things that matter. Anything else is utter nonsense. :-|

That's reassuring. Never mind that feelings have contributed the spark to murders or, on a larger scale, civil wars or even wars. But hey, that's just insignificant gobbledygook. We need to focus on important things like statistics. Like Uncle Joe Stalin once said:

"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic."

 

[AnnaG]

Anyway, here is the link about acceptance of interracial marriage; it is much more accepted in Canada than it is in USA.

In USA, 77 % approve of marriage between blacks and whites, while in Canada, approval runs at 92%. Statistics are similar for intermarriages between other ethnic groups.

Interracial unions more accepted in Canada than U.S.: report

Acceptance of it is not the same as the numbers of "inter-racial" marriages, though, which is what I thought you were going to research.

NVMD, I found some info:

Canada (4% of "unions" as of 2006); Interracial relationships rise 30 per cent in five years - The Globe and Mail

USA (7% of "unions" as of 2005); Interracial marriage flourishes in U.S. - Race & ethnicity- msnbc.com

Wiki has a pile of info: Interracial marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Johnnny]

Historically for most of human existence breeding with relatives was the norm. It has really only been in the last century and this one that cross cultural marriages and the intermarriage of strangers has become widespread. In some parts of the world this practice continues with various cousins intermarrying.

mixing is alright, if we didnt we might all look like the creature in your avatar:angry3:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Who gives a flying rat's ass about where it's most prevalent or not. A more practical question might be: what laws might need to be repealed so as to make such marriages easier in Canada?

Why would we need to repeal any laws, Machjo? We don't have any laws on the statue book to make interracial marriage difficult. And even if there are some outmoded laws, you can be sure that they all became invalid after we adopted the Charter.

I'm sure Canada fares better than Afghanistan in terms of daily crime rates? Should we then waste our time beating our chests in pride because our crime rate is better than theirs, or discuss how we could improve ours anyway?

Well, maybe not to you, but to me, it is gratifying that acceptance of interracial marriage is so high in Canada, higher than south of the border. If we are going to solve any problem, we first must know where we are in relation to the problem. That is where statistics are important. As for interracial marriage, statistics tell us that we really don't need to do much more (92% acceptance), the tiny pockets of racism will probably disappear in a generation or so.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Also, for the US inter-racial couple, they'll feel the effects of this marriage much more than the racially homogeneous couple in Canada will, statistics or no statistics.

That doesn't make sense. You are comparing interracial couples in USA with racially homogeneous couples in Canada? Why? That is comparing apples with oranges.

 

[AnnaG]

mixing is alright, if we didnt we might all look like the creature in your avatar:angry3:

If we all had blue skin, then there'd be that much less bigotry.
Personally I'd like this guy's kinda skin:

 

[Risus]

Personally I think its sad that 'pure' races are on a decline, and I'm not saying that as a racist, because I am not.

 

[EagleSmack]

Personally I think its sad that 'pure' races are on a decline, and I'm not saying that as a racist, because I am not.

LOL...Ok...got you loud and clear.